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Fritzpw_Admin -> Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (11/20/2007 1:14:42 PM)

It is no secret that racial issues continue to be a topic given much attention by the media.

Discuss the most recent racial issues being reported in the news today.

Welcome to the one stop thread for racial issues in the news.



TomTurn -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 2:17:56 PM)

Continuing the discussion of Sheriff Joe

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What ethnic slur would you like law enforcement officers to apply to you?


The ones that are true. Heck I am proud of some of them, that is how you remove any power they might have.

But not knowing the whole situation cannot say if Joe should have fired him or not.


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The N word is related to slavery and the degradation of African Americans and in another thread you mentioned an aversion to such an institution. Or are you running for President too?


Am not aware of the mention you are refering to and I do not use the term African American.

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And I am just an American who believes America is made of of immigrants from all over the world and EVERY ONE OF THEM is a person deserving my respect of them


Would let's say, Charles Ng be deserving of your respect?

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and for their culture.


"Radical islamics" live in America, do you respect their culture?

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Except for the Native Americans (who immigrated via land bridge) everyone is descended from someone from somewhere else.

Maybe you need to come to LA and visit the Museum of Tolerance!


The land bridge is a therory but studies are showing that the land bridge was most likely closed off much south of Alaska till about 13,000 BC, yet Central America was populated at 40,000 BC. Why do you think "native americans" were is such a twitter over the discovery of Kennewick Man and destroyed the site where he was found?

But that is another discussion

Do I think the cadet should use the language? No

Do I think Joe should have fired him? Do not know the whole story.



mapachito13 -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 2:38:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

Am not aware of the mention you are refering to and I do not use the term African American.


What term would you use?

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Would let's say, Charles Ng be deserving of your respect?


As much as Timothy McVeigh before they started killing people!

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"Radical islamics" live in America, do you respect their culture?


It's Islamists. No. But I don't agree with native born pedophiles or the KKK either.

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Do I think the cadet should use the language? No

Do I think Joe should have fired him? Do not know the whole story.


That's where you and I differ on this issue. It's enough for me that he used the N word repeatedly.



JimboFletch -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 2:51:25 PM)

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Would let's say, Charles Ng be deserving of your respect?

What part of the atrocities committed by Ng was because of his race? There have been billions of Chinese that never raped, tortured, and murdered people for personal pleasure.



TomTurn -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 2:56:43 PM)

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What part of the atrocities committed by Ng was because of his race? There have been billions of Chinese that never raped, tortured, and murdered people for personal pleasure.


The poster said every immigrant. I pulled the name of one immigrant.

Go fish elsewhere



earthless -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 3:08:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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What part of the atrocities committed by Ng was because of his race? There have been billions of Chinese that never raped, tortured, and murdered people for personal pleasure.


The poster said every immigrant. I pulled the name of one immigrant.

Go fish elsewhere


TomTurn,

No need to get defensive, Jimbo simply responded to a point you made. And rightfully so....

We're all immigrants, some of us just don't admit it.



TomTurn -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 3:14:56 PM)

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We're all immigrants, some of us just don't admit it.


I did not immigrate. Still living in the country I was born in.

Some of us do not buy into leftist hype

Immigrant - NOUN: A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.



mapachito13 -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 3:37:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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We're all immigrants, some of us just don't admit it.


I did not immigrate. Still living in the country I was born in.

Some of us do not buy into leftist hype

Immigrant - NOUN: A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.


Colossians 3:11 "There is no Greek or Jew here, circumcised or uncircumcised, foreigner, Scythian, slave, or freeman. Rather, Christ is everything in all of you."

I am sorry you think of your heritage as leftist hype. I am sure your leftist hype were very fine PEOPLE.



JimboFletch -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 3:40:50 PM)

I refuse to feed the troll.



earthless -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 3:42:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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We're all immigrants, some of us just don't admit it.


I did not immigrate. Still living in the country I was born in.

Some of us do not buy into leftist hype

Immigrant - NOUN: A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.


Same here, born and raised. The point, that you missed, is that no one but perhaps old school Mexicans and Native American Indians are native to this land - we're all immigrants. Whatever your ethnic background may be, that is where you originally come from.

I always find it funny that a lot of my Irish friends don't realize they were the Mexicans of the 1700's... and look at them now. But it won't take the Mexican community 200-300 years to achieve what a lot of major city Irish have.



WesP -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 3:48:39 PM)

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What ethnic slur would you like law enforcement officers to apply to you?


The ones that are true. Heck I am proud of some of them, that is how you remove any power they might have.


