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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/8/2008 7:06:03 AM
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I am new here and just skimmed some of the post in this massive thread. I however saw some things that made me want to register. A "House of Prayer" as Mike and others do it is not a move for 24/7 prayer but a life of Sacrifice. I grew up Southern Baptist and spent my life studying the Word. I have 24 of 29 years. I discovered HOP-HB this past December upon going back to H'burg for a visit. I spent all day everyday since then studying "Harp and Bowl" Intercessory Prayer, and the difference between IHOP Prayer and other 24/7 prayer centers. I discovered a few major things that made e write a blog on yuwie. I will post that blog in just a sec. I will do a second post so this one is not huge. I must first say that IHOPs spend their time trying to talk you out of becoming a HOP leader or IM because you must have real wieght of heart and conviction that moves beyond emotion or the man that is great! It is a life of Sacrifice. Your heart must see a desperate need for people, G-d, and the weight of it must be so heavy that you will beat your life into submission so you do not move until things change. The rest will be explained when i paste my blog from yuwie. If this was already addressed I apologize.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/8/2008 7:09:39 AM
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Prayer Life becomes a Life of Prayer Edit
posted at 12:00am · Comments (0) [Fill your bowl: Prayer exposed]
In recent weeks I discovered (thanks to HOP-HB in Mississippi) a process of prayer called Harp and Bowl and a new type of Missionary called Intercessory Missionary. Upon arrival in Cookeville I started truly studying this out. I soon discovered that prayer is not something we do but as King David said, It is something that we become. (CR PS 109:4 Original language: I am Prayer) It is also a way to Minister to G-d Himself (Acts 6 and 13). What a privilege, to minister to G-d. I just figured out that prayer is sacrificial like marriage. You must give up what you want and reorder your life to integrate with your spouse. In this case that is G-d and Yeshua; we are after all the Bride of Christ. In studying this out and implementing it I learned 2 things.
First, that all of the Bible is a Romance between G-d and Man. G-d is in love with us so much that he interrupted eternity by cutting it in two just so we could have time to know him. For those that don't know there is eternity past before the Earth was created and fallen due to sin and eternity future where we are with Him forever after the end of the age. He loved us so much that He killed His son for us and made us sons and daughters with all the rights and privileges that entails. He is preparing a place for us to spend all eternity future with Him. It is His desire that we love Him and serve Him Just as He loves us and meets our needs. If we love Him and wish to serve Him how can we minister to G-d? The Answer to that is the 2nd thing I learned.
We exist to bring G-d glory and give G-d glory. Nothing is greater than His glory and we have no greater prize than reveling in that fact. Try praying G-d's glory for an hr a day. Not asking for guidance, wisdom or stuff. Don't thank Him for anything just say G-d I am here to give you glory and pray your glory. Your glory made manifest. Your glory over your Bride. Your glory over the Earth and through the Earth. Instead of praying for satan to leave your town or release your loved ones pray that G-d's glory be poured out and on them and that the situation give G-d glory. Pray for the Bride of Christ in your city and the Earth to move in His glory and be moved by it. That we stream it out toward each other and the world. This is the best way to get satan out, because if we are consumed with G-d's glory there is no place for satan.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/8/2008 11:11:40 AM
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Bravo, kudzu! Excellent insight!
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If you need G-d to change things in your life try changing your life for G-d. Luke 18:7-8
I like that!
As J. Vernon McGee was fond of saying, "Until next time, may God richly bless you my beloved!"
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/8/2008 2:33:40 PM
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Thanks I just got sick of people calling me crazy or saying a life of prayer is impossible. They slam IHOP and the IM movement without even considering the points I brought up. G-d has actually turned that one post into a regular thing that he is using to teach me everything I need to know before I intern in KC or Start a House of Prayer. It is more intense and demanding of you then people assume. Like Paul says "I beat my body [like a boxer]..." to stay focused and keep that heart of prayer. Did you that with studies showing the new avg day is becoming 18 hrs if you prayed 10 mins every hour you were awake that would be 21 hrs a week in prayer? Not including quite time, prayer meetings, or time we could refocus on weekends. You could even read a deep Christian book. Not this Prosperity "G-d wants you to have a hummer" edited tos 5 but like Lewis, Geisler, Mooreland, Sproul etc. A life of Prayer and G-d isn't hard time wise. It is hard pride wise. I feel like that is why so many are against it. They don't want to stretch. Even my Mother who has always been dead set in her ways for years said she realized that after reading this and other post I have done on the topic. Sorry if got soapboxy I just think we are way to casual in "Christian Life."
