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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 9:40:07 AM
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Qtman
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Actually we are all colored people.
Black is a color
White is a color
Red is a color
Brown is a color
Yellow is a color
Find me some one who is not colored. I have never met an opaque person.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 10:30:39 AM
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Actually the correct terminology to describe Obama would be Mulatto.
The correct terminology is NOT mulatto.
The term mulatto comes from Spanish and Portuguese words for "small mule" a mule being a hybrid between a horse and a donkey.
I am not a horse, my husband is not a donkey and my daughter is not a small mule.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 10:48:47 AM
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Actually the correct terminology to describe Obama would be Mulatto.
The correct terminology is NOT mulatto.
The term mulatto comes from Spanish and Portuguese words for "small mule" a mule being a hybrid between a horse and a donkey.
I am not a horse, my husband is not a donkey and my daughter is not a small mule.
SYLLABICATION: mu·lat·to
PRONUNCIATION: m-lt, -lät, my-
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. mu·lat·tos or mu·lat·toes
1. A person having one white and one Black parent. See Usage Note at octoroon. 2. A person of mixed white and Black ancestry.
ETYMOLOGY: Spanish mulato, small mule, person of mixed race, mulatto, from mulo, mule, from Old Spanish, from Latin mlus.
Mulatto is not a derogatory word, it means mixed race (one white, one black).
The spanish use the word for a mule because a mule is a mixed race animal; one donkey, one horse.
Don't be so touchy, it is proper english, not a derogatory nor a racist word.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 11:45:31 AM
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rcjames,
When it comes to a label that I don't like being applied to my daughter, I'm going to be touchy.
You can post a dictionary definition of the word, but my point is that in today's society a lot of people do not accept the term being applied to them.
Just because a word has been used in the past to mean one thing, doesn't mean it is still ok to use the word today. A lot of people take offense to that word being applied to them today, especially in English speaking parts of the world with a history of slavery.
I don't appreciate that word being applied to my family, I know of many people who use it with racist and derogatory meaning, and I am saying that you need to watch when you say things like "the proper term is" because there are a lot of people who do take offense to the term.
So what I'm trying to say to you is, that word has a meaning you may not understand and you should probably refrain from telling people that it is the correct terminology especially when it is a dated word that isn't really used anymore.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 11:48:20 AM
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I agree with Lexie. Although I am obviously not black, I have heard that term used many many time in a negative way. Every time I hear it I am reminded of Archie Bunker and George Jefferson and Zebras. I just don't like the annotations attached.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 12:01:12 PM
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 1:17:49 PM
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Find me some one who is not colored. I have never met an opaque person. Actually, I have never met a person who is not opaque. That means light reflects off them instead of passing thru, as in translucent or transparent.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 1:21:23 PM
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Find me some one who is not colored. I have never met an opaque person. Actually, I have never met a person who is not opaque. That means light reflects off them instead of passing thru, as in translucent or transparent.
Sorry I used the wrong word.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 1:25:35 PM
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Just because a word has been used in the past to mean one thing, doesn't mean it is still ok to use the word today. So I should stop using "gay" to mean that I feel happy? Or I should call those cheap rubber sandles "flip-flops" instead of thongs?
I get very tired of trying to relearn vocabulary over and over again.
As to the term in question here, I have not heard it in general use since the 1970s. Its usage then was certainly better than the one used on some in my family and my wife's family who had American Indian blood: half-breed. Thankfully, since Cher's song with that name, that term has faded away as well.
But the question now is, what term DO we use?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 1:32:40 PM
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Just because a word has been used in the past to mean one thing, doesn't mean it is still ok to use the word today. So I should stop using "gay" to mean that I feel happy? Or I should call those cheap rubber sandles "flip-flops" instead of thongs?
I get very tired of trying to relearn vocabulary over and over again.
As to the term in question here, I have not heard it in general use since the 1970s. Its usage then was certainly better than the one used on some in my family and my wife's family who had American Indian blood: half-breed.
If there's a negative connotation with the word, is it not advisable to stay away from it if it can be perceived as being offensive? I understand people have an aversion to being politically correct, but if it can cause harm, why use it, especially if you know that it can be offensive?
Race is still a volatile issue, and many people have been victims of bigotry, prejudice, and hate based on race. I'm not sure the same can be said about thongs/flip-flops.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 1:38:07 PM
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We can decry it as much as we like, but it is the nature of language to change (even without the help of the PC movement). The word nice used to be a put down. You're welcome to continue using words how you like, but you have to run the chance that you're going to get some very funny looks when you announce that your feeling gay today. Your facing at least one entire generation that doesn't really know the happy definition.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 1:54:32 PM
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That is really discombobulated.....
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 2:12:40 PM
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That was a joke.....(using an archaic term)
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 2:14:08 PM
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What! Discombobulated is archaic!?! That's one of my very favorite words!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 3:33:16 PM
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So I should stop using "gay" to mean that I feel happy? Or I should call those cheap rubber sandles "flip-flops" instead of thongs?
