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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:47:48 PM
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tracydolls
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God gave Miriam a disease...He didn't make her white (Caucasian).
I'll have to look more into that article. I have difficulty with anything that says humans were around 50,000 years ago. But that's just me.
Well that's not what the Bible says. Need the verse again?\
Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
IT says leperous , white as snow.
You say diseased and not white.
Umm... sorry but the Bible wins out!
So you don't believe in the DNA studies going on or any science?
It started in AFrica, they were Black.
Man, we can't even start there with the truth.
How we gonna get to here and deal with our racism?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:52:30 PM
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Some Egyptians, Yes, but all Egyptians, NO! Most scholars are very aware that different Egyptian dynasties came from different races. Egypt because of it's importation of so many people from the surrounding nations was quite mixed.
How many different races are there? LOL. so before the Greeks, and Romans theyre was who that ruled Eygpt and was not Black?
So you know scholars that would say during Moses time, the building of some of the older Pyramids, they were not Black people as a whole, so the Kings and Queens painted mostly foriegners?
OK.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:56:51 PM
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God gave Miriam a disease...He didn't make her white (Caucasian).
I'll have to look more into that article. I have difficulty with anything that says humans were around 50,000 years ago. But that's just me.
Well that's not what the Bible says. Need the verse again? ]\
IT says leperous , white as snow.
You say diseased and not white.
Umm... sorry but the Bible wins out!
So you don't believe in the DNA studies going on or any science?
It started in AFrica, they were Black.
Man, we can't even start there with the truth.
How we gonna get to here and deal with our racism?
Leprosy can make skin look sickly white, but it cannot change a Black person into a Caucasian, nor does it change anyones genetic code. Interpreting the curse of Miriam's leprosy as the origin of the Caucasian race is equally as racist as the statement made by those who say that the mark that Cain received for killing Abel was being made Black, both statements are wrong, and both are complete misrepresentations of God's word!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:58:36 PM
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You do realize that leprosy is a disease, right? Leprosy is a chronic skin disease that causes discoloration, lesions, and nerve insensitivity.
Also, Mirriam's disease was not permanent, she's healed in the end of Numbers 12 (as evidenced by both the promise of God, and by her reintroduction into the Israelite camp). So, unless you think that being caucasian is a form of skin disease...
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 9:59:59 PM
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Leprosy can make skin look sickly white, but it cannot change a Black person into a Caucasian, nor does it change anyones genetic code. Interpreting the curse of Miriam's leprosy as the origin of the Caucasian race is equally as racist the statement made by those who say that the mark that Cain received for killing Abel was being made Black, both statements are wrong, and both are complete misrepresentations of God's word!
No Miriam was changed back, the camp waited for her.
Could we at least be honest in our posts? Never said that Miriam was the beginning!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:01:49 PM
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IT says leperous , white as snow.
The lesions are white, not the skin.
Source: had to take lots of Microbiology in college...studied it quite a bit.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:04:35 PM
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The lesions are white, not the skin.
Source: had to take lots of Microbiology in college...studied it quite a bit.
Can our source be the Bible? Where does that verse say that? Because I dont think most Bible Scholars think the leprosy mentioned in the Bible is the same diseases we see now.
Or if someone knows one, I would like to read them.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:05:52 PM
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Have ya ever talked with someone who always brings the conversation back to them. You tell them a story and they say, " I did that and this is how I did that." Their favorite words are...me...mine...and I.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:14:08 PM
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Have ya ever talked with someone who always brings the conversation back to them. You tell them a story and they say, " I did that and this is how I did that." Their favorite words are...me...mine...and I.
son,
This is so very easy to do in this thread.
People are in here that don't know their Bibles, don't know simple history, won't take the time to do homework before debating.
or just let their own racism blind them too much.
I've learned something in this process, the Christians I think I would like to learn from or emulate
DONT come here!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:14:46 PM
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What the heck does this ridiculous conversation regarding leprosy have to do with anything at all???
I think some people will argue with a stuffed animal.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:16:45 PM
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Zhi
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This is so very easy to do in this thread.
People are in here that don't know their Bibles, don't know simple history, won't take the time to do homework before debating.
or just let their own racism blind them too much.
*sigh* You're the one asserting that everyone in the entire Mediterranean area was black until the Greeks and Romans came along. Despite all historical evidence to the contrary.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:33:01 PM
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This is so very easy to do in this thread.
People are in here that don't know their Bibles, don't know simple history, won't take the time to do homework before debating.
or just let their own racism blind them too much.
*sigh* You're the one asserting that everyone in the entire Mediterranean area was black until the Greeks and Romans came along. Despite all historical evidence to the contrary.
And don't forget...no one else around here knows their Bibles or history and we are all too lazy to do homework. But, you know, we'd really like to learn to be better people. If only those that are truly enlightened and educated would provide proof, we could make it! If only we could actually view the homework assignments, we might not be so blinded by racism! Ah...if only...
What I wouldn't give to be that one, perfect person in the whole universe! God must be very cruel to only have created one person that has all the answers and holds the key to all knowledge and peace. Other than Jesus, I mean...we don't hear too much about Him around here, anyway. Guess there's not much room for Him in a heart and mind so filled with knowledge.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:43:00 PM
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This is so very easy to do in this thread.
People are in here that don't know their Bibles, don't know simple history, won't take the time to do homework before debating.
or just let their own racism blind them too much.
*sigh* You're the one asserting that everyone in the entire Mediterranean area was black until the Greeks and Romans came along. Despite all historical evidence to the contrary.
And don't forget...no one else around here knows their Bibles or history and we are all too lazy to do homework. But, you know, we'd really like to learn to be better people. If only those that are truly enlightened and educated would provide proof, we could make it! If only we could actually view the homework assignments, we might not be so blinded by racism! Ah...if only...
What I wouldn't give to be that one, perfect person in the whole universe! God must be very cruel to only have created one person that has all the answers and holds the key to all knowledge and peace. Other than Jesus, I mean...we don't hear too much about Him around here, anyway. Guess there's not much room for Him in a heart and mind so filled with knowledge.
You know, Peter, I agree with your stance on the issue, but I believe that's going too far.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 10:44:14 PM
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Have ya ever talked with someone who always brings the conversation back to them. You tell them a story and they say, " I did that and this is how I did that." Their favorite words are...me...mine...and I.
son,
This is so very easy to do in this thread.
People are in here that don't know their Bibles, don't know simple history, won't take the time to do homework before debating.
or just let their own racism blind them too much.
Methinks thou doth protest TOO MUCH.
I believe the OP stated no personal attacks. And he's the admin, so you know he's watching.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 11:10:05 PM
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Sign... we celebrate the American Revolution, they all look like heros, but we do not celebrate the Black revolution, they were all criminals.
Now the actions of the Black Panthers encompasses the Black revolution? It seems your view is evolving as it goes along...
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2008 11:16:15 PM
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Black people did not make skin color an issue. I believe that was Europeans.
Racism is an issue for all colors...
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Moving on does not to me mean I don't talk about it, or that I lie, or that I cover the history of what happened.
Actually you overlook what you wish... You said regarding the Black Panthers....
But it's just a picture to everyone. They are dead and gone. The 60's?
Why are people still threatened by any of it?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2008 2:58:44 AM
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Following the lead of some wise friends who have posted here and got racist yada-yada for responses...unsubing and blocking.
I'm going to follow the lead of my 18 year old nephew(on his way to study theology at the U of Mn) who one day caught this thread, he told me after reading it for a while, Aunty pray for those people and stop messing with them!
I had a hard time trying to convince him that we are suppose to be Christians debating skin color. LOL. In his young mind, it doesnt matter, and is silly to even to talk about it. I agree.
I'm going to take his advice. He said one thing that sticks out.
Hide behind the Cross. When it comes to sin like racism.
So I'm gone from this thread also.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2008 5:43:03 PM
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Some Egyptians, Yes, but all Egyptians, NO! Most scholars are very aware that different Egyptian dynasties came from different races. Egypt because of it's importation of so many people from the surrounding nations was quite mixed.
How many different races are there? LOL. so before the Greeks, and Romans theyre was who that ruled Eygpt and was not Black?
So you know scholars that would say during Moses time, the building of some of the older Pyramids, they were not Black people as a whole, so the Kings and Queens painted mostly foriegners?
OK.
Tracy,
There was an archeological article that came out in May or June or something like that about black pharoahs. The point is that they were not considered black people. Obviously, there may be new evidence that some were. But it should be obvious that up until now the evidence has been that they weren't.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2008 5:56:40 PM
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Because I dont think most Bible Scholars think the leprosy mentioned in the Bible is the same diseases we see now.
You don't think?
Source please. And can our source be the Bible because I'm pretty sure you'd argue with the Scholars depending on where they stood...kind of like you did me in my last post. Take 4 semesters of Microbiology and work in a Micro lab for 13 years and then we'll hash that argument again.
Following the lead of some wise friends who have posted here and got racist yada-yada for responses...unsubing and blocking.
God bless everyone! 
Sorry, zmanfan38,
I think Tracy is right on this one. As for the source, I can dig it up but the notes in my NET Bible say pretty much the same thing. It was translated by some pretty top evangelical seminary scholars.
