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Eutychus -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 1:02:48 PM)

Excellent, excellent post Chief! It highlights the very sorts of things the Lord taught that the Jews didn't get.
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Chief -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 1:23:50 PM)

Thanks Euty.



EZ_03 -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 1:26:38 PM)

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Excellent, excellent post Chief!

euty - but those of us that have been saying the exact same thing as chief, merely having changed the day to the one God actually called the Sabbath and designated as set apart...why we're legalists trapped in bondage, right? kind of makes one think someone's not paying much attention...

chief - i don't think i've disagreed with a word you said in post 100...other than my posts have used a different day of the week. well put!

Sabbath is good...a gift from a Father who gives good gifts.



Sabbath wasn't created by SDA's, it wasn't created by rabbinic/orthodox judaism...these groups have messed it up...sorry if anyone has been burned by them along the way. the fact doesn't change that the day God gave is something special worth embracing and delighting in.

for those that don't think so, try it for a month and see if God isn't faithful to His promises. if you don't think God could bless you any more, never mind - i'm happy for you. [:)]



Eutychus -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 1:30:58 PM)

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for those that don't think so, try it for a month and see if God isn't faithful to His promises. if you don't think God could bless you any more, never mind - i'm happy for you.

So for a month I should stay home and sleep in on Sunday instead of gathering with my local church family to praise, worship, and study? I'm not sure how profitable that would be.

Oh, BTW, He is indeed faithful to His promises to those who worship and serve our true Sabbath, Jesus Christ.



bobservations -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 2:12:53 PM)

Well put Chief. As long as you don't try to teach that the Sabbath has been transferred to Sunday You will do well. Sounds like you are enjoying your Christian life.

EZ, I tried it for 40 years. I am much more content now. Sabbath had restraints. It was very legalistic. Rest in Christ is freedom in Christ. My whole being is at peace. I am not confused by the Old Covenant vs. the New. I have a very special rest.

Let me ask you EZ, do you keep the other Old Covenant days? Do you believe you should? Do yo keep the other laws of Moses, such as wearing tassels? Do you believe tht the Pauline books in the Bible are inspired? I am wondering because you refuse to recognise the New Covenant fully.



gambit -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 2:26:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EZ_03

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Excellent, excellent post Chief!

euty - but those of us that have been saying the exact same thing as chief, merely having changed the day to the one God actually called the Sabbath and designated as set apart...why we're legalists trapped in bondage, right? kind of makes one think someone's not paying much attention...

chief - i don't think i've disagreed with a word you said in post 100...other than my posts have used a different day of the week. well put!

Sabbath is good...a gift from a Father who gives good gifts.



Sabbath wasn't created by SDA's, it wasn't created by rabbinic/orthodox judaism...these groups have messed it up...sorry if anyone has been burned by them along the way. the fact doesn't change that the day God gave is something special worth embracing and delighting in.

for those that don't think so, try it for a month and see if God isn't faithful to His promises. if you don't think God could bless you any more, never mind - i'm happy for you. [:)]

Tell me exactly how you keep a sabbath? Do you turn on lights, a computer, a microwave, a car? How far do you travel? If you're going to keep it according to the way it was instructed in the Old Testament, you really have to be very careful.



Chief -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 2:29:31 PM)

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Well put Chief.

Thanks, Bob.

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As long as you don't try to teach that the Sabbath has been transferred to Sunday You will do well.
But...nevermind. [;)]

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Sounds like you are enjoying your Christian life.
Even when it is bad, it's a blessing.[;)]



Eutychus -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 2:34:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gambit
Tell me exactly how you keep a sabbath? Do you turn on.. a computer...

I raised a similar question last Saturday when a couple of Sabbath keepers were posting and got mostly what equates to blank stares - didn't get my point at all. We apparently have enlightened keepers of the Sabbath with us.



Chief -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 2:45:27 PM)

Euty, what do you say to anybody who does not believe in keeping any day a sabbath?



gambit -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 2:52:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Eutychus

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ORIGINAL: gambit
Tell me exactly how you keep a sabbath? Do you turn on.. a computer...

