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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/29/2007 9:50:42 PM
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ObviousLee
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Do you think that government rules and private thought that blacks and other colored need an advantage to be able to compete is racism?
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In my opinion, no. For instance, if one were to use "Affirmative Action" as an example, perhaps there's pros and cons. I don't know if this is something along the lines of what you're referring to. I wouldn't say that the intent of the program itself was racist, but that there could be potential (unintentional) victims. In addition, "Affirmative Action" is not meant to target racial minorities only. So with some of these similar organizations, one has to consider their role in promoting the advancement of women and the disabled as well as racial minorities.
Another problem to consider is the fact that not all racial minorities are in a different demography than Whites. Asian-Americans and ethnic Jews (who may face discrimination) are less likely to live in a specific ethnic enclave. Although there may be a few Asian neighborhoods, you don't see nearly as many or with a significant population as other racial groups. So the discrimination they may face may be entirely different than other racial groups.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/30/2007 12:42:32 AM
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RC, racism and discrimination has been part of American life since Colonial days, and the effects are still with us in various forms. It has been necessary to level the playing field so that those who have suffered from generations of discrimination could ge a leg up and improve their lives. Its a good concept, but since its a human approach it is most definitely not perfect. Human behavior tends to follow a Bell Curve, meaning that most of it lies with a moderate range, but with extremes to either side in a very small minority.
There have been cases where majority(ie white) people have been discriminated against in favor of minorities for places in colleges, jobs, housing and other assistance. No, it's not right and should be addressed in open forum so that all sides can voice their concerns and opinions... with the utmost courtesy and respect of course.
Personally I wish people would treat each other right and be fair, then we wouldn't need Affirmative Action. People who are Christians should never engage in discrimination against others, nor sit back and allow discrimination to occur. The Lord called us to be the light, to stand in the gap, to uplift, protect, and be a force for good in our families, communities, and in the world at large. The culture of the First Century Church was one of community where everyone worked for the common good, of coooperation rather than competition. If we take the attitude that success means honoring God by bringing others up with us rather than success at the expense of others, we'd do a much better job of eliminating discrimination.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/30/2007 9:04:42 AM
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It appears to me that 'Affirmitive Action" is racism of the worst kind, in that it is based on the thought that some groups of peoples do not have the intellegence or witherall to compete.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/30/2007 11:02:26 AM
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It appears to me that 'Affirmitive Action" is racism of the worst kind, in that it is based on the thought that some groups of peoples do not have the intellegence or witherall to compete.
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Affirmative Action holds opinions to both extremes. You're certainly entitled to yours. If I met someone who felt they truly benefited from it, I wouldn't imply that they did the equivalent of taking a government assisted steroid to become successful.
I would also add that other countries have different methods to achieve the same type of goals that work contrary to the methods of Affirmative Action. And they still have many race related problems.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 12:00:09 AM
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I would have a personal problem with knowing I have a job someone else does not have solely based on the color of my skin.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 1:09:43 AM
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I would have a problem knowing that I had been denied a job I was capable of because of my skin color.
Actually I am light complected enough to pass white, until someone gets to looking at my facial features and asks if I'm Native American. Then they start asking if I drink or do drugs, do I know how to work every day or get to work on time, do I live in a teepee(?), and some other rather insulting questions. One manager at one job I worked actually inspected me every time I came to work to make sure I wasn't smuggling alcohol or drugs in, and every time I got off shift to make sure I wasn't stealing. Nobody else got this treatment and I was the only non-white working there. I had to empty my pockets, be frisked, take off my shoes and socks, and basically be humiliated in front of my fellow employees because all of us Indians are a bunch of drunks and thieves don't you know. No matter how well I did my job, and I did it very well, I could never earn any respect from this manager because he hated Indians. I held on to that job until I found another(had a child to support and bills to pay) and then turned in a letter of resignation, copied to the home office. In the 6 months I worked there, I was never considered for a promotion and was passed over for people who weren't as capable or experienced as I was. He did however, make lewd comments about what he did consider me good for.
