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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 2:58:43 PM
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turretinfan
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The Bible says you are robots of Satan before God interneves.
As much as I agree with you on a lot of things, No, it does not say that.
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 2:58:57 PM
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Well said Turretin.
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 2:59:17 PM
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NewinChrist
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He foretold it was going to happen.. so according to you.. He is making it happen..
Think about this NIC. We are speaking of God almighty here who created the heavens and the earth. Who by grace is giving you every breath you take, every beat of your heart........think NIC who God is and what he is capable of doing or not doing............
Oh, I thought that we were speaking about Peter Pan.. sorry.. my bad.. 
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:01:17 PM
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Chief
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What I do not agree with is that He recreates them so that they willingly believe.. they willingly believe because of the love and grace of God given to them through His beloved Son as revealed through the gospel of God.. and they trust in Him for the forgiveness of their sin.. You got it all wrong NIC.
An unrecreated person will not even start to see the light because he has unrecreated heart, eyes and ears. He will not even begin to see the beauty of God's love and grace. His appreciation of such things are still veiled by the old nature and his understanding of such things are superficial.
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:03:08 PM
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NewinChrist
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What I do not agree with is that He recreates them so that they willingly believe.. they willingly believe because of the love and grace of God given to them through His beloved Son as revealed through the gospel of God.. and they trust in Him for the forgiveness of their sin.. You got it all wrong NIC.
An unrecreated person will not even start to see the light because he has unrecreated heart, eyes and ears. He will not even begin to see the beauty of God's love and grace. His appreciation of such things are still veiled by the old nature and his understanding of such things are superficial.
So your Saviour has not won your heart and your affections.. he has simply programmed that for you..
Go with it Chief..
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:04:34 PM
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NewinChrist
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He foretold it was going to happen.. so according to you.. He is making it happen..
Think about this NIC. We are speaking of God almighty here who created the heavens and the earth. Who by grace is giving you every breath you take, every beat of your heart........think NIC who God is and what he is capable of doing or not doing............
Oh, I thought that we were speaking about Peter Pan.. sorry.. my bad..
ya gotta admit this was pretty funny.. can I get a lol from you guys or what..? Of course my kids think all my jokes are pretty bad... but hey..I'm tryin here..
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:05:12 PM
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Chief
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OK, so the gospel is only for those who He has already allowed to believe... ? Allowed to believe? No it is much stronger than that..."purposefully worked in to believe".
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:06:28 PM
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NewinChrist
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OK, so the gospel is only for those who He has already allowed to believe... ? Allowed to believe? No it is much stronger than that..."purposefully worked in to believe".
Oh, now I get it..
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:06:53 PM
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So your Saviour has not won your heart and your affections.. he has simply programmed that for you.. He won my heart. BTW, the old heart was a bad one and it was a no win situation.
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:07:58 PM
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OK, so the gospel is only for those who He has already allowed to believe... ? Allowed to believe? No it is much stronger than that..."purposefully worked in to believe".
Oh, now I get it..
What do you mean, you get it?
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:08:44 PM
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NewinChrist
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OK, so the gospel is only for those who He has already allowed to believe... ? Allowed to believe? No it is much stronger than that..."purposefully worked in to believe".
So the ones He tells to not harden their hearts if they hear His voice.. it's not His purpose yet for them to believe.. ?
Is that it..?
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:10:10 PM
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So your Saviour has not won your heart and your affections.. he has simply programmed that for you.. He won my heart. BTW, the old heart was a bad one and it was a no win situation.
Nothing a few lines of code couldn't handle 'ey.. 
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:12:18 PM
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Chief
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So your Saviour has not won your heart and your affections.. he has simply programmed that for you.. He won my heart. BTW, the old heart was a bad one and it was a no win situation.
Nothing a few lines of code couldn't handle 'ey..
Come again?
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:13:22 PM
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Chief
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OK, so the gospel is only for those who He has already allowed to believe... ? Allowed to believe? No it is much stronger than that..."purposefully worked in to believe".
So the ones He tells to not harden their hearts if they hear His voice.. it's not His purpose yet for them to believe.. ?
Is that it..?
Can you clarify that?
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:13:31 PM
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NewinChrist
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So your Saviour has not won your heart and your affections.. he has simply programmed that for you.. He won my heart. BTW, the old heart was a bad one and it was a no win situation.
Nothing a few lines of code couldn't handle 'ey..
Come again?
Ever take any computer programming classes Chief.. ? If not, then forget it..
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:14:27 PM
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Chief
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BTW, NIC, how did God win your heart?
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:15:51 PM
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Chief
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So your Saviour has not won your heart and your affections.. he has simply programmed that for you.. He won my heart. BTW, the old heart was a bad one and it was a no win situation.
Nothing a few lines of code couldn't handle 'ey..
Come again?
Ever take any computer programming classes Chief.. ? If not, then forget it..
explain further...
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:17:53 PM
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NewinChrist
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BTW, NIC, how did God win your heart?
Through the love, grace, and truth of His Son !
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:18:14 PM
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Chief
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Nothing a few lines of code couldn't handle 'ey..
Come again?
NIC seems to find it amusing to suggest that the Potter causes things to come to pass by such a mundane means as computer code as opposed to by the much more complex means of wills.
-Turretinfan
Sorry...my computer skills are shot. I am honestly not a computer code guy know what the implications are in that statement. Nice try Francis, it just did not work for me.
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:19:19 PM
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NewinChrist
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Ever hear of the gospel.. ?
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:22:21 PM
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Chief
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BTW, NIC, how did God win your heart?
Through the love, grace, and truth of His Son !
How did God win your heart through the love, grace and truth of His Son?
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:23:21 PM
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Chief
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Ever hear of the gospel.. ?
Why do you ask?
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:24:07 PM
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NewinChrist
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BTW, NIC, how did God win your heart?
Through the love, grace, and truth of His Son !
How did God win your heart through the love, grace and truth of His Son?
He allowed me to believe in Him and then I was all set..
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RE: Calvinism - One Stop Thread - 7/7/2005 3:24:35 PM
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Chief
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BTW, NIC, how did God win your heart?
Through the love, grace, and truth of His Son !
How did God win your heart through the love, grace and truth of His Son?
He allowed me to believe in Him and then I was all set..
So you were not allowed before?
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This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.- Saul of Tarsus
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