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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/22/2008 8:29:28 AM
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Are you aprehensive to admit you are going to vote for McCain with minorities? I know at work I can't do this, not without consequences.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/22/2008 9:59:42 AM
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Will the membership of the KKK enlarge if Obama wins?
There is not enough real Klansmen in the USA to have a decent cross burning anymore!.
I doubt they could muster the numbers to qualify for a Fourth of July wienie
roast.
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Actually this is not true. (Unless your definition of a "real" Klansman that is different from what has been statistically reported). In any event, the KKK is definitely present in significant numbers in the US. And there are a number of other hate groups with similar missions as the KKK that are also quite active across the US (Neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, Skinheads Hammerskins, Vineland - and the like). The Neo-Nazi's have surpassed the KKK in terms of numbers of chapters (196 around the country, where the clan has 164 in chapters in different cities all across the U.S.). Here is a map and description of the active groups as tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center: Southern Poverty Law Center Link.
The FBI also reports that there have been an almost 30% increase in hate crimes directed at Latinos since 2003. (Not hate groups, but hate crimes). The latest statistics available online are for 2006, so I'm not quite sure how many of these crimes have been reported more recently.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/22/2008 10:29:48 AM
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This is Satans world and that means evil , As far as Ethnicity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
I am of the Human Race not the Nascar race or the horse race or any other race, Cut me i bleed red if you dont your not human . We as Christians Love every ETHNICITY no matter were thay came from ,We as Americans are of the world and are not being Christanlike in our opinions. We fight evil and crush Satan and all who follow him using Spiritualpowers of combat. If we Follow the Word of our God we live in Love. The border patrol and Laws or for the evil not the just in America and all other countries. This country is a Melting Pot of all Ethnicity including Christians who are the crystal ( clear ) ones ,of our Gods word. Why we humans want to put other humans of diffrent skin tones in a race is boyond me. We have diffrent Ethnic backgrounds so we like diffrent things diffrent ways but our God in Heaven loves us all the same. It nice to be a American but it is nothing like being a Christian, I can love you even if you hate me , I do agree with most posts here just want to deposit some more to think about ,God Bless us all. Try to see with ((transparent)) eyes,( a few definitions,)****** Letting all the light through so that objects on the other side can be seen clearly .***** See-through, clear; having the property that light passes through it almost undisturbed, such that one can see through it clearly; Open, public; having the property that theories and practices are publicly visible, thereby reducing the chance of corruption; Obvious; readily apparent; easy to ...
I had a hard time following some of what you said, but I do agree with what I understood. Yes, the bible does say that satan is prince of this world - and though the earth is the Lord's and He is in control, Satan is a great power in this world and causes division and discord. The ultimate player of the race card is satan himself, who plays it over and over again in all of our minds to get us as Christians to hate, distrust, and devour one another and the very people that we are commanded to share the gospel with. Most craftily - he mixes the gospel with racism (or patriotism or political leanings or nationality or something else) and if we are not careful, we will easily ingest it and propogate a false gospel - one that is BASED on what we are (pro-life, pro-Republican, pro-Democrat, pro-Family/anti-Gay, pro-American, pro-Feminist, pro-Tolerance, pro-Israel, pro-Poor, pro-Black, pro-White, pro-Hispanic etc.) instead of on the death and resurrection of our dear Lord Jesus Christ. His great command is that we love one another. It doesn't matter how biblical we are in our stance if we don't love one another.
We can praise God for the land in which we live in - we can thank God for our bodies or appreciate our cultural traditions - but nothing takes the place of Jesus Christ - and if we elevate anything else above him (political party, skin color, nationality, ethnicity, position, gender, etc.) then it is an idol. We can have all of the conversations that we want about this - and I don't think that the conversations are necessarily bad. But really, only the Lord can touch a heart to bring about true change. The more the Lord changes you, the more at odds you are with your culture and with society. So, in the case of race (which is the subject of this thread), if you embrace what the Lord says concerning race - you will be at odds with the societal view - which says that X people are better than Y people - Z people are violent by nature - Q people cannot be trusted - R people are just coming to take all of our jobs - R people are lazy - N people are .... well you get the picture. In every society it is the same pack of lies devised by satan - only the group of people who whom it is applied (blacks, whites, gypsies, basques, hutsi's, irish protestants, irish catholics, etc.) are different. But the outcome is the same. Division, hatred, and discord. And as soon as you embrace what God says and let him change your heart, you'll see that a lot of these attitudes are not only prevalent in the society, but often in the institutional church as well - although it lurks beneath the surface. If we have problems in this area, we have to pray that the Lord will change our hearts so that we may truly love one another.