I filed complaints- they went nowhere. If the anti-discrimination laws had been enforced, that manager would have been fired and maybe sent to jail. Unfortunately, the laws are not enforced and people are discriminated against everyday because of their race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, martial and parenthood status, etc. It happens because most people don't do anything to stop it. If we all got on to our elected officials to enforce the laws, discrimination would greatly decrease.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 9:22:51 AM
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I would have a problem knowing that I had been denied a job I was capable of because of my skin color.
Which is why no one should be rejected for a school or for a job because of skin color, nor should one get an advantage because of a skin color.
MLK said in his "I have a dream" speech;
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
To bad it did not work out that way, as some skin colors (minorities) brings advantage. And when there is an advantage given to one class there is automatically disadvantage given to another.
I hope that king meant what he said, too bad others are seeking revenge and restitution instead of equality.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 11:39:38 AM
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The best way to level the playing field is to make sure that all children get a good education so that they are prepared for college and the workforce, and that means everyone becoming proactive in their local and county schools PTO's and monitoring the school board. Kids in low-income homes do need more help and more resources than kids in higher-income homes simply because they will not have the books, arts materials, and other intellectual stimulations that kids in higher-income situations. Donating books and art supplies to low-income schools and prgrams which give books to low-income kids, like RIF, can go a long way. Sponsoring a classroom can aid a group, such as a Sunday School class of either adults or kids, in making contact with individual teachers and helping them find the books and other materials they need to better teach and reach their students.
As the Ghost of Christmas Past said in A Christmas Carol, poverty and ignorance are the greatest threats to civilization, and ignorance is the more dangerous of the two. A trip to any jail or prison wll verify that to be a fact. Any person can overcome poverty if he or she has the mind and means to do it, and history is full of those who sought a better education knowing it was their way out of their circumstances. But ignorance keeps a person enslaved in poverty for the most part, as they do not have the knowledge needed to get up and out.
There are programs in many churches, like Dave Ramsey's course on smarter money management, which people have used to get out of debt and become more prosperous on the money they have. Budgeting is crucial to economic empowerment as you have to know how to handle it and make it work for you rather than spending it everywhich way. Most poor people do NOT understand the most basic concepts of budgeting. Wouldn't it be a "teach a man to fish" ministry to work with a church serving in a poor area to offer the folks in the community such a course and mentor them along? And don't teach just the adults but the kids as well. It is, however, on on-going commitment to do this. You don't just go in for a few weeks and then say "Ta-ta! Hope you folks have a nice life!"
You have to cultivate and maintain relationships with the people you are reaching out to, which is what Paul did in his ministry.
I know many here have criticized restitution movements, but few have said much or anything about reconciliation and relationship, which is what is most needed between the races. Stereotypes and other practices of racism are the result of ignorance and isolation, and is extremely un-Godly and anti-Christ. Judea in 1 AD was multi-ethnic, with Nazareth being the "wrong side of the tracks" neighborhood. Notice how the Scriptures in the New Testament speak of Gentile and Jew, or Roman, Greek, and Jew, but never is any mention made of skin color despite the fact that Roman citizens and Jews were of many ethnicities and races?
Jesus and the Apostles spent a great deal of time teaching about restoring relationships to Godly standards and reconciling with enemies. Emphasis was even given to employers and employees, masters and slaves with prohibitions on abuses and cheating those in your service of fair wages or treatment. Jesus, in the Parable of the Good Samartian, defines neighbor as every person, especially those who are different than oneself.
We are charged with uplifting our neighbors and treating other as we ourselves would like to be treated, and that involves a heck of a lot more than just smiling and being nice to others; it means being our brother's keeper, being a good neighbor, watching out for, giving a hand up, stepping in to stop injustice, and all sorts of other things that are costly to us in terms of time and even money. In short, sacrificing ourselves for the benefit of our fellow man and the glory of God.
