Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile”

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I believe the majority of conspiracy theories

3% (1)

Don''t believe the majority of theories/MULT. CHOICE

12% (4)

Think it was strictly Islamic terrorists

21% (7)

Poor pre-intelligence, but not deliberate

12% (4)

The terrorist/sympathizers may float these ideas

9% (3)

The theorists have too much time on their hands

9% (3)

I believe the US Govt. was involved

3% (1)

Osama Bin Laden was the 1

12% (4)

The theory people are aiding our enemies

15% (5)

Other/ Explain

0% (0)

Total Votes : 32

(last vote on : 1/24/2008 12:21:24 PM)
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brooklynsblessed1 -> Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (8/28/2007 1:41:51 AM)
quote: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” in its own footprint? What about the claim that only a controlled demolition could cause building 7 to fall into such a “tidy” pile? This comes up often, and it’s wrong in several ways. First, it’s wrong to say that this claim describes a “con-trolled demolition.” That’s the term CTs use, and it’s inappropriate. A true controlled demolition is done to minimize damage to surrounding structures. Next, here’s the “tidy pile” created by the collapse of WTC 7: PHOTOS: http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/didwtc7fallintoa%E2%80%9Ctidypile%E2%80%9Dinitsownfootpr As a NYER I contest a previous twisting of a poll that 66% of my fellow citizens believe in a conspiracy. I have spoken to 100s, been side by side w/ NYPD-FD-Families @ a memorial, w/ the NYPD shortly thereafter in a rally for better pay for 1st responders, tune in or read NY media daily & in my circle of associates to a core-100% have NEVER brought up a conspiracy. These kooky theories may very well be backed by terrorists and their sympathizers to take the focus off of them.

RingsofSaturn -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (8/29/2007 7:55:13 PM)
I have seen a lot in my day....from magic tricks to people decieving one another with a variety of lies and deception. The mind is a wondrous source but can be used to create ways of deception. I'd like for someone to explain to me how these facts are simply coincicence: 1. Operation Northwoods 2. PNAC 3. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld give NEW orders for NARAD to stand down on any stray aircraft. This 6 months prior to 9/11. 4. Cheney is conducting war games with hijacked planes, the morning of Sept 11. 5. That despite OBVIOUS facts of virtually no damage and small fires, Building 7 collapses. That coincidentally, it goes down like a Con. Demo. 6. That there is NO video footage from the dozens of cameras at the Pentagon, of that attack. These are all just coincidence?

RingsofSaturn -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (8/29/2007 8:10:29 PM)
Looked at the baove link and other articles that they had... They DO have some excellent explainations and info about the Truth Movements claims, but unfortuanatley most of them and the entire site cannot be trusted? Why? Because it mostly sites ALL Govt agencies and personell as their source. Like we are supposed to believe them? Thats like having Fox news give an "Unbiased report on Bush" The Govt cannot police itself...

brooklynsblessed1 -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (9/23/2007 8:19:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn Looked at the baove link and other articles that they had... They DO have some excellent explainations and info about the Truth Movements claims, but unfortuanatley most of them and the entire site cannot be trusted? Why? Because it mostly sites ALL Govt agencies and personell as their source. Like we are supposed to believe them? Thats like having Fox news give an "Unbiased report on Bush" The Govt cannot police itself... Fox news in general (maybe not always) shows Bush as is, warts & all. But have you ever witnessed Geraldo Rivera's disgusting defense of illegal lawbreakers, a drunk diver illegal that took human life or his apparent defense of Iran's little creep???? But as to WTC & all of the nutty websites all I can see & I'm admittingly not going to spend over a 1000 hours researching that pablam---is no hard evidence. As a NYer, who has interacted w/ 100s of my fellow citizens I haven't ran into "1" that believed Rosie O'Donnell & other nuts out there re: these conspiracies. And although we have moderate republican mayors, we have a very leftist city council, led by a militant lesbian---why do you think NY has had no hearings re: conspiracy possibilities??? Why--------- because overall I don't think we buy it!