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Yes - now THIS is the truth. Amen!
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/25/2008 3:16:57 PM
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I don't care for the content of Obama's character. I think it is disgusting that he plays the race card so much. Sometimes he tries to disguise it as other things.
I think people tend to read the race card into things he says because of the color of his skin. Also, merely accusing someone of "playing the race card" is often more politically powerful than actually playing said card.
Obama, himself, has been reminding people in his speeches that he is black, that he has a "funny sounding name", etc. It is reminiscent of John Kerry constantly reminding people he fought in Vietnam. Is Obama insecure in his "blackness" because he is mixed race?
McCain has NEVER said anything racially provocative in this campaign.
If Obama has his supporters are so racially sensitive maybe they would help themselves out if they would simply shut up about this issue because it is obviously NOT coming from the McCain camp.
I've also never heard McCain remind folks that he's white.
I'm really not a McCain fan (although I do like Palin) it's just that I can't stand Obama.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/25/2008 4:22:58 PM
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Are you aprehensive to admit you are going to vote for McCain with minorities? I know at work I can't do this, not without consequences.
No I am not apprehensive about admitting who I support for President.
Folks do not like it; then they can lump it.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/25/2008 4:35:22 PM
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Actually this is not true. (Unless your definition of a "real" Klansman that is different from what has been statistically reported). In any event, the KKK is definitely present in significant numbers in the US. And there are a number of other hate groups with similar missions as the KKK that are also quite active across the US (Neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, Skinheads Hammerskins, Vineland - and the like). The Neo-Nazi's have surpassed the KKK in terms of numbers of chapters (196 around the country, where the clan has 164 in chapters in different cities all across the U.S.). Here is a map and description of the active groups as tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center: Southern Poverty Law Center Link.
The FBI also reports that there have been an almost 30% increase in hate crimes directed at Latinos since 2003. (Not hate groups, but hate crimes). The latest statistics available online are for 2006, so I'm not quite sure how many of these crimes have been reported more recently.
You neglected to mention how many members of the KKK are presently active in the USA.
If you are going to challenge my statement please supply some numbers and links.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/26/2008 5:28:30 AM
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Actually this is not true. (Unless your definition of a "real" Klansman that is different from what has been statistically reported). In any event, the KKK is definitely present in significant numbers in the US. And there are a number of other hate groups with similar missions as the KKK that are also quite active across the US (Neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, Skinheads Hammerskins, Vineland - and the like). The Neo-Nazi's have surpassed the KKK in terms of numbers of chapters (196 around the country, where the clan has 164 in chapters in different cities all across the U.S.). Here is a map and description of the active groups as tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Center: Southern Poverty Law Center Link.
The FBI also reports that there have been an almost 30% increase in hate crimes directed at Latinos since 2003. (Not hate groups, but hate crimes). The latest statistics available online are for 2006, so I'm not quite sure how many of these crimes have been reported more recently.
You neglected to mention how many members of the KKK are presently active in the USA.
If you are going to challenge my statement please supply some numbers and links.
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Certainly.
While the Klan is does not have as many members as it once did (at its height there were 60,000 members in the 1960s and the latest estimate that I found (2006) has put their numbers to around 5,000 to 8,000) - it appears that the Klan is experiencing a resurgence of late as they rally around the issues of gay marriage, crime, and immigration. Additionally, as I stated in my previous post, there are newer groups that have a similar mission, that have arisen and are forming alliances with the Klan and other organizations (most noteably the National Socialist Movement - which is supposedly the most active Neo Nazi party in the US - but I have not yet been able to determine whether that is a bit of advertising generated by NSM to get new members or if this is an objective fact). So while, each of these groups individually might not have large numbers, aggregate totals are quite significant. So, while not as active as in years past, the KKK definitely has enough members for a wienie roast and has a number of partners to choose from with which to co-host the event.