I get very tired of trying to relearn vocabulary over and over again.
I'm sorry you get tired of relearning your vocabulary but I get tired of explaining to people why there are racial terms that are offensive to me and my family. There used to be a time when it was acceptable for whites to use a certain harsh word to describe black people but we don't use it anymore, do we?
I just find it hard to believe that as Christians, if someone told you that a term offended them, you would continue to use it around them, or argue that you have the right to use that term. How hard is it to take a word out of your vocabulary?
(Not directed at Dave but a general "you")
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 3:57:02 PM
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So I should stop using "gay" to mean that I feel happy? Or I should call those cheap rubber sandles "flip-flops" instead of thongs?
I get very tired of trying to relearn vocabulary over and over again.
I'm sorry you get tired of relearning your vocabulary but I get tired of explaining to people why there are racial terms that are offensive to me and my family. There used to be a time when it was acceptable for whites to use a certain harsh word to describe black people but we don't use it anymore, do we?
I just find it hard to believe that as Christians, if someone told you that a term offended them, you would continue to use it around them, or argue that you have the right to use that term. How hard is it to take a word out of your vocabulary?
(Not directed at Dave but a general "you")
Around here not very hard. Fritz_W said to not use it. I think that is the final word on that. BTW I am glad he did.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 4:02:14 PM
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What! Discombobulated is archaic!?! That's one of my very favorite words!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 4:32:33 PM
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I do protest as a Portuguese speaker, a mix person and a still citzen from the most populous black country outside Africa (Nigeria), Brasil, about a word from my tongue being spinned around among non speakers of it. I will not use it in respect for the TOS, of course. But I may say its a propaganda from extreme black moviments going on reggarding mix individuals having not the same blackness inside because they are mix and maybe lighter skin.
Brasil already has racism and prejudice of its own, most of our population is mix and black and poorest as the whites are the minority and richer. Brasilian Movimento Negro ( I have to translate as "Black" Moviment in the USA as this maybe another word not allowed because of US sensitivities and history...) was born in the 17th Century dealing with issues of blacks and "mix persons" equaly! Now there are some black moviments born from else where imported to Brasil wantig to sow separation between the blacks and mix persons, as the "mix persons" are not black enough too. Yeh right! Take a very dark black and a lighter one and see each one is a true pure black in their bloods..LOL  Try it to see if there is soe people really pure something...maybe same of the Japanese/Brasilians or others many immigrants who stayed put in their communities for generations in the South and Southeast Brasil, Native Brasilian Indians from distant tribes ???
About racism in the US is very much alive and there is in my experience as a brown person huge difference between living in the South and North of the USA. I do think even myself became a bit racist too reggarding white and I do call rednecks those I see behaving racist, even in churchs there are racism too as I experienced 1st hand. There are racism among blacks too some are regular racists others have prejudice and others gives some foreigners the "exotic" treatment. To me the exotic treatment belongs to animals. Education in people does not change racism in my view, some may act strange as too much PC going on and may behave "exagerated extra nice". Iam not complaining people being nice, of course not..but t come across as fake behaviour.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 6:18:55 PM
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So I should stop using "gay" to mean that I feel happy? Or I should call those cheap rubber sandles "flip-flops" instead of thongs?
I get very tired of trying to relearn vocabulary over and over again.
I'm sorry you get tired of relearning your vocabulary but I get tired of explaining to people why there are racial terms that are offensive to me and my family. There used to be a time when it was acceptable for whites to use a certain harsh word to describe black people but we don't use it anymore, do we?
I just find it hard to believe that as Christians, if someone told you that a term offended them, you would continue to use it around them, or argue that you have the right to use that term. How hard is it to take a word out of your vocabulary?
(Not directed at Dave but a general "you")
If there is a need to distinguish a person who is a mixed race, with one white and one black parent; what term would not be offensive to you?
Thanks
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 6:32:43 PM
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 7/25/2008 8:38:02 PM
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So I should stop using "gay" to mean that I feel happy? Or I should call those cheap rubber sandals "flip-flops" instead of thongs?
I get very tired of trying to relearn vocabulary over and over again.
I'm sorry you get tired of relearning your vocabulary but I get tired of explaining to people why there are racial terms that are offensive to me and my family. There used to be a time when it was acceptable for whites to use a certain harsh word to describe black people but we don't use it anymore, do we?
The problem is that what is encouraged or accepted today, could be offensive tomorrow. The very word that you took offense at is a word that many of us were encouraged to use by members of several different races.
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I just find it hard to believe that as Christians, if someone told you that a term offended them, you would continue to use it around them, or argue that you have the right to use that term. How hard is it to take a word out of your vocabulary?
(Not directed at Dave but a general "you")
How about giving us a few minutes? Your post is the first time I've ever heard of anyone being offended by that word. 91 minutes and three posts later that word is no longer allowed.
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