I raised a similar question last Saturday when a couple of Sabbath keepers were posting and got mostly what equates to blank stares - didn't get my point at all. We apparently have enlightened keepers of the Sabbath with us.

That's because they probably don't keep it according to the way Moses instructed the Israelites to. Heating up food is the same as starting a fire by todays standards. A big no no!



rockv12 -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 2:54:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bobservations

EZ, I tried it for 40 years. I am much more content now. Sabbath had restraints. It was very legalistic. Rest in Christ is freedom in Christ. My whole being is at peace. I am not confused by the Old Covenant vs. the New. I have a very special rest.



You are more content now? Of course you are...you don't have to do something you didn't want to do. Sabbath had restraints, it was very legalistic you say. That sounds like it was too hard to be obedient for you. Maybe you were taking the restraints to the extreme and thus becoming legalistic.



rockv12 -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 2:56:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Eutychus

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ORIGINAL: gambit
Tell me exactly how you keep a sabbath? Do you turn on.. a computer...

I raised a similar question last Saturday when a couple of Sabbath keepers were posting and got mostly what equates to blank stares - didn't get my point at all. We apparently have enlightened keepers of the Sabbath with us.


Noone had a blank stare. We aren't going to turn off our electricity to our house on the Sabbath because someone down the wires is being forced to work because of it. There's a balance of ridiculousness to obedience and reverence for the Holy day.



gambit -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 3:08:07 PM)

So, the way the Isrealites were required to keep the sabbath is ridiculous?



Eutychus -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 3:13:40 PM)

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Noone

Is that pronounced "Noonie" or "Nune"? I always read it as Noonie. I guess it depends on where you grew up.



gambit -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 3:17:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Eutychus

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Noone

Is that pronounced "Noonie" or "Nune"? I always read it as Noonie. I guess it depends on where you grew up.

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Eutychus -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 3:18:24 PM)

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We aren't going to turn off our electricity to our house on the Sabbath because someone down the wires is being forced to work because of it. There's a balance of ridiculousness to obedience and reverence for the Holy day.

It's not about someone down the line working. Turning on the PC, turning on the tube, turning on the stove, turning on the lights, all would be considered profaning the Sabbath under OT standards. Even driving a car. The means of doing work have changed but, if they still apply, the principles are the same. Under the OT Sabbath standards, you did not initiate work, you prepared food the day before, you didn't hitch up the mule to ride across town. Either keep the day or don't kid yourself.



gambit -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 3:29:24 PM)

That's right. The Orthodox Jews today do not dare switch on a light. That's considered work. All electronics must be turned on or off by the time the sunsets on Friday.



rockv12 -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 9:14:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Eutychus

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Noone

Is that pronounced "Noonie" or "Nune"? I always read it as Noonie. I guess it depends on where you grew up.


Have we resorted to 5th grade criticism of grammar?

Jesus gave good examples of how to keep the Sabbath. Why did He show these examples? Why would these examples be written in the New Testament? Jesus picked grain on the Sabbath, didn't He?



Seventh Day Advocate -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 10:16:26 PM)

ok...yeah we answered last week...and the point was remade, there is a sense of ridiculousness that we can all see with the orthodox Jew way of keeping the sabbath...Jesus said that man was making the sabbath a burden and that's not what it was supposed to be. No work on the sabbath means no work. starting a fire 2,000 years ago is very different "work wise" than turning on a light today...be realistic guys. riding a donkey or camel is different "work wise" than driving a car is today. The sabbath is made to rest and it is also "lawful to do good on the sabbath". I cannot strees how much I have been craving this sabbath this week...In the last few years I have come to the full realization of why God made the sabbath. Taking a day off to free your mind of worldy stresses and issues and just meditating (not sleeping! [:D]well at least not 24/7) in Him, and the occasional nap, are very therapeudic and I believe that's what God intended. He wants us to stay healthy physically and mentally and spiritually...



bobservations -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/15/2005 10:48:54 PM)

Ez or any Sabbath keeper, you have glossed over my questions to you. I'll state them again: do you keep the other Old Covenant days? Do you believe you should? Do yo keep the other laws of Moses, such as wearing tassels? Do you believe tht the Pauline books in the Bible are inspired? I am wondering because you refuse to recognise the New Covenant fully.