In addition to the Southern Poverty Law center link which I provided in my original post, here are others:
Resurgence Information:
ADL Overview
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/intro.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk
Klan Recent Developments
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/new_groups.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk
Klan Geographic Expansion
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/expansion.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk
Christian Science Monitor Overview:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0209/p02s02-ussc.html
*Excerpt: I'm listing this excerpt here because the nature of membership is changing a bit. This is a bit outside the scope of our conversation, but an important factor none-the-less.
"But, he adds, "The whole nature of hate group membership has changed with the advent of the Internet. You can take bits and pieces from whatever group you like without necessarily becoming a card- carrying member.
Although some KKK adherents still don robes and pointed hoods to hold rallies and burn crosses, younger followers are more likely to look like skinheads or neo-Nazis, decorated with racist tattoos and listening to white power rock bands such as Skrewdriver and Brutal Attack. "
This is a significant statement considering the secrecy surrounding membership of the Klan. The idea of being able to be part of this group in your actions without being a member is an important one, I think.
ADL Klan Affiliations Overview:
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/affiliations.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk
Racist Skinhead Groups Listing by State:
http://www.adl.org/racist_skinheads/skinhead_alpha_list.asp
*Note - I put "Racist" before skinhead groups because not every skinhead group is racist.
Growth of Racist Skinhead Groups
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/NeoSk_82/4860_82.htm
Growth of Hate Groups in General
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=627
And of Neo Nazi Groups (there has been a huge restructuring however due to recent scandals)
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1037
I know that there are more links (including the FBI one), but I need to get to work. I'll check back this weekend if I can so that we can continue the conversation if you so desire.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/26/2008 10:12:13 AM
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The KKK is currently recruiting new members in our area, but they are totally wrapped up in illegal immigration. They are telling people basically that you don't have to hate anyone who is black or hispanic; you just have to be against illegals to be "like-minded."
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/26/2008 11:02:22 AM
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While the Klan is does not have as many members as it once did (at its height there were 60,000 members in the 1960s and the latest estimate that I found (2006) has put their numbers to around 5,000 to 8,000) -
So even using your figures there are not near as many "Klansmen" as there are Black Panthers or Crypts, or Bloods.
Your numbers also point out the point i was making; that the Klan is passe'.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 2:48:22 AM
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While the Klan is does not have as many members as it once did (at its height there were 60,000 members in the 1960s and the latest estimate that I found (2006) has put their numbers to around 5,000 to 8,000) -
So even using your figures there are not near as many "Klansmen" as there are Black Panthers or Crypts, or Bloods.
Your numbers also point out the point i was making; that the Klan is passe'.
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The point that I was challenging you on was not about which gang or hate group (technically, there is a difference) has the most members. The point that I challenged you on was your assertion that KKK does not have enough members for a "weenie roast" (or is passe). If I only looked at the figures in isolation, then yes I would agree with you. But I can't agree with you because:
1. While the Klan does not have the same numbers of members as it had during its height in the 1960s, there are very strong indicators that the Klan has been expanding in recent years.
2. The Klan is coordinating and aligning themselves with like-minded Neo Nazi hate groups - some of which have an even larger membership than the Klan. Therefore the Klan still has some influence in the white supremacist "movement."
Note: For the record, a hate group is defined as:
An organized group or movement that advocates hate, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society.
The Black Panther Party (by which I think you mean the New Black Panther Party since the original one is officially defunct) is one of the best counterparts to the Klan in terms of stated current mission and actual actions (white supremacist "movement" vs. black supremacist "movement"; both include anti-semetic views). There are about 35 chapters of the New Black Panther Party. Do you happen to have membership numbers for this group? If so, could you provide links please?
In contrast, the Crips and Bloods (as well as the various Mafias or gangs that are made up primarily of another one ethnic group - such as the Armenian Power in LA who regularly fight with Maratrucha Salvadora - or MS13) are sociologically identified as "gangs." A gang is:
A group of people who through the organization, formation, and establishment of an assemblage share a common identity.