What determines this truth? Would it offend you if someone broke out with a commentary on golliwoggs (Florence Kate Upton) in reference to African Americans? You will not be able to remove this power because both sides of the fence perpetually act to maintain it, and that is a very sad thing.



TomTurn -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 3:57:26 PM)

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Same here, born and raised. The point, that you missed, is that no one but perhaps old school Mexicans and Native American Indians are native to this land - we're all immigrants.


No I understand the point and whether you believe in Creation or evolution, no ones ancestors were born on the ground that we now call the United States. My ancestors immigrated to the U.S. and were immigrants, that is true but I did not, I am not an immigrant. I do not fit the definition. Neither does the baby born on in the U.S. who's parents are here illegally. That baby is not an immigrant, that is the law.

Just do not like the attempt to change the true defintion of a word to fit an agenda.



WesP -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 4:02:34 PM)

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Just do not like the attempt to change the true defintion of a word to fit an agenda.


That wipes out politics! [;)]



mapachito13 -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 4:07:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

That baby is not an immigrant, that is the law.

Just do not like the attempt to change the true defintion of a word to fit an agenda.


No. That baby if born here is considered a US citiizen, hence, not technically an immigrant.



earthless -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 4:16:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

No I understand the point and whether you believe in Creation or evolution,
I'm a Christian, I believe in Intelligent Design.


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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

no ones ancestors were born on the ground that we now call the United States.


Yet, many Americans with European ethnic backgrounds act and talk as if they have always been here and in the right.


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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

My ancestors immigrated to the U.S. and were immigrants, that is true but I did not, I am not an immigrant. I do not fit the definition.


And many of the "brown" people that are spoken ill against are just like you - born and raised Americans who happen to have strong ties to their ethnic backgrounds.


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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

Neither does the baby born on in the U.S. who's parents are here illegally. That baby is not an immigrant, that is the law.



Which many now, conveniently, want to change.


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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

Just do not like the attempt to change the true defintion of a word to fit an agenda.


Welcome to American politics 101 - be it Republican or Democrat.



mapachito13 -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 4:52:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

And many of the "brown" people that are spoken ill against are just like you - born and raised Americans who happen to have strong ties to their ethnic backgrounds.


Here in SoCal some wear tee shirts with the slogan, "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!" The Gabrialino and Chumash native americans were first followed by the Spanish and after independence the Mexicans. LA (California) wasn't part of the US until 1848 but we sure inheirited a lot of ex-Mexican citizens! It nice living in a place with many different colors. How exciting is a one-color piece of paper?



lightshineon -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 6:54:58 PM)

No, the graduate is not of good charecter to call someone that, though, maybe we all have done things in the past we are not proud of. Maybe training and re-educating this man would have been an option.



TomTurn -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 8:44:17 PM)

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Here in SoCal some wear tee shirts with the slogan, "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!" The Gabrialino and Chumash native americans were first followed by the Spanish and after independence the Mexicans. LA (California) wasn't part of the US until 1848 but we sure inheirited a lot of ex-Mexican citizens! It nice living in a place with many different colors. How exciting is a one-color piece of paper?


Now I am not saying this in a mean way to you. And all of you can say go and play with your tinfoil hat

But

Mark this date down and in 5 years from today what you are going to see over California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona is a new flag of a Mexican styled Palestinian nation. Not that it will be that but it will be claimed as that. Trust me, the numbers are here, protests are already happening and will soon be followed by more agitation and then violence.

And if anyone thinks the bad element in Mexico and Central/South America will not join hands with the bad islamic element, I would ask them to think again.

Mexico has never been an ally with the U.S. Even in WWII they allowed German spies to operate within the country. There has been a rif since the 1840's and it will get worse and soon. Has been a long time coming.



stampinlady -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 9:29:31 PM)

Machu. said, " So the possible financial outlay from a lawsuit bothers you more than his overt racism? "

Sorry, didn't think I needed to mention it.[sm=crazy.gif]



SonInMe1 -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/16/2008 9:49:54 PM)

When you take pride in your culture, prejudices occur.

Culture is man made, not from God.

I could care less about your skin pigment, your ancestors birth place, or whatever else you worship about yourself over God.

God is important. Everything else is secondary.

You only define yourself when you use racial slurs...or your education...or the heat of the moment. Ya know, sometimes we can say some pretty hurtful things in a moment of passion. Maybe we should not, no doubt, but, we often do.



mapachito13 -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/17/2008 10:03:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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Here in SoCal some wear tee shirts with the slogan, "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!" The Gabrialino and Chumash native americans were first followed by the Spanish and after independence the Mexicans. LA (California) wasn't part of the US until 1848 but we sure inheirited a lot of ex-Mexican citizens! It nice living in a place with many different colors. How exciting is a one-color piece of paper?


