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TheosCentric -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/26/2008 10:36:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy quote: ORIGINAL: TheoCentric The strongest case for Jesus' messiahship is Peter's acknowledgement of Jesus being the Christ. I pointed this out to John Hagee in my letter, but he did not acknowledge it in his response. It is very sad. We should pray that he comes to a knowledge of the truth. Greetings, I pointed this out to John Hagee in my letter, but he did not acknowledge it in his response. It is very sad. We should pray that he comes to knowledge of the truth. LOL! You prayers are affective, that’s why he wrote the book…. If were JH I would not have responded either.... He probably tossed in the trash can, …….Because “Peter's acknowledgement” of Jesus being the Christ has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus' messiah ship. The strongest case is written in verse 17 and is that in which the gates of Hades shall not prevail against, which is the revelation given from the Father (NOT PETER), whereby that on that rock I (Jesus) will build My church, and is the same revelation given to Jesus from the very same Father, as written in John 6:44-46 ….Not the type of the preterist misunderstandings, as written in this thread. 16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, *but My Father who is in heaven. The crux is not the messiah-ship; it is that one receives revelation as written in John 6:45 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock "I will build My church", and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. The problem is many Christians say they received revelation because it is written on the surface of a book, but the principal is when that revelation actually is given them. And this point of the verse is repeated by Jesus many times in the scriptures For example in opposite of what Peter said in v16 60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?" 61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. *65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."** 66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. The problem is today is that many of “His disciples” who have not been granted revelation do not have enough sense to leave…. and are still sticking around preaching doctrine against those to whom it has been granted. Loyal Gypsy Your post has nothing to with this thread other than trying to accuse me of speaking against one of God's annointed. It's proven that Hagee is preaching heresy. Again, what's your point? So, do you believe that Jesus was the Messiah promised in the scriptures or not?

Odeliya -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/26/2008 1:25:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GodsMusic "1960, Hagee married his first wife Martha; they had two children, .. divorced Hagee married his second wife, Diana Castro, a member of the congregation 12 years his junior,1976...three children: Christina, Matthew, and Sandy. Matthew Hagee is the Associate Pastor of Corner. Church " I never knew this about Hagee. [:D] what's amazing is that neither of the women are blind and, most importantly, deaf :) Hagee is probably one of the worse menaces Jews ever seen when it comes to evangelicrooks. he cant control his dirty mouth, did you see how he called the church our Catholic brethren affiliate with 'Great Whore'? he apologized later but... What kind of words is that for a religious person??? he is too old and fat to pass for a gangsta rapper or gangbanger :))

LoyalGypsy -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/26/2008 5:03:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheoCentric Your post has nothing to with this thread other than trying to accuse me of speaking against one of God's annointed. It's proven that Hagee is preaching heresy. Again, what's your point? So, do you believe that Jesus was the Messiah promised in the scriptures or not? Greetings, quote: TheoCentric I noticed that too, but I've noticed it on other videos as well that were true. I don't believe it's false. I think it's just a bad recording. I've issued an open letter on my blog as well as sent it to his ministries, calling for him to repent. Well the Bible says that one should be very careful and have a very good witness when calling on the anointed to repent, one may not like the answer as the principal reiterates 11 Now when they bring you to the synagogues and magistrates and authorities, do not worry about how or what you should answer, or what you should say. 12 For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say." ……..In like manner as "it was not Peters acknowledgement" of Jesus as the Christ, which was already shown and witness by the scriptures. As for "me" accusing one, ......Where was that?? The first question that was asked, is if you read the book?? LG

SovereignIsHe -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/27/2008 3:11:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Odeliya quote: ORIGINAL: GodsMusic "1960, Hagee married his first wife Martha; they had two children, .. divorced Hagee married his second wife, Diana Castro, a member of the congregation 12 years his junior,1976...three children: Christina, Matthew, and Sandy. Matthew Hagee is the Associate Pastor of Corner. Church " I never knew this about Hagee. [:D] what's amazing is that neither of the women are blind and, most importantly, deaf :) Hagee is probably one of the worse menaces Jews ever seen when it comes to evangelicrooks. he cant control his dirty mouth, did you see how he called the church our Catholic brethren affiliate with 'Great Whore'? he apologized later but... What kind of words is that for a religious person??? he is too old and fat to pass for a gangsta rapper or gangbanger :)) He was probably quoting Revelation 17 and or 19.... John

Odeliya -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/27/2008 4:41:37 PM)
Oh, that's doubtless, Johh, he meant the usual - what Martin Luther, Calvin, Knoxx and almost every early protestant reffered to as great whore of Babylon.I dont blame them - they suffered immensely from it. I dont even blame if someone whose childhood was tormented by Catholic school, evil nuns and hypocritical "catholic" family says that. It' s just... the times have changed. I despise RCC but calling them the great whore speaks more of his integrity as a religious leader, not them. I love my Catholic friends, but to convert them from all the CC junk i wouldnt start with calling them names :) wisely made TOS rules here would have made mr. Luther tame his tongue :) But i digress, this is not CC thread :)) - my point was that hagee is not someone whose words carry any weight on almost any subject