For the first few centuries they thought you were not living like Christ if you weren't sacrificing something or suffering. Point of fact Paul assumes that you will fast and talks about their being a certain amount of suffering that must be endured before Christ's return. He says he gladly takes all suffering that he must endure because it adds to the number. This is a stark contrast to our "If your not prosperous, your not Christian" philosophy. If someone suffers we assume they are waiting for G-d to move or being punished by Him. This is why a group of people that give up everything to fast and pray scare and offend people. We do not say everyone should do it as we do, but it does make you re-order your priorities if you even consider they may have a point. Here is a fun fact. Every major move of G-d in Church History has been preceeded by such a prayer movement (that I have found in my recent studies, even Charles Finney had someone who went to the town days before Him and prayed walking the town. Finney stated that he did nothing other than just reap the harvest of his friends work and that without that man whose only job was to pray he would have no harvest to reap. He even stopped his revival the day his friend died.)
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/8/2008 10:20:57 PM
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I discovered a few major things that made e write a blog on yuwie. I will post that blog in just a sec. I will do a second post so this one is not huge.
The rest will be explained when i paste my blog from yuwie. If this was already addressed I apologize.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/9/2008 12:29:37 AM
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Kudzu, I actually have a friend at IHOP-Hattiesburg. He's a prophetic singer on one of the worship teams out there. He's good guy.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/9/2008 1:29:32 AM
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My cousin tanya and her children are on the team as well. Tanya. Jewel and Anna Grace sing. Levi Plays guitar. I had never seen Harp and Bowl or heard of prophetic singing before then now it won't turn me loose. I am trying to raise funds to intern at IHOP-KC Mission base. I spend 4-6 hrs a day studying out the ideals of IHOP and it is transforming me into a stronger man of G-d than ever before. Intercession, Holiness, Offerings, Prophecy.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/9/2008 1:53:43 AM
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My cousin tanya and her children are on the team as well. Tanya. Jewel and Anna Grace sing. Levi Plays guitar. I had never seen Harp and Bowl or heard of prophetic singing before then now it won't turn me loose. I am trying to raise funds to intern at IHOP-KC Mission base. I spend 4-6 hrs a day studying out the ideals of IHOP and it is transforming me into a stronger man of G-d than ever before. Intercession, Holiness, Offerings, Prophecy.
Very good to see the good fruit that the teachings of IHOP are bringing into yet another young life. And it's very true that every move of God, every revival in history, was preceded by a prayer and intercession movement. Sometimes by only a few people like in the Welsh revival. God wants us to participate with Him and pray for His moves, in fact He requires it from us or else, I don't believe, He would have started any of the past revivals. He requires that we initiate it through our prayers.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/9/2008 11:50:41 AM
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 10:25:45 AM
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Here's another quote from Mike Bickle to throw out for prayerful consideration:
"We are all familiar with missionaries who focus on preaching or mercy deeds (providing food, medical care, etc.). The Lord is calling forth a new type of missionary that is essential to completing the Great Commission. What is an intercessory missionary? An intercessory missionary's primary focus is changing the spiritual atmosphere over cities through 'intercessory worship' (Psalm 149). This ministry provides one of the Scriptural requirements for God to release the fullness of revival. God will not move in fullness apart from Night and Day prayer (including regular times of fasting). The Scripture makes this abundantly clear and history proves this without doubt. Also, Scripture declares that God will orchestrate a mighty 'intercessory worship' movement covering the earth in the generation the Lord returns."
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 12:25:11 PM
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The Lord is calling forth a new type of missionary that is essential to completing the Great Commission.
God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He does NOT call forth a NEW type of missionary. The Bible is quite clear on the role of missionary
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This ministry provides one of the Scriptural requirements for God to release the fullness of revival. God will not move in fullness apart from Night and Day prayer (including regular times of fasting). The Scripture makes this abundantly clear and history proves this without doubt.
Oh really? Now God will not move unless IHOP provides one of the Scriptual requirements for revival? Can you say ARROGANT?
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Also, Scripture declares that God will orchestrate a mighty 'intercessory worship' movement covering the earth in the generation the Lord returns."
I'd like to see the Scripture that supports this.
My goodness. This guy is more WHACKED than I originally thought! Just more DOMINIONIST rhetoric.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 1:26:16 PM
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how is asking people to pray/worship day and night dominionist?
dominionism is about christians ruling the earth before Christ's return.
what if... day and night worship or praying, in and for cities and nations did not bring about any spiritual revival in those cities (not sure why God might have a special reason not to answer that kind of prayer) but what if those prayers were fruitless....how does it harm those praying and worshipping? what is the danger here? what is the big problem?
where is the false Jesus being preached?
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 1:56:18 PM
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The Lord is calling forth a new type of missionary that is essential to completing the Great Commission.
