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bobservations -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/14/2005 12:00:32 PM)
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ORIGINAL: BrotherEldon
Are Sabbath keepers "Legalizers"?? Surely they are.
Are those who do not "Commit murder" legalizers?
Are those who "honor father and mother" legalizers?
The answer is no to both questions. They are part of the Royal Law, Love. Moral laws are forever.
The Answer could be YES OR NO...
If you attempt to be justified by your obedience, then you are a legalizer.. If you attempt to "keep" the Sabbath you are a legalizer
If you simply Trust in GOD for justification, and obey because you love and respect GOD, then you are not.... Right, obey the Royal Law, and that would be Love for God and Love for our fellow man.
The 4th commandment was ritual law. The other 9 are moral. Moral laws are forever. Old Testament ritual ones faded away. Funny though, according to you the meat laws are still in effect. Wonder why? Isaiah 65 and 66 say some strange things, so I don't buy that as a reason.
I think that "Sunday Keepers" are more Phariseeical than Sabbath keepers... Seeing how they ignore the Command of GOD and keep a tradition of man in its place. Maybe you shouldn't think. It is getting you into a terrible mess. Anyway what is the basis for your thought? I have Col. 2:13 on my side. No tradition there. The Old faded away at the Cross. Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant, all 613 of them including the Sabbath.
Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men...
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Correct me if I am wrong, but He was talking to some Pharisses and some teachers. They had whole books full of added laws that they were teaching. Nothing but tradition. How can you apply those verses to NT Christians? This is just another example of mind control. You have let others tell you these things and you just mimick them to others. Why not try studying for youself. At least check out what others are teaching. Maybe you aren't really the remnant you so loudly boast of being.
I love to defend the Sabbath :-) And I love to defend the truth about Sabbath '"keeping".[;)][;)][;)]
First I have the 10 Commandments on my side. Then that would make you a scantimonious Jew living before Christ came as Savior.
For most lovers of God we must only turn to the twentieth chapter of Exodus to prove that it is right to keep the Sabbath of the bible. But for some theology has lead them to dismiss the very words written by the finger of God, and spoken from his lips as if they were like the words of men. It was written by the finger of God for the Jews. God never intended it to be for all men. If He had He would have instructed the Jews to "go ye into all the World". Jesus only has made that a requirement for Christians. We are to spread the Good News. and included in the Good News is that Jews are no longer under the Law.
Then I offer a short look at the history of the Sabbath from the death of Christ, to the death of the Apostles, which begins like so:
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Here it is showed that after the death of Christ, his disciples kept the Sabbath according to the Commandment of GOD. As we read the accounts of the four gospels we do not find one instance of Christ teaching his disciples that the Sabbath was abolished, or that it should not be observed, but rather he taught them to do only that which was lawful. If Christ did not teach them that the Sabbath was abolished or replaced before he died, then he did not do it at all, for the New Testament was put in force at his death, never to be altered (Hebrews 9:16-17, Galatians 3:15). He did teach that the Law would be fulfilledwhen all was accomplished. He accomplished it on the Cross and resurrection. They rested in respect for the Law. Christ had not yet accomplished all. The resurrection had not taken place yet.
Gal. 3:15 is telling us that the Covenant cannot be altered and the Covenant doesn't say anything about "keeping" Sabbath. So why are you Sabbath entushusiasts trying to do it?
PENTECOST
There were three thousand men added to the Church of God on that day 2000 years ago. What kind of men were these? They were NT Christians after they heard the word and believed.
Acts 2:5 ¶ And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
They all were Jews, in fact for the first 10 years after Christ’s ascension, the church was made up of nothing but Sabbath keeping Jews. Wow, is this scriptural?
How did the converted Jews (Messianic Jew) feel about the 10 Commandments? And the ordinances of the law?
Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Come on now Bro, you didn't finish the thought. You are taking scripture out of context. That is naughty when debating. You should get 10 lashes with a wet noodle for that one.
The Jewish believers, which included the Apostles themselves, were zealous over the law of GOD. Not only the 10 commandments, but they also continued in the ordinances of Moses. You can read the whole history of the Apostles’ work after Christ’s ascension and not once were they ever accused of breaking the Sabbath. The Lord had taught the Apostles to do only that which was lawful on the 7th day. And it is clear that they respected and kept the Sabbath for the whole of their life. Wow again, this simply is not the truth. Maybe you are remembering something from Mrs. White. I don't believe her either. The only rule I go by is if it isn't from the Bible it is under suspicion.
These men who accepted Christ on that day, soon returned to their homes in all of these foreign countries, there they shared Christ with their loved ones, and home churches were formed. What kind of home churches? Sabbath keeping home churches. Do tell. Lets see, where do we find this in the Bible?
I can go on with this :-) And no doubt that I will... I will prove to those with eyes to see and ears to hear that the Sabbath was not abolished by Christ, but forbidden by the Roman Gov. and the Roman Church in the fourth century. Sounds like SDA talk to me
Churches up to that point observed Sabbath,, and a remnant has survived even to this day. You are certainly indoctrinated with Ellen. She even saw a "halo" around the Sabbath Commandment, making it more important that any of the remainder. I bet being a part of the Sabbath keeping remnant is very comforting to you. It doesn't do a thing for me. Maybe because I know that it is all a sham.
If you TRULY WANT TRUTH, then sincerely pray to GOD and ask him if it is right or wrong to keep Sabbath... No doubt he will answer: "If you love me, Keep my Commandments"... Atleast those are the words he spoke to me many years ago when I prayed over this issue. Well Bro, we should test the scriptures to know who is really speaking to us. satan has been known to do a little speaking himself.
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