LoyalGypsy -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/27/2008 7:03:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Odeliya Oh, that's doubtless, Johh, he meant the usual - what Martin Luther, Calvin, Knoxx and almost every early protestant reffered to as great whore of Babylon.I dont blame them - they suffered immensely from it. I dont even blame if someone whose childhood was tormented by Catholic school, evil nuns and hypocritical "catholic" family says that. It' s just... the times have changed. I despise RCC but calling them the great whore speaks more of his integrity as a religious leader, not them. I love my Catholic friends, but to convert them from all the CC junk i wouldnt start with calling them names :) wisely made TOS rules here would have made mr. Luther tame his tongue :) But i digress, this is not CC thread :)) - my point was that hagee is not someone whose words carry any weight on almost any subject Greetings, Dr Jack Van Impe has a good relationship with the RCC, basically Jack reiterated it.... it is by their own acknowledgments that the next Pope will be the initiator of the one world religion, (as if they all didn’t have a part) but that is old news, they knew of it for centuries and that Pope will be named a name according to their interpretation of their own prophecy!! Jesus died for our sins; however there is no reference to Him dying for our stupidity and He never said that when His word says not to do something..... that it means to go and mimic it, in like manner... as if we need reminders. JH is just not going to be pressured "not to speak" against that type of stuff, and in that respect I believe he may be in violation ….there is a proverb that says something in the line of….. That it is stupid to argue with a stupid person ...or something like that! …. perhaps we should pray for him that he comes to the knowledge of that revelation, [:D] but someone is going to take that role as the harlot, or the great whore of Babylon, because it is written .....but that doesn’t mean we all have to fight for the position, [:)] If the RCC wants the position as the harlot and it has been revealed for that institution to perform, then by all means lets role out the red carpet, call out that intermission is now over....and get the show over with, because procrastination is still sin. Here is a good link for some realtime assumptions http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=124802 LG

Odeliya -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/28/2008 11:10:46 AM)
[sm=Llol.gif]i agree with you, even I am not sure who Jack Impre is , I’ll google. LG, not doubt – the shoe fits!! wait, you haven’t attended rc threads on this site even, but oh, yeah!! it’s a duck, all right... but I argue not that,but if the label should be used by somewhat on such level of recognition. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but to me personally -if I criticize RC for ugly name calling and other evils I cant be hypocritical and act the same. Thanks for the link - yes, there are more shades to the situation ;) while we are on the topic.. if anyone hard earned the whore title it’s the Media. Gypsy, my friend,you know i respect you, will you do me a favor? if you read the Hagee book can you please give me a short explanation of why you think the unilateral view of Hagee position held by everyone on this thread is wrong? I promise to gladly give you the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, lazy bum like me wont find time to read it.

LoyalGypsy -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/28/2008 2:40:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Odeliya Thanks for the link - yes, there are more shades to the situation ;) while we are on the topic.. if anyone hard earned the whore title it’s the Media. Gypsy, my friend, you know i respect you, will you do me a favor? if you read the Hagee book can you please give me a short explanation of why you think the unilateral view of Hagee position held by everyone on this thread is wrong? I promise to gladly give you the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, lazy bum like me won’t find time to read it. Greetings, I haven’t read the posts here but came across Post #: 76 when opening the Recent Activities in subscribed threads and to the right in the Latest Threads…. I noticed "John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah It caught my eye because it is lies from the get go ...so I clicked and I read the OP and went to the last post which landed me on Post #: 76 I generally do not read all the posts, reading the first and the last; one can get a pretty good picture just how distorted it has become since the OP just by reading the last post But it was consistent enough.... distorted since the beginning [:D] Actually i have no Idea what the unilateral view of Hagee’s position being held by others is, I just took a peek at the video and caught in response the miss quotation of the scripture in Post #: 76 and addressed it. quote: please give me a short explanation of why you think the unilateral view of Hagee position held by everyone on this thread is wrong? Gladly, But....You'll have to hum a few bars in reference of the unilateral view, the bashers, or JH? The only unilateral view I witnessed in the few readings is a continued miss interpretation of simple scriptures, and those in agreement with it! other than that; JH knows his scripture [;)] LG

Odeliya -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (5/29/2008 11:18:27 AM)
Sorry for being unclear. My impression was that you disagree that Jhagee denies Jesus is the Messiah and claims that Jews ( i dont know if he includes converted to Judaism as well) dont need to believe in Christ to get saved. I would appreciate if you explain your position on the subject, just out of curiosity not to argue -I havent read or heard him enough.Even messianics and messianics sympths agreed that is exactly what HAgee teaches and him being really off the wall on this. ( presuming it's not just about wording and disagreements of names, like Jesus/vs. Yeshua etc.. )

JimboFletch -> RE: John Hagee denies Jesus is the Messiah (10/6/2008 11:22:21 AM)
I saw where John Hagee had heart surgery and his 30 year-old boy is filling the pulpit for him while he recovers. I guess it makes sense for someone like him to believe in a priestly succession by inheritance... It's interesting how many men that start their own church hand off the mantle of "pastor" to one of their kids.

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