God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He does NOT call forth a NEW type of missionary. The Bible is quite clear on the role of missionary
okay, please explain, what does the bible say about the role of missionary? and does the concept of "medical missionary" also violate the principle of "the same yesterday today and forver" ?
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This ministry provides one of the Scriptural requirements for God to release the fullness of revival. God will not move in fullness apart from Night and Day prayer (including regular times of fasting). The Scripture makes this abundantly clear and history proves this without doubt.
Oh really? Now God will not move unless IHOP provides one of the Scriptual requirements for revival? Can you say ARROGANT?
IHOP does not claim to be the movement of 24/7 prayer and worship, only a PART of it.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 2:06:26 PM
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how is asking people to pray/worship day and night dominionist?
Statements like...
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God will not move in fullness apart from Night and Day prayer (including regular times of fasting).
...imply that God cannot move until something is done down here on earth. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that God really wants to move, but He can't until we start praying day and night
My God is not in a box waiting for permission to do anything!
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dominionism is about christians ruling the earth before Christ's return.
Here lies the conflict in this thread. I believe that Mike Bickle believes this.
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Also, Scripture declares that God will orchestrate a mighty 'intercessory worship' movement covering the earth in the generation the Lord returns."
Actually, this is incorrect too. Scripture actually declares that there will be a falling away (apostasy) before Christ returns (2Timothy 4:3 , 2Thess 2:1,3, 1Timothy 4:1, Amos 8:11).
Talking about end time revivals and worship movements is just more Latter Rain rhetoric
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 2:14:14 PM
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or perhaps that's what you think you're hearing. (dominionism)
having heard, "... My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land." many times over my lifetime...
this is the concept it sounds to me like i'm hearing.
fits the whole, pray for God's move. it is not that God is not sovereign but that He wishes to work in and through His people.
it's not a new idea, that what man does, for better or worse is connected for better or worse to God's hand. man does not control God's hand but God intentionally put's the ball in man's court at times.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 2:15:59 PM
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dominionism is about christians ruling the earth before Christ's return.
Here lies the conflict in this thread. I believe that Mike Bickle believes this.
well since he explicitly says that he does not, prove that he does.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 2:19:08 PM
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Also, Scripture declares that God will orchestrate a mighty 'intercessory worship' movement covering the earth in the generation the Lord returns."
Actually, this is incorrect too. Scripture actually declares that there will be a falling away (apostasy) before Christ returns.
2Timothy 4:3 , 2Thess 2:1,3, 1Timothy 4:1, Amos 8:11
again, since when does one's eschatology make one a heretic? eschatology is not uniform in the church.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 2:49:03 PM
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Here lies the conflict in this thread. I believe that Mike Bickle believes this.
well since he explicitly says that he does not, prove that he does.
- "first he will bring the Five[Fold Ministries]..but there is a ministry after the fivefold called the ministry of PERFECTION, the Melchizadek priesthood. You that are children will be moving into the ministries of perfection...coming into the divine nature of Christ...not having to come out of the wilderness, but being birthed NATURAL into the Spirit, all their days moving in the Spirit. You are into the warfare, start to take the Promised Land..." ("Visions and Revelations" audio tape Mike Bickle & Bob Jones)
- "But through His Word, He has given us a revelation of what He intends us to be; sons of God in the full sense of the word...God said that these people were to act as God."
"Glory and Dominion of Sonship," part 2, n.d., tape
- "I believe we're in a time of history where the Lord wants there to be a significant transfer of wealth...I don't mean millions, I mean billions of dollars, being transfered into the hands of the end time worship and prayer movement on a global level. Much more than billions. We're talking about the whole world, and we need to posture ourselves from a biblical point of view to be part of that. And its something that I'm not content that maybe a few of us understand it; it's bigger than this. I want us as a spiritual family to understand what hour we're living in and what is on the Lord's heart related to the end time worship movement and related to supernatural finances."
- "I believe that God is going to allow us to see and to even partake in this restoration--this is a major statement and I want you to pay attention closely--to the restoration of the New Testament standard... I believe that God is going to renovate the entire understanding of what Christianity is in the nations of the Earth. I believe that the way that 99 per cent of us across the world as believers understand Christianity, in 20 years there will be a totally different understanding of what Christianity is from what it is right now. I believe the understanding of it, the standard of life and the expression of Christianity as we know it, I believe God is going to restore it in the Earth in this generation." Bickle, Overview of Corporate Long Term Vision.
- "God will not move in fullness apart from Night and Day prayer (including regular times of fasting).