If one is truly Christian, one would not engage in racism or discrimination of any sort, and would not tolerate others doing it either. And where injustice has deprived folks, the Christian steps in to offer aid, counsel, and right relationship to help their fellow man get up and out with dignity. Both become better and the richer for it along the way.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 11:56:45 AM
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"You do not take a person who has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him up to the starting line, and then tell him that he's free to race against all others and still justly believe that you have been completely fair."-Lyndon B. Johnson
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 1:59:38 PM
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"You do not take a person who has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him up to the starting line, and then tell him that he's free to race against all others and still justly believe that you have been completely fair."-Lyndon B. Johnson
Who is Lyndon B. Johnson? Oh yea, he is the guy that started the "Great Society" that included quotas, affirmitive action, unfair college entrance geared towards monorities, financial help based on color, money, medical, and housing for all of color (including those who refuse to work).
And the "Great Society" was great, the greatest failure of social engineering that the word has ever seen; which now has produced 3rd and 4th generation "Welfare mamas", and untold numbers of folks who feel they are inferior and stupid, and unable to compete in this world.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 3:22:35 PM
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"You do not take a person who has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him up to the starting line, and then tell him that he's free to race against all others and still justly believe that you have been completely fair."-Lyndon B. Johnson
Who is Lyndon B. Johnson? Oh yea, he is the guy that started the "Great Society" that included quotas, affirmitive action, unfair college entrance geared towards monorities, financial help based on color, money, medical, and housing for all of color (including those who refuse to work).
And the "Great Society" was great, the greatest failure of social engineering that the word has ever seen; which now has produced 3rd and 4th generation "Welfare mamas", and untold numbers of folks who feel they are inferior and stupid, and unable to compete in this world.
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I'm not going to deny him credit for his own quote!
Basically, the goal of Affirmative Action is equality. This is not racist. Has there been controversy? Yes. However, how do you feel about the "Legacy Clause" that allows for certain students who have a family legacy, admission to a college who may not normally of been accepted otherwise? This has largely benefited White students because at the time this was implemented, racial minorities did not have a family legacy in American colleges. At one time it was believed that Affirmative Action was the cause for a number of Asian Americans non-admittance into many colleges. However, upon further investigation, it's now believed that the "Legacy Clause" is the main reason. Another belief is that the group that benefited the most from Affirmative Action is White women.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 5:50:10 PM
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how do you feel about the "Legacy Clause" that allows for certain students who have a family legacy, admission to a college who may not normally of been accepted otherwise?
I think that it is just as wrong as affirmitive action and quotas.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 12/31/2007 8:03:21 PM
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Palehawkwoman, That was an excellent post. It's rather unfortunate that race is often associated with economic status. Race, in and of itself, has nothing to do with poverty or wealth. One of the things I have observed in my lifetime is that people seeking to better themselves, make life altering changes, no matter their race is that those immersed in the culture they are trying to leave will go to great lengths to drag them back down. It's like live king crabs in a tank at the restaurant or grocery store. There is nothing preventing them from crawling out, but as they climb, the other crabs pull them back down. I saw this in my own life when I left the druggy lifestyle and I've seen it in the lives of probationers I supervised.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2008 4:55:16 AM
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Affirmitive action was a stop gap measure that has lost its momentum and purpose. A bandaid that has peeled off after the wound has healed.
Any comparison to the times before affirmitive action to after aa is disingenious...at best. Face it. The times have changed. It was common in the past that people of color would not get a job or opportunity because of their skin color. Affirmitive action skewed this the other way, and it had a good effect for a while, but now is the time to junk it.
We have plenty of laws to protect minorities in these situations. Let them work. Unfortunately there is too much potential political hay to make from the race card...and a few livlihoods....for this issue to die the death it deserves.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2008 9:55:12 AM
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Affirmative action is, as with many things, man's attempt to compensate for man's own faulty nature. It wouldn't be necessary if those making decisions about hiring employees or college admissions actually based their decisions on individual merit. Too often they don't. So steps must be taken to get those sorts of people "out of the way" of the capable person who happens to be the "wrong color" in the eyes of the manager or admissions officer.
Blaming affirmative action as wrong because it has been misused is not that different a mental process from people saying Christianity is wrong because of the actions of individual Christians, is it?
Should an incompetent person of color be hired over a competent white person? No, and that's not what affirmative action was meant to facilitate. The problem is dis-proving that discrimination wasn't a factor in the decision.
People don't often realize their own latent prejudice, even if it seems innocuous.
I played a video of a Native blues group called "Indigenous" for a friend. "Wow, he's a pretty good guitar player for an Indian. He's as good as any those other guys (whites and blacks) he's jamming with."
I told some Christian friends about the doctoral project on Native Theology a friend of mine is working on, "I didn't know an Indian would even be interested in that sort of thing."
I walked into a restaurant with a Vietnamese friend. (who'd lived in the US since he was 12 years old) The waitress spoke to him in slow, small words, as though she were talking to a small child or even a dog, His response was hilarious "Lady, I think it's great that they let someone with your communication handicap work a job like this."
If otherwise "good" people have such tendencies, how much more so do we need something in place to thwart the actions of those who are more overtly racist. Like the college admissions director who admitted he randomly chose minority applicants from his "AF" stack, not caring about their actual qualifications, because "None of them can actually cut it in this school anyway, but the law's the law."
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2008 10:24:50 AM
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At work someone asked another person if they could borrow their "white out" referring to liquid paper. The person lent it to the guy and asked not to call it by that name again because it is a racial slur. Later the guy reported the person who asked for the white out as making racist remarks.
I never knew the term "white out" was a racist remark. This did not happen to me but it could have since I have also referred to liquid paper as "white out".
Hah. I used to work with a bunch of black guys in a warehouse. One was trying to act all "gangsta", and I ribbed him. "Alright, Notorious D.L.F".
The other black guys actually thought this was funny. One responded, "He's 1 Pac!"
I guess some black people take a lot less offense to certain thing than some white people.
Seriously, though, I heard a very political rapper say that he "has more in common with most poor and middle class white people than most rich black and latino people."
Though he also said that he had a problem with the white people who are the ones in power (politicians, corporation owners). Then again, a lot of white people would probably side with him on that.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2008 11:03:14 AM
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At work someone asked another person if they could borrow their "white out" referring to liquid paper. The person lent it to the guy and asked not to call it by that name again because it is a racial slur. Later the guy reported the person who asked for the white out as making racist remarks.
I never knew the term "white out" was a racist remark. This did not happen to me but it could have since I have also referred to liquid paper as "white out".
Hah. I used to work with a bunch of black guys in a warehouse. One was trying to act all "gangsta", and I ribbed him. "Alright, Notorious D.L.F".
The other black guys actually thought this was funny. One responded, "He's 1 Pac!"
I guess some black people take a lot less offense to certain thing than some white people.
Seriously, though, I heard a very political rapper say that he "has more in common with most poor and middle class white people than most rich black and latino people."
Though he also said that he had a problem with the white people who are the ones in power (politicians, corporation owners). Then again, a lot of white people would probably side with him on that.
Some people look for differences and some people look for the similarities. This statement goes across all skin tones.
Some people will hold a comment made to them by one person and apply the standard to the entire race. They live their lives with this prejudicial attitude and allow it to grow into a deep seeded bitter root. They take every comment and turn it into something racist. This is when it is their problem and not a problem of race.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2008 11:08:27 AM
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Affirmative action is, as with many things, man's attempt to compensate for man's own faulty nature. It wouldn't be necessary if those making decisions about hiring employees or college admissions actually based their decisions on individual merit. Too often they don't. So steps must be taken to get those sorts of people "out of the way" of the capable person who happens to be the "wrong color" in the eyes of the manager or admissions officer.