RingsofSaturn -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (9/24/2007 2:18:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brooklynsblessed1 quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn Looked at the baove link and other articles that they had... They DO have some excellent explainations and info about the Truth Movements claims, but unfortuanatley most of them and the entire site cannot be trusted? Why? Because it mostly sites ALL Govt agencies and personell as their source. Like we are supposed to believe them? Thats like having Fox news give an "Unbiased report on Bush" The Govt cannot police itself... Fox news in general (maybe not always) shows Bush as is, warts & all. But have you ever witnessed Geraldo Rivera's disgusting defense of illegal lawbreakers, a drunk diver illegal that took human life or his apparent defense of Iran's little creep???? But as to WTC & all of the nutty websites all I can see & I'm admittingly not going to spend over a 1000 hours researching that pablam---is no hard evidence. As a NYer, who has interacted w/ 100s of my fellow citizens I haven't ran into "1" that believed Rosie O'Donnell & other nuts out there re: these conspiracies. And although we have moderate republican mayors, we have a very leftist city council, led by a militant lesbian---why do you think NY has had no hearings re: conspiracy possibilities??? Why--------- because overall I don't think we buy it! Fox news is run by Rupert Murdock...one of the largest media moguls in th USA AND the world. Anything that comes from him can't be trusted.....and he's part of the CFR. Besides all that, Bushs cousin is a big wheel at Fox....its totaaly biased toward Bush and REPS. Other biased news....its everywhere....its how they mess with us. Hearings? Please...the Govt controls everything...it has for decades... Do yourself a favor and study the Council for Foreign Relations and its members. Then tell me that there's not soemthing very wrong with our Govt. You'd be in denial if you did...

EverLearning -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (9/25/2007 7:14:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn ...and he's part of the CFR. Please...the Govt controls everything...it has for decades... Isn't it convenient to feel that you can disarm any question and not have to give an answer by attaching the opposing arguement to the CFR. Then if that isn't enough just to be on the safe side you can just attempt to discredit everything by claiming that the government is in charge of it all and therefore EVERY piece of evidence provided against your point of view is useless. You show the true weakness of your arguements when your only methods of response to others rebuttals is "but they are CFR" or "the gevernment is in charge of it". Your assertions that everyone elses arguements are simply goevernment spread CFR untruths is a convenient way of not having to actually make a useful counter arguement. Keep up the good work.

WanServ -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (9/28/2007 1:43:30 PM)
Hi, BrooklynBlessed1. In response to your rhetorical question. I give this answer: God created G-R-A-V-I-T-Y. Funny thing...None of the conspirators who believe the nonsense about 'controlled demolition' have valid college degrees in physics, civil engineering, etc. And, like you, brother, I have visited the WTC site. My first visit to Manhattan came this past July. Loved it! (Yes, I did pop over to Brooklyn, and walked back to Manhattan.) And the collapse of the Twin Towers was not 100 percent neat. One smaller building nearby had heavy debris crash down on it, causing that multistory building to collapse later that terrible day. And then there's the nearby Deutsche Bank Bldg. It didn't escape unscathed. I saw the deconstruction work being carried out on it...I wonder how much asbestos I inhaled? Jacob Samorodin

RingsofSaturn -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (10/1/2007 11:08:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EverLearning quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn ...and he's part of the CFR. Please...the Govt controls everything...it has for decades... Isn't it convenient to feel that you can disarm any question and not have to give an answer by attaching the opposing arguement to the CFR. Then if that isn't enough just to be on the safe side you can just attempt to discredit everything by claiming that the government is in charge of it all and therefore EVERY piece of evidence provided against your point of view is useless. You show the true weakness of your arguements when your only methods of response to others rebuttals is "but they are CFR" or "the gevernment is in charge of it". Your assertions that everyone elses arguements are simply goevernment spread CFR untruths is a convenient way of not having to actually make a useful counter arguement. Keep up the good work. Not even close. I don't cop out and spin CTs to get out of logical explanations. But, I'm not going to trust Fox news. Good grief a complete idiot can tell they're beyond biased. Look, there are facts and there are trends. Its a fact that Globalists are deep within our Govt....in think tanks like the CFR and Tri-lateral commission. The higher ups....guys like Kissinger, Haass and Rockefeller ADMIT, totally admit that they are working to bring about the NWO. Rockefeller admits that he has been working SECRETLY with the US Govt to bring it. Fact! Do some research. JP Morgan maniuplated and BOUGHT the media to spin his ideas and line his pockets. That was 100 years ago. Think it don't happen today? Don't be like the average scofer who can't even look up soemthing, yet they scoff and don't even know what day it is. At least look it up and know what you're talking about before you call someone a loon. Loons like us have been known to be right.....Thomas Jefferson is a good example...