- "In 1986, Bickle and the other leaders formed a ministry called Grace Ministries "committed to seeing the church restored to the glory described in God's word - this team is composed of mature and proven men with apostolic and prophetic ministries..."
The vision of Grace Ministries and the Kansas City Fellowship was for creating apostolic teams to plant churches, setting up cell churches, forming the city church (one church per city overseen by an apostle) sending out the Joseph Company (sonship terminology for overcomers who prepare the way for the transformation) and creating Shiloh Ministries (a prophetic school), and the House of Prayer - 24-hour intercessory prayer.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 3:10:21 PM
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 those are merely snipets quoted from detractors from material from the 80's.
IHOP gives a run down of their beliefs here
http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000010561
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those are merely snipets quoted from detractors from material from the 80's.
NO...I don't know about the others but the third paragraph Soxfan quoted was from a recent message from Bickle. And there was a lot more like that in the message.
I was the one who originally quoted it, and I transcribed it from the audio.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 7:43:09 PM
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or perhaps that's what you think you're hearing. (dominionism)
having heard, "... My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land." many times over my lifetime...
this is the concept it sounds to me like i'm hearing.
fits the whole, pray for God's move. it is not that God is not sovereign but that He wishes to work in and through His people.
it's not a new idea, that what man does, for better or worse is connected for better or worse to God's hand. man does not control God's hand but God intentionally put's the ball in man's court at times.
Amen! Amen! That's exactly what Mike is speaking about. God will NOT move and heal our land unless we pray....just as that scripture that mrsdash wrote says. It's not because God CAN'T, it's because it is His principle NOT to. He wants, even demands, that we participate in what He wants to do.
I think there are obviously people who have closed their ears to truth and just want to find negative things to say about certain ministries because they don't like them. They worship differently (show more emotion), they pray differently (cry out with repetative words), they believe God spoke to them with certain promises (God will provide for the end-time prayer movements), etc. etc. They have an ax to grind and won't give up grinding it.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 7:58:18 PM
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God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He does NOT call forth a NEW type of missionary. The Bible is quite clear on the role of missionary Based on........... the Great Commission? The problem is the whole part prior to the Great Commission is that pesky little part prior to Pentecost (wait in Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit comes upon you). This is the same thing that Anna did in Luke 2, she waited on the Lord until she saw Jesus in the flesh, then she went out of the temple and told everyone that she had seen the Messiah. Here is the "forumla" (non-formula), people pray, preaching becomes more effective because of an already active work of the Spirit, more people get radically saved. We have seen it happen not just here (YWAM's 12 week mission to NewZealand is one such example), but historically as well (some research into the Welsh Revival might be a good idea).quote:
Oh really? Now God will not move unless IHOP provides one of the Scriptual requirements for revival? Can you say ARROGANT? Which Mike did not say. He said "Night and Day prayer". IHOP-KC is not the only prayer ministry in the world, in America, or even in Kansas City. Realistically, you are arguing about something that isn't there... which might be a sign for the rest of the arguments you have.quote:
I'd like to see the Scripture that supports this. Revelation 22.... "The spirit and the Bride say come." The Bride is obviously the church, and the church will be beckoning the Bridegroom to return... that sounds like God orchestrating an end-times worship movement to me.quote:
...imply that God cannot move until something is done down here on earth. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that God really wants to move, but He can't until we start praying day and night
My God is not in a box waiting for permission to do anything! So why did God tell Moses that He was about to destroy Israel, and then when Moses prays, God releases mercy on them? It is because God wanted to release Mercy, but their sin was to the point that they had earned the judgement that was coming. Then Moses stands up as an intercessor and becomes a mediator between the two parties, a God extends Mercy on behalf of Moses. God delights in mercy, but He could not have released mercy and been justified without an intercessor. The fact is that God desires partnership with humanity... Isaiah 63 tells me that much. Notice, before God upholds Himself and works salvation in verse 5, He looks around for someone to help and finds none. Not only that, but God marvels that there are none to stand with Him.quote:
Here lies the conflict in this thread. I believe that Mike Bickle believes this. And the fact (as someone who lives here and listens to Mike's sermons) is that he does not. This is you putting something on him that isn't there. Mike as said that Jesus Christ will be the one who does away with the kingdom of the Antichrist, not the church. Dominionism and IHOP-KC's eschatology are at almost perfect odds with one another.quote:
Scripture actually declares that there will be a falling away (apostasy) before Christ returns (2Timothy 4:3 , 2Thess 2:1,3, 1Timothy 4:1, Amos 8:11).
Talking about end time revivals and worship movements is just more Latter Rain rhetoric Not all of the church will be falling away. We know from Revelation 7 that there will be at least 144,000 Jewish people saved out of the tribulