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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/19/2007 12:57:54 PM
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mm80
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It's not so much breathy as it is a different way of vibrating vocal chords, which is the technique he uses (and most bass singers) use to sing low notes.
It's the same sort of technical thing as when a tenor employs head voice; he uses a different vocal technique for a different register, and by the time he is a professional he has spent so much time switching between registers that the transition is inaudible to any except a highly trained ear.
Then by your own admission, based on the dictionary's definition, that Tim Riley does not use the vocal fry technique. ???
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/19/2007 1:11:21 PM
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Mike Holcomb is one guy that can sing entire verses at rock-bottom ranges. I don't think you're gonna get lower right now that he and David Hester. Tim Riley (down to a certain point) is about the fullest, IMO, and Jeff Chapman sounds much like him. Eric Bennett probably has the nicest range. He can sing high, he can sing low, and does it all very well.
As a bass singer myself, does anybody have any (English) tips for increasing the richness/vocal quality of the lower register notes? I can hit a low range, but I have trouble with consistency. Sure, I use lemon juice to clear my throat now, but how do you hit the same notes you roll out bed singing that you need to sing in the studio or onstage?
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/19/2007 1:31:02 PM
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We used to call that bass falsetto. If you can hit it right, you almost have no bottom limit to your range. Even I went off the bottom of the keyboard a couple of times way back when.....
Pitch control and tonality come from a <LOT> of practice.
That is a good way of putting it, I think.
I'd love to be able to figure out how to do that. I'm a tenor/lead, so I don't usually practice in that range. But maybe it is worth a try! :)
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/19/2007 1:31:05 PM
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Mike Holcomb is one guy that can sing entire verses at rock-bottom ranges. I don't think you're gonna get lower right now that he and David Hester. Tim Riley (down to a certain point) is about the fullest, IMO, and Jeff Chapman sounds much like him. Eric Bennett probably has the nicest range. He can sing high, he can sing low, and does it all very well.
Brother, you have hit the nail on the head and took the words right off the tips of my fingers!
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/19/2007 1:35:43 PM
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It's the same sort of technical thing as when a tenor employs head voice; he uses a different vocal technique for a different register, and by the time he is a professional he has spent so much time switching between registers that the transition is inaudible to any except a highly trained ear.
Well, I am not arguing about Tim Riley anymore...the man sings the notes unlike most basses that "try" to sing in that range!
As for the "tenor head voice" or what normal people "falsetto" - yes it is the a similar concept to a "growl" for a bass singer. I am not buying the fancy terms you come up with. "Head voice" refers to the placement of the vocal in the head rather than the throat, which rounds over the tone...has little to do with how the vocal chords vibrate. BTW - that switching between registers is called a "flip" - its okay to say that word and not explain around it.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/19/2007 1:49:00 PM
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Mike Holcomb is one guy that can sing entire verses at rock-bottom ranges. I don't think you're gonna get lower right now that he and David Hester. Tim Riley (down to a certain point) is about the fullest, IMO, and Jeff Chapman sounds much like him. Eric Bennett probably has the nicest range. He can sing high, he can sing low, and does it all very well.
As a bass singer myself, does anybody have any (English) tips for increasing the richness/vocal quality of the lower register notes? I can hit a low range, but I have trouble with consistency. Sure, I use lemon juice to clear my throat now, but how do you hit the same notes you roll out bed singing that you need to sing in the studio or onstage?
I would think (from my experience) that the quality of the lower note singing is something that has to be 'maintained', once achieved.
I don't recommend this if you sing other parts because of the vocal strain that it will have on your ability to hit higher (lead notes) but I believe that most males can lower their range significantly by slow but consistant practice at singing along with good bass singers.
I am a natural baritone voice but by singing and pushing my range while listening to Chief and JD in the early 70's,everyday,,, I could push about 2 notes lower a month. Again,,,,I don't recommend this. I had an insane desire to sing low,coarse bass. I would push myself untill hoarse. And rest a half day or so and right back at it.
For the 3rd time,,,,I don't recommend this.
Once recuperated,I could barely reach those notes and would stay there until my vocal cords adjusted and developed control of the new range.
I quit when I could hit the lowest F, and this is what makes me think that tens of thousands of natural baritones could do the same and lower.
NOW,,,,IF ANY VOCAL INSTRUCTORS ARE READING  ,,,,YEAH IT WAS DUMB. 
As far as english tips with low notes, 'deliberate' pronunciation of words and relaxing the vocal chords works for me.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/19/2007 1:52:42 PM
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Paul David Kennamer, and Tim Storms are what i would call Vocal Fry.......
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/19/2007 1:53:21 PM
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Okay.
We determined that Mike Holcomb is the lowest, so I agree...we are through!
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/20/2007 8:53:21 AM
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Okay.