Besides, if you look at some of the scriptures on leprosy, you will note that the Bible talks about leprosy being in inanimate objects like the walls of a house (Lev. 14:33). Do you really think that refers to what the British have called Hansen's Disease? In the walls of a house?
"Leprosy is a very enigmatic subject. Often it is associated with the Bible but only in the older versions. Most of the later translations render the Hebrew and Greek words as "Terrible Skin Disease" etc. and yet, paradoxically, "Leprosy", as we know it today, basically is not a skin disease. Essentially, it is a disease which affects the nerves, although not the central nervous system. Only the peripheral nerves and their cutaneous branches are involved. What then was the "leprosy" of the Bible? Was it what we call "Hansen’s Disease" today? The answer is No. The Hebrew word "Tsara’ath" may have included Hansen’s Disease or what is called True Leprosy today, but even this is doubted"
Bold emphasis mine.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/LEPBIBLE/
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2008 9:42:53 PM
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In post 936, I, in infinite wisdom...and perfect humility....outlined the cures for racism.
You now have no excuse....you evil racists...to be racist anymore.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2008 11:11:25 PM
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What needs to be done before people stop making such a big deal out of skin color?
Stop making an issue of it.
Stop taking pride in something as silly as pigment in your skin.
Stop making excuses for your lives and scapegoats by blaming people with different skin tones.
Stop living in the past.
Recognise its a fallen world and we are all fallen imperfect people who make mistakes...and every mistake should not end up in criminal court or civil court.
No record of wrong doings.
Just because a leader in your community says he is there fighting for your interests does not mean he is.
Stop recieving special benefits because of your skin color.
I love proving people wrong. If someone casts me in a certain light, I revel in proving their point of view wrong. Instead of strengthening styerotypes and prejudices, develop charactor, family relationships and act responsibly.
When the thug elements in your society are the heros and not your mom...and DAD....there is a HUGE problem.
Stop trying to establish little cliques and communities by position and "cultural seperations". In other words, depending on certain language forms that "qualify" you as "black". If you want to be embraced...stop seperating yourself.
Stop looking for new laws to stop racisms. There is enough law now.
Trust.
Well...here ya go! But, I'm sorry...these make entirely too much sense!  We don't need no stinkin' common sense around here!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2008 11:54:19 PM
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benelchi
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Because I dont think most Bible Scholars think the leprosy mentioned in the Bible is the same diseases we see now.
You don't think?
Source please. And can our source be the Bible because I'm pretty sure you'd argue with the Scholars depending on where they stood...kind of like you did me in my last post. Take 4 semesters of Microbiology and work in a Micro lab for 13 years and then we'll hash that argument again.
Following the lead of some wise friends who have posted here and got racist yada-yada for responses...unsubing and blocking.
God bless everyone!
Sorry, zmanfan38,
I think Tracy is right on this one. As for the source, I can dig it up but the notes in my NET Bible say pretty much the same thing. It was translated by some pretty top evangelical seminary scholars.
Besides, if you look at some of the scriptures on leprosy, you will note that the Bible talks about leprosy being in inanimate objects like the walls of a house (Lev. 14:33). Do you really think that refers to what the British have called Hansen's Disease? In the walls of a house?
"Leprosy is a very enigmatic subject. Often it is associated with the Bible but only in the older versions. Most of the later translations render the Hebrew and Greek words as "Terrible Skin Disease" etc. and yet, paradoxically, "Leprosy", as we know it today, basically is not a skin disease. Essentially, it is a disease which affects the nerves, although not the central nervous system. Only the peripheral nerves and their cutaneous branches are involved. What then was the "leprosy" of the Bible? Was it what we call "Hansen’s Disease" today? The answer is No. The Hebrew word "Tsara’ath" may have included Hansen’s Disease or what is called True Leprosy today, but even this is doubted"
Bold emphasis mine.
http://www.webspawner.com/users/LEPBIBLE/
While most scholars believe that the "Tsara’ath" covered a wider range of skin disorders beyond just Hansen's disease, the majority believe that it was often an indication of Hansen's. A good reference would be "New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology & Exegesis".
More to the point, no scientist (or theologian that I am aware of) would accept the claim made by Tracydolls that the Leprosy described in the bible was a disease that caused the Caucasian race to have white skin. That is simply absurd!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 8/17/2008 12:42:11 AM
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Have ya ever talked with someone who always brings the conversation back to them. You tell them a story and they say, " I did that and this is how I did that." Their favorite words are...me...mine...and I.
son,
This is so very easy to do in this thread.
People are in here that don't know their Bibles, don't know simple history, won't take the time to do homework before debating.
or just let their own racism blind them too much.
I've learned something in this process, the Christians I think I would like to learn from or emulate
DONT come here!
Given the personal implication of this post I can't stop laughing...
John
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