Blaming affirmative action as wrong because it has been misused is not that different a mental process from people saying Christianity is wrong because of the actions of individual Christians, is it?
Should an incompetent person of color be hired over a competent white person? No, and that's not what affirmative action was meant to facilitate. The problem is dis-proving that discrimination wasn't a factor in the decision.
People don't often realize their own latent prejudice, even if it seems innocuous.
I played a video of a Native blues group called "Indigenous" for a friend. "Wow, he's a pretty good guitar player for an Indian. He's as good as any those other guys (whites and blacks) he's jamming with."
I told some Christian friends about the doctoral project on Native Theology a friend of mine is working on, "I didn't know an Indian would even be interested in that sort of thing."
I walked into a restaurant with a Vietnamese friend. (who'd lived in the US since he was 12 years old) The waitress spoke to him in slow, small words, as though she were talking to a small child or even a dog, His response was hilarious "Lady, I think it's great that they let someone with your communication handicap work a job like this."
If otherwise "good" people have such tendencies, how much more so do we need something in place to thwart the actions of those who are more overtly racist. Like the college admissions director who admitted he randomly chose minority applicants from his "AF" stack, not caring about their actual qualifications, because "None of them can actually cut it in this school anyway, but the law's the law."
Do you think this applies to the black graduate whose child will be admitted to a university before a white child who was the first one in his family to ever attempt college?
Do you think this thought applies to the black business owner who has 100% black employees?
Do you think this thought applies to the all black universities and they receive federal aid.
OR Could it be a double standard?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2008 1:21:05 PM
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People don't often realize their own latent prejudice, even if it seems innocuous.
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Some people will hold a comment made to them by one person and apply the standard to the entire race. They live their lives with this prejudicial attitude and allow it to grow into a deep seeded bitter root. They take every comment and turn it into something racist. This is when it is their problem and not a problem of race.
I linked these two quotes together because they both make the same point. All of us hold on to some form or other of prejudice. For some it's race, for others it's gender, etc. We need to be aware of our biases and how they affect others.
I've known several women in my lifetime who, when confronted with an issue between self and a male, stated that it was because the male had issues with women rather than addressing their own conduct/perspective in the realtionship. At the same time, I've known some men who will dismiss the opinion of a female simply because of her gender.
It seems to me that holding these perspectives keeps us from having to look in the mirror to find a solution to a problem.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2008 5:11:12 PM
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If you base a decision on race then its racist.
Its also ignorance since how can a skin pigment accomplish something?
This poor decision making is not found in one race of man, but in every race of man.
There is absolutely no use for affirmitive action today. There was a purpose for affirmitive action in the late 60's and early 70's. It was to intergrate society, so to speak. To get more minorities in jobs like fireman and doctor and professional. Now, society has more diversity in its workforce and other avenues to address race issues.
If you have been prejudiced against....under the law....then sue or prosecute. If you think you have been slighted...welcome to the human race.
When we promise the good life without personal effort we diminish what it is to be human. As I said before, making decisions based on race is foolishness. Choosing a minority over a white person is no different than choosing a white person over a minority.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/1/2008 8:12:24 PM
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If you base a decision on race then its racist.
Its also ignorance since how can a skin pigment accomplish something?
This poor decision making is not found in one race of man, but in every race of man.
There is absolutely no use for affirmitive action today. There was a purpose for affirmitive action in the late 60's and early 70's. It was to intergrate society, so to speak. To get more minorities in jobs like fireman and doctor and professional. Now, society has more diversity in its workforce and other avenues to address race issues.
If you have been prejudiced against....under the law....then sue or prosecute. If you think you have been slighted...welcome to the human race.
When we promise the good life without personal effort we diminish what it is to be human. As I said before, making decisions based on race is foolishness. Choosing a minority over a white person is no different than choosing a white person over a minority.