Gangs can be violent (like the crips and bloods) or not. The reason that I make the distinction is because crips and bloods tend to target each other as well as members of the surrounding community - and do not indicate (on the internet or other materials that I've seen) that they primarily target people based on race (unlike the KKK, Neo-Nazis, or the Nation of Islam).
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 2:49:41 AM
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The KKK is currently recruiting new members in our area, but they are totally wrapped up in illegal immigration. They are telling people basically that you don't have to hate anyone who is black or hispanic; you just have to be against illegals to be "like-minded."
This is interesting and is somewhat consistent with the findings of my research. However, I've not heard them suspend their rule of hating blacks and hispanics in favor of being against illegals. Maybe they are trying to align themselves with more mainstream groups?
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 8:07:11 AM
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60,000 members in the 1960s
If I remember correctly the Klan had a mebership over a million before the turn of the century.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 9:03:09 AM
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1. While the Klan does not have the same numbers of members as it had during its height in the 1960s, there are very strong indicators that the Klan has been expanding in recent years.
Which makes my point; the Klan (Acutally not THE Klan, but a few splinter groups) is not a vialbe force nor a problem anymore.
And just what "Very strong Indicators" would you be speaking to; probably just vain inaginations of folks that do not understand what is goiing on in the world of hate groups of all colors.
And the Height of the Klam would have been during Reconstruction during the late 1800's,and through the very early 1900's, that was welll before it became a social group with membership roles etc.
The Klan is passe'; the few folks that claim to be Klansmen have not done anything noteworthy (Good or bad) in nearly half a century. And yet when folks want to speak to racism they trot out the defunct Klan as their whipping boy (so to speak).
It would seem that there are enough bona fide hate groups (of all colors) to speak to whithout the necesssity of dragging up an old nearly defunct group. I guess there were just too many movies made of he white sheeted good ole boys burning a cross to ever get out of the psyche.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 10:15:50 AM
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Good morning RCJames,
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And the Height of the Klam would have been during Reconstruction during the late 1800's,and through the very early 1900's, that was welll before it became a social group with membership roles etc.
You are correct that the height of Klan "membership" was in the early 1900s. I stand corrected.
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And just what "Very strong Indicators" would you be speaking to; probably just vain inaginations of folks that do not understand what is goiing on in the world of hate groups of all colors.
I disagree. The sources that I've supplied have been monitoring and studying hate groups for many years. The ADL began its work in 1913, and the Southern Poverty Law Center (formerly known as KlanWatch) has been studying and providing legal action against hate groups since 1971. They do monitor hate groups of all colors by the way. I've mentioned the Klan and Neo Nazi organizations primarily because I was responding to your assertion. (I did also mention the New Black Panther Party and the Nation of Islam, which are also tracked by these organizations.) Additionally, I was able to gather some information from the FBI publically available materials. Therefore, my assertions are not based on the vain imaginings of folks who do not understand the world of hate groups. Rather they are based on the expertise of organizations that have been studying this sociological phenomena for many years. Let me turn the tables a bit - other than the current membership figures - on what are you basing the assertion that the Klan is no longer a problem? If you have more information on this - I would love to learn more.
I've shared the "very strong indicators" in my previous posts in this thread and provided links as you requested. Indicators include the increase in the numbers of chapters, the increase in hate crimes, and the fact that they are making alliances with Neo Nazi organizations, as well as changes in terms of Klan strategy for recruitment and PR. I would add that it seems - in general - that scarcity of resources (jobs, food, money) can also exacerbate deeply held tensions and prejudices; with the current state of our economy I think that we should keep this in mind when it comes to hate groups. One point that I did not bring up earlier is that membership in the Klan has ebbed and flowed through the 20th century (from its 20th century peak in the 1920s, to the sharp decline in the 30s, to the increase in the 60s). Therefore, it is not unreasonable, given the history of membership fluccuation, that there is a possibility that today's low numbers can become higher. For all of these reasons, I disagree with your assertion that the Klan is passe or no longer a problem. Instead, the Klan must still be watched and confronted when necessary. We've seen hate groups almost wither and die only to see them come back again. One noteable example in Europe is the Nazi movement - which morphed into the Neo Nazi movement - which is currently a problem in Europe and abroad.
For your information, here are a couple of other news reports specifically on the resurrgence of the Klan that I found during my research.
(Source: Fox News, Oklahoma (Fox, channel 23))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmLbMOPFcmk
(Source: Fox News, Chicago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nid7PRNQ5F0&feature=related
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It would seem that there are enough bona fide hate groups (of all colors) to speak to whithout the necesssity of dragging up an old nearly defunct group. I guess there were just too many movies made of he white sheeted good ole boys burning a cross to ever get out of the psyche.
While I disagree with some statements that you've made here ("dragging up an old nearly defunct group") - I've written about this at length in this post and others and so will not beat a dead horse - I do agree that there are many hate groups of all colors that must be monitored and dealt as necessary. I also do agree that part of the reason the Klan is mentioned more often than say, the National Socialist Movement, is because we have more images of the Klan in our collective cultural memory.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 1:05:14 PM
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I disagree. The sources that I've supplied have been monitoring and studying hate groups for many years. The ADL began its work in 1913, and the Southern Poverty Law Center (formerly known as KlanWatch) has been studying and providing legal action against hate groups since 1971. we have more images of the Klan in our collective cultural memory.
Oh my goodness, if you are using these ADL and/or the SPLC for your info; then you are being sorely misinformed.
ADL and SPLC are two of the most racist groups in America if not the world. They both are agenda driven and give out very skewed information to support their agenda.
Going to them is like going to the Daily Kos for the truth on the conservatives.
I would suggest to go to some of the govenment census sites for a little more "Honesty" in reporting.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 2:31:19 PM
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I disagree. The sources that I've supplied have been monitoring and studying hate groups for many years. The ADL began its work in 1913, and the Southern Poverty Law Center (formerly known as KlanWatch) has been studying and providing legal action against hate groups since 1971. we have more images of the Klan in our collective cultural memory.
Oh my goodness, if you are using these ADL and/or the SPLC for your info; then you are being sorely misinformed.
ADL and SPLC are two of the most racist groups in America if not the world. They both are agenda driven and give out very skewed information to support their agenda.
Going to them is like going to the Daily Kos for the truth on the conservatives.
I would suggest to go to some of the govenment census sites for a little more "Honesty" in reporting.
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I challenge the fact that you are challenging the validity of the ADL and SPLC, particularly given the fact that these sources have been used by the mainstream press and other organizations - including Fox news which has often been accused of being conservative and agenda driven by the left (please see the links to the news reports that I included in my previous post). These organizations have also partnered with the Federal Government on various issues (for example - they are on the list of the FBI's outreach partners when it comes to identifying and reporting hate crimes). So I am a bit confused - what evidence are you using to back up your claim that the "ADL and SPLC are two of the most racist groups in America if not the world"? Are you simply employing hyperbole (the world - really?) or are you stating an opinion backed by facts? What scale are you using to rank the level of racism for a given group? Is there an objective measure (I'd be very interested to see this if it exists). I'd love to hear your responses to these questions. If you are going to challenge their validity, I'd appreciate it if you'd please include links (or some sort of source data if it isn't online) as well. Thank you!
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 2:37:41 PM
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The KKK is currently recruiting new members in our area, but they are totally wrapped up in illegal immigration. They are telling people basically that you don't have to hate anyone who is black or hispanic; you just have to be against illegals to be "like-minded."
This is interesting and is somewhat consistent with the findings of my research. However, I've not heard them suspend their rule of hating blacks and hispanics in favor of being against illegals. Maybe they are trying to align themselves with more mainstream groups?
I certainly don't think they've suspended any hatred; I think they're just trying to look more appealing to some who may be on the fence. (Or yes, trying to align themselves with more mainstream groups.) I worked in TV news for many years, so I might be more up to speed on what's going on in that regard than other people in my city. You might also find it interesting that they are promoting their group name first and KKK quasi-hidden. That's another recruiting tool I'm sure. AND, my city doesn't have a "chapter" or whatever they call them. Groups from other cities are recruiting here. (Check your local Craig's List.  )
About two years ago, a Klan group from a city about five hours away held an anti-immigration rally here. I'm guessing they had about 30 members? demonstrating in front of our city hall. I was gratified to see several thousand show up to demonstrate against the Klan members. They put up a fence to keep protesters away from them, but they still had to call in police officers from all over to keep the Klan members safe.