These are very important questions just to let the rest of us know where you really stand.

The Commandment says that you shall do no work on the Holy day. Only Levites and guards were permitted to work. Jesus told the lame man to pick up his bed and walk on the Sabbath. That was work. All through His ministry He down played the Sabbath. Taht is the main reason the Jews were gunning for Him. He has made it very clear in the New Covenant that He doesn't want us to be a part of keeping a day.



rockv12 -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/16/2005 1:37:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bobservations
Taht is the main reason the Jews were gunning for Him. He has made it very clear in the New Covenant that He doesn't want us to be a part of keeping a day.


Where did He make this clear?



bobservations -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/16/2005 8:33:40 AM)

See Rock, in my last post I ask you to answer a few questions that any 3rd grader could answer if they were taught such, but you refuse and retort back with a question to me. You aren't debating honorably. What are you all trying to hide? Your non responsiveness only fortifies our belief that you do observe those things. It would seem that you don't trust the Bible writers. In that case we are barking at the wind to try to make a point with you. And the same goes with you trying to make points with us. We accept all scrirture as being inspired. How can you pick and choose? By what/whose authority have you made your decision not to believe all? boB



rockv12 -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/16/2005 10:42:52 AM)

No, I or none of the Sabbath keepers I know believe you need to keep all the Old Covenant Laws. They were done away with. However, the Sabbath law was not. It is part of the Ten Commandments that are to be kept til' the end.



Seventh Day Advocate -> RE: Sabbath - One Stop Thread (7/16/2005 12:04:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bobservations

Ez or any Sabbath keeper, you have glossed over my questions to you. I'll state them again: do you keep the other Old Covenant days? Do you believe you should? Do yo keep the other laws of Moses, such as wearing tassels? Do you believe tht the Pauline books in the Bible are inspired? I am wondering because you refuse to recognise the New Covenant fully.


The Commandment says that you shall do no work on the Holy day. Only Levites and guards were permitted to work. Jesus told the lame man to pick up his bed and walk on the Sabbath. That was work. All through His ministry He down played the Sabbath. Taht is the main reason the Jews were gunning for Him. He has made it very clear in the New Covenant that He doesn't want us to be a part of keeping a day.


Yes I believe that the Pauline books in the bible are inspired. However I don't believe that he denounced the sabbath. Paul tried to get new believers introduced to Jesus, the most important part of Christianity, first. When you have a relationship with Jesus (I'll say it for the thousanth time) He says "if you love me, then you will keep my commandments" it wasn't written without intent to be followed.

The ten commandments were so intimately written than God used his own finger! I'd think that that would make them important...Another time God was that intimate was when he created humans and we know how much he loves us. These ten simple laws (laws that if you used properly help us love one another, God, and ourselves) are intended to help His children live.

to the wearing tassels comment, the tassels should only prove how much more important the ten commandments were. They were a reminder to those who wore them to always try to utilize the commands that God had given them.

The lame man getting up is an example of doing good on the sabbath. Jesus said it himself, "it is lawful to do good on the sabbath" if someone fell down a well on the sabbath I would definitely be willing to helpl...if that meant running a mile to get the necassary help then that is entirely different then running a mile with the intent of excersize. My father is a doctor and sometimes he has to "work" on the sabbath. But what is he doing? He is healing, just like Jesus did on the sabbath.

All throughout His ministry Jesus did nothing but keep the sabbath first of all, and secondly He tried to explain to people why it was important to keep it correctly. Keeping the sabbath correctly isn't about following a bunch of rules, it's about resting from the stress of the world and meditating in God. Where was Jesus when He first declared publicly that He was the son of God? He was in the synagogue on the sabbath. I realize I said it before but really think about it: Jesus rested on the sabbath even in death...that's hardcore[:D] and I think that's gotta mean something.



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