In an earlier thread, you indicated that for awhile it had a good effect.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/2/2008 9:11:48 PM
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I would have a problem knowing that I had been denied a job I was capable of because of my skin color.
Actually I am light complected enough to pass white, until someone gets to looking at my facial features and asks if I'm Native American. Then they start asking if I drink or do drugs, do I know how to work every day or get to work on time, do I live in a teepee(?), and some other rather insulting questions. One manager at one job I worked actually inspected me every time I came to work to make sure I wasn't smuggling alcohol or drugs in, and every time I got off shift to make sure I wasn't stealing. Nobody else got this treatment and I was the only non-white working there. I had to empty my pockets, be frisked, take off my shoes and socks, and basically be humiliated in front of my fellow employees because all of us Indians are a bunch of drunks and thieves don't you know. No matter how well I did my job, and I did it very well, I could never earn any respect from this manager because he hated Indians. I held on to that job until I found another(had a child to support and bills to pay) and then turned in a letter of resignation, copied to the home office. In the 6 months I worked there, I was never considered for a promotion and was passed over for people who weren't as capable or experienced as I was. He did however, make lewd comments about what he did consider me good for.
I filed complaints- they went nowhere. If the anti-discrimination laws had been enforced, that manager would have been fired and maybe sent to jail. Unfortunately, the laws are not enforced and people are discriminated against everyday because of their race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, martial and parenthood status, etc. It happens because most people don't do anything to stop it. If we all got on to our elected officials to enforce the laws, discrimination would greatly decrease.
I can't believe people will ask such questions. Wait a minute. Yes I can. As an African-American I do get asked silly questions: "Why doesn't black people's hair grow?" or "Do black people sleep on their hands so their heads don't hit the pillow as to not mess up their hair?" or "How often do you wash your hair" and my personal favorite "Since dark colors attract heat aren't you warmer than the rest of us?" 
It really makes me upset when in church people make assumptions about me because of the color of my skin. Thankfully it hasn't happen too much at church.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/3/2008 8:18:19 AM
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it had a good effect.
In the beginning of AA it did have a beneficial effect...even though basically it was just as prejudicial as the previous systems. People needed to be intergrated and this was one way.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 1/3/2008 11:44:07 AM
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ORIGINAL: PaleHawkWoman
I would have a problem knowing that I had been denied a job I was capable of because of my skin color.
Actually I am light complected enough to pass white, until someone gets to looking at my facial features and asks if I'm Native American. Then they start asking if I drink or do drugs, do I know how to work every day or get to work on time, do I live in a teepee(?), and some other rather insulting questions. One manager at one job I worked actually inspected me every time I came to work to make sure I wasn't smuggling alcohol or drugs in, and every time I got off shift to make sure I wasn't stealing. Nobody else got this treatment and I was the only non-white working there. I had to empty my pockets, be frisked, take off my shoes and socks, and basically be humiliated in front of my fellow employees because all of us Indians are a bunch of drunks and thieves don't you know. No matter how well I did my job, and I did it very well, I could never earn any respect from this manager because he hated Indians. I held on to that job until I found another(had a child to support and bills to pay) and then turned in a letter of resignation, copied to the home office. In the 6 months I worked there, I was never considered for a promotion and was passed over for people who weren't as capable or experienced as I was. He did however, make lewd comments about what he did consider me good for.
I filed complaints- they went nowhere. If the anti-discrimination laws had been enforced, that manager would have been fired and maybe sent to jail. Unfortunately, the laws are not enforced and people are discriminated against everyday because of their race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, martial and parenthood status, etc. It happens because most people don't do anything to stop it. If we all got on to our elected officials to enforce the laws, discrimination would greatly decrease.
I can't believe people will ask such questions. Wait a minute. Yes I can. As an African-American I do get asked silly questions: "Why doesn't black people's hair grow?" or "Do black people sleep on their hands so their heads d | | |
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