Okay to what.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/20/2007 8:55:51 AM
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It's the same sort of technical thing as when a tenor employs head voice; he uses a different vocal technique for a different register, and by the time he is a professional he has spent so much time switching between registers that the transition is inaudible to any except a highly trained ear.
Well, I am not arguing about Tim Riley anymore...the man sings the notes unlike most basses that "try" to sing in that range!
As for the "tenor head voice" or what normal people "falsetto" - yes it is the a similar concept to a "growl" for a bass singer. I am not buying the fancy terms you come up with. "Head voice" refers to the placement of the vocal in the head rather than the throat, which rounds over the tone...has little to do with how the vocal chords vibrate. BTW - that switching between registers is called a "flip" - its okay to say that word and not explain around it.
GAyoungbass, you don't have to argue about Tim because what you stated is exactly the truth despite what the Dr. says.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/20/2007 9:19:47 AM
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Most of the bass singers that have been mentioned deserve to be on this list but as far as night after night hitting the low notes I would have to go with David Hester. We sang with the Dove Brothers last night and David is unreal and very solid. You should have heard him sing Walk that lonsome road. JD was good but he had nothing on this man.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/22/2007 9:32:47 AM
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Actually Tim Storms IS the lowest and that is attested by the Guiness World Book.... check it out.
He uses vocal fry....
I 'think' that Mike Holcolmb uses it as well in some of his lower notes....
Listen to 'Rocked on the Deep' that he sings with Greater Vision.... starting around 1:55... 'I' can do it using vocal fry.....
Listen to the link I submitted earlier with Tim Riley singing "God's Building a Church" I am almost 'positive' that is chest voice...
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/22/2007 9:36:22 AM
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Listen to the link I submitted earlier with Tim Riley singing "God's Building a Church" I am almost 'positive' that is chest voice...
I think he's using some sort of a combination.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/22/2007 9:43:24 AM
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Sorry if I sound ignorant but someone please explain 'vocal fry'. Thanks.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/22/2007 2:56:35 PM
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I think Christian has clarity and control (nearly) matching Riley's, except for when he went for that one super-low note.
That one's easy--Mike Holcomb has recorded a double low C (on live projects), I think, and the other two haven't recorded that yet.
We'll just have to disagree on the clarity and control...he is no where in the same league as Riley and other veteran bass singers...for that matter the times I have heard him, he was somewhat pitchy and went for notes he couldn't hit.
On Mike Holcomb...that is the answer to the original topic then...thanks for clarifying that!
These type of threads always amuse me. Who's the lowest? Who's the highest? Who's the...... The answer is always subjective.
As for Christian Davis, he has never claimed nor attempted to be the lowest bass singer. He is a very exceptional bass who blends well with the other parts. Christian has perfect pitch and is cetainly not known to be a pitchy singer. I don't know anything about GAyoungbass but it sounds as if he thinks pretty highly of himself. I am sure Christian would be kind in his public critique of GAyoungbass (should he ever have the opportunity to hear him sing) because Christian is a humble, gifted young man who always seeks to build up young singers. In other words, he remembers from whence he came (a young bass singer formerly from Georgia) .
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/22/2007 3:21:32 PM
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Christian has perfect pitch and is cetainly not known to be a pitchy singer.
That is fascinating! Now I know who to ask if I'm wondering after a Mercy's Mark concert what note someone had hit!
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/23/2007 10:18:31 AM
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I don't have any of their recordings but have heard them in person and was wondering if The Gospel Harmony Boys former bass singer Will Adkins should be mentioned in this thread. Don't know how low he could sing but he hit some very low notes very solid. Anyone remember him?
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/23/2007 3:28:47 PM
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Christian has perfect pitch and is cetainly not known to be a pitchy singer.
That is fascinating! Now I know who to ask if I'm wondering after a Mercy's Mark concert what note someone had hit!
Yeah, when I read that about perfect pitch I wondered if he was referring to pitch recognition ("perfect pitch") or saying that he sings on pitch perfectly all the time. If he truly has "perfect pitch", that is cool and a great thing to know...if not, then I will have to say that no singer sings perfectly on pitch all the time.
BTW, "Christian's Dad" before you get defensive you should read back and see that I complimented Christian's singing ability in my postings. I did say that I have heard him go for notes he didn't hit and be pitchy at times...all singers have this problem at some point - I have heard veteran bass singers and tenor singers go for notes they didn't hit. BTW - I don't think highly of myself...I am a bass singer myself and Christian probably consistently has a just as good (or better) low range and control than I do...my singing ability was not the topic of discussion here, though.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/23/2007 4:46:20 PM
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Thought ya'll may find this interesting ,also...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzafJqw0xHw
the only ones on here that are not growls or vocal frys are the are the C2's at the beginning. All the clips below C2 are growl tones...I have heard Riley hit lower full-voice notes. It is quite amazing the tones that Tim Storms hits at the end...I do like the tone quality of the Russian bass, though.
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