Stellaluna,
Very interesting - and it would be quite consistent with what I have been been reading. I'm curious - when the reporters in your news station wanted to do research on groups like the Klan or other hate groups - where did they go to get information? When I was researching this in response to the thread, I traced back their source information so that I could see where all of this was coming from. One of my concerns about the Klan is that the recruiting tactics have changed. If I had time, I would love to do a study of Neo Nazi group recruiting tactics and how it has changed with the advent of the Internet - particularly in Europe. It would be interesting to know if the Klan is mirroring some of what they did. It is the trend that I think is worth watching more than the actual numbers of members themselves.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 5:22:03 PM
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Well, since we were concerned only with local news, our research only took place via local sources--namely our own police and a few attorneys. We also got information from the various groups' websites and attempted to get interviews with them. I don't think we were able to interview any members, if memory serves.
One good thing that came out of that Klan rally back in 2006 was the creation of Unity Day. The first one happened that same day as the rally, but it has continued the past two summers.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 5:48:13 PM
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One good thing that came out of that Klan rally back in 2006 was the creation of Unity Day. The first one happened that same day as the rally, but it has continued the past two summers.
Wow - what a great idea! I think it is a powerful statement when you see people of all races and backgrounds coming together to stand against this sort of thing.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 8:08:46 PM
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2008 10:09:40 PM
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We've seen hate groups almost wither and die only to see them come back again. One noteable example in Europe is the Nazi movement - which morphed into the Neo Nazi movement - which is currently a problem in Europe and abroad.
Oh yes, Skinheads that are hates groups are a plague, they are ative in at least 33 countries, very violent indeed. In Brazil they beat up and kill homeless, homosexuals, people from northeast o Brasil, hate the Jews and many others they find the paria of their societies and communities..even beat up policeman if they are on patrol by themselves or anyone who try to help their victims, when skinheads are in more numbers than those around..very violent indeed.
Many in Brasil were surprised when the police captured skinheads group and the midia was showing them at the police station called them neonazists..but people may have printed a stereotype from movies etc of skinheads as white etc and those were brown and etc people end up making fun "how ridiculous Brazil to have skinheads brown etc"but then a sociologyst and expert said that was mistake of the midia, to call those neonazist, but they are from different skinhead ideology, mostly anti-semite and homosexuals but not racial hate, as among them there are black members.
There is a necessity to study the hate groups very much so as they are growing all over the place and their mark among many nations is to hate immigrants, Jews, homosexuals, xenophobics, races , etc plus in many countries they have connection whith neo fascist, as extreme right parties but as much those parties have those groups adherentes they may have to keep them into check because their violent actions etc
Hope the Governments agencies do keep those groups and gangs in check because they are terrorists also wanting to bring chaos to societies.
edited to correct neo-nazist and sociologist.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 9/28/2008 6:04:01 AM
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We've seen hate groups almost wither and die only to see them come back again. One noteable example in Europe is the Nazi movement - which morphed into the Neo Nazi movement - which is currently a problem in Europe and abroad.
Oh yes, Skinheads that are hates groups are a plague, they are ative in at least 33 countries, very violent indeed. In Brazil they beat up and kill homeless, homosexuals, people from northeast o Brasil, hate the Jews and many others they find the paria of their societies and communities..even beat up policeman if they are on patrol by themselves or anyone who try to help their victims, when skinheads are in more numbers than those around..very violent indeed.
Many in Brasil were surprised when the police captured skinheads group and the midia was showing them at the police station called them neonazists..but people may have printed a stereotype from movies etc of skinheads as white etc and those were brown and etc people end up making fun "how ridiculous Brazil to have skinheads brown etc"but then a sociologyst and expert said that was mistake of the midia, to call those neonazist, but they are from different skinhead ideology, mostly anti-semite and homosexuals but not racial hate, as among them there are black members.
There is a necessity to study the hate groups very much so as they are growing all over the place and their mark among many nations is to hate immi | | |
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