Now I am not saying this in a mean way to you. And all of you can say go and play with your tinfoil hat

But

Mark this date down and in 5 years from today what you are going to see over California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona is a new flag of a Mexican styled Palestinian nation. Not that it will be that but it will be claimed as that. Trust me, the numbers are here, protests are already happening and will soon be followed by more agitation and then violence.

And if anyone thinks the bad element in Mexico and Central/South America will not join hands with the bad islamic element, I would ask them to think again.

Mexico has never been an ally with the U.S. Even in WWII they allowed German spies to operate within the country. There has been a rif since the 1840's and it will get worse and soon. Has been a long time coming.


You really need to get out of your small town more often and experience a little diversity in your life! Because their is underlying racism behind your race war fantasy.

First go to a citizenship ceremony closest to you in one of the states you just mentioned and you will find out how "un-American" these Mexican, Central and South American immigrants are. There are citizens from these countries that are even serving in our Armed Forces that eventually become citizens. You'll see at least 10 servicemen and women getting their citizenship.

Japanese-American were victims of Eurocentric xenophobia during WWII even though the Japanese units were some of the most decorated units in the war. That in spite of the fact that their family members were at an internment camp. Americans of German descent didn't have to suffer the same attack on their dignity. Why because they were of European heritage. It's sad that in the 21st century their are still some that harbor that same neuroses. Same paranoia but towards a different race.

BTW, what protests are already happening? And I'll enjoy being here (in LA) in five years still living under this flag [sm=flagamerican.jpg]!



earthless -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/17/2008 10:17:34 AM)

Some of the posts here remind of THIS...



TomTurn -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/17/2008 11:40:10 AM)

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You really need to get out of your small town more often and experience a little diversity in your life!


"you stupid, ignorant, hayseed". Just say it the way you mean it, will not hurt my feelings.

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Because their is underlying racism behind your race war fantasy.


Mexican is not a race. Hispanic is not a race. But then I live in a small town and do not get out much.

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go to a citizenship ceremony closest to you in one of the states you just mentioned and you will find out how "un-American" these Mexican, Central and South American immigrants are.


And good for those who come here legally and want to be a citizen. But every person illegally in the U.S. wants to be a citizen? Every person in Mexico who sees the Southern U.S. as rightfully Mexico's land wants to be a citizen?

Are these guys some of those taking the oath?

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There are citizens from these countries that are even serving in our Armed Forces that eventually become citizens. You'll see at least 10 servicemen and women getting their citizenship.


Good for them and glad to have them.

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Japanese-American were victims of Eurocentric xenophobia during WWII even though the Japanese units were some of the most decorated units in the war. That in spite of the fact that their family members were at an internment camp. Americans of German descent didn't have to suffer the same attack on their dignity. Why because they were of European heritage. It's sad that in the 21st century their are still some that harbor that same neuroses. Same paranoia but towards a different race.


A rant that has nothing to do with this conversation but will go ahead and highlight it

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BTW, what protests are already happening?


How would I know? I am just in a little small town and do not understand diversity like you big city, educated folks

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And I'll enjoy being here (in LA) in five years still living under this flag


Did not say you would not be, said within 5 years there will be "a new flag of a Mexican styled Palestinian nation. Not that it will be that but it will be claimed as that." It will fly over in protest just as you see the Mexican flag flown over the U.S. in protest now but will be a more forceful claim.

God Bless America



mapachito13 -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/17/2008 2:17:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

But every person illegally in the U.S. wants to be a citizen?


You'd be surprised just how many do!

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Every person in Mexico who sees the Southern U.S. as rightfully Mexico's land wants to be a citizen?


Let's take a small minority and just stereotype shall we! Most of those that think this way are AMERICAN by birth as well. Born in CA, AZ, NM & TX.

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Did not say you would not be, said within 5 years there will be "a new flag of a Mexican styled Palestinian nation. Not that it will be that but it will be claimed as that." It will fly over in protest just as you see the Mexican flag flown over the U.S. in protest now but will be a more forceful claim.


That was the same garbage people were spewing in the 1970's with the Chicano movement. Almost 40 years later it's still not closer to reality.

BTW, there are many "white power" movements in America like the KKK and the Aryan nation that don't represent the views of most white people too! Just like these extremist groups don't represent your average hispanic immigrant views!



mapachito13 -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/17/2008 2:21:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

Some of the posts here remind of THIS...


I had never heard of Mr. Wise before but count me as a fan now! It was like an American history class (without the rose, or red, white and blue, covered glasses).



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