RingsofSaturn -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (10/1/2007 11:10:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WanServ Hi, BrooklynBlessed1. In response to your rhetorical question. I give this answer: God created G-R-A-V-I-T-Y. Funny thing...None of the conspirators who believe the nonsense about 'controlled demolition' have valid college degrees in physics, civil engineering, etc. And, like you, brother, I have visited the WTC site. My first visit to Manhattan came this past July. Loved it! (Yes, I did pop over to Brooklyn, and walked back to Manhattan.) And the collapse of the Twin Towers was not 100 percent neat. One smaller building nearby had heavy debris crash down on it, causing that multistory building to collapse later that terrible day. And then there's the nearby Deutsche Bank Bldg. It didn't escape unscathed. I saw the deconstruction work being carried out on it...I wonder how much asbestos I inhaled? Jacob Samorodin Dozens of 911 Truthers DO HAVE degrees in engineering, physics and other credible educational backgrounds. The overall community IS educated people, who question the events of 911, based on their expert knowledge. It was neat enough...along with Bld 7, to call it into question. this with 50-100 other odd coincidences and anomolies.....questions need to be asked. Its our duty and patriotic to do so. Especially given the past history of the country...

EverLearning -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (10/2/2007 6:47:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn Don't be like the average scofer who can't even look up soemthing, yet they scoff and don't even know what day it is. At least look it up and know what you're talking about before you call someone a loon. Got a piece of advice for you, don't judge people via the internet. I lived with a guy for 4 years that reminds me of you (at least the internet you) and we debated issues such as this into the ground. I have taken my licks in this debate long before i came here. And none of that changes the FACT that you do use the CFRillumiTRIlaterSkullandNWOFreemasons route out of difficult spots and you do it ALOT. You dismiss counter arguements as being cooked up by these world dominating organizations instead of addressing the counters.

RingsofSaturn -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (10/7/2007 2:11:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EverLearning quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn Don't be like the average scofer who can't even look up soemthing, yet they scoff and don't even know what day it is. At least look it up and know what you're talking about before you call someone a loon. Got a piece of advice for you, don't judge people via the internet. I lived with a guy for 4 years that reminds me of you (at least the internet you) and we debated issues such as this into the ground. I have taken my licks in this debate long before i came here. And none of that changes the FACT that you do use the CFRillumiTRIlaterSkullandNWOFreemasons route out of difficult spots and you do it ALOT. You dismiss counter arguements as being cooked up by these world dominating organizations instead of addressing the counters. Not even close.... Facts are facts...and when the very men and Govt in question admit to things, it cannot be denied. Nor can the sources that they control be trusted... I'm not a conspiracy theorist who dismisses everything thrown my way and/or blames everything on the Masons or some other lame excuse... I'm just an educated skeptic...

EverLearning -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (10/7/2007 8:54:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn quote: ORIGINAL: EverLearning quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn Don't be like the average scofer who can't even look up soemthing, yet they scoff and don't even know what day it is. At least look it up and know what you're talking about before you call someone a loon. Got a piece of advice for you, don't judge people via the internet. I lived with a guy for 4 years that reminds me of you (at least the internet you) and we debated issues such as this into the ground. I have taken my licks in this debate long before i came here. And none of that changes the FACT that you do use the CFRillumiTRIlaterSkullandNWOFreemasons route out of difficult spots and you do it ALOT. You dismiss counter arguements as being cooked up by these world dominating organizations instead of addressing the counters. Not even close.... Facts are facts...and when the very men and Govt in question admit to things, it cannot be denied. Nor can the sources that they control be trusted... I'm not a conspiracy theorist who dismisses everything thrown my way and/or blames everything on the Masons or some other lame excuse... I'm just an educated skeptic... You even used world dominating groups in your explanation to me above about how you don't use world dominating groups to explain away counter arguements.

RingsofSaturn -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (10/7/2007 11:24:16 AM)
lol...yeah right. I said I DON'T do as you say i do... Read my posts, you'll find out... BTW- David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger say hi...

EverLearning -> RE: Did WTC 7 fall into a “tidy pile” (10/8/2007 8:24:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RingsofSaturn lol...yeah right. I said I DON'T do as you say i do... Read my posts, you'll find out... BTW- David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger say hi... Over and again you say that you don't use the world domination organizations as your proof then proceed in the same post to use them as your proof. So although you say that you don't do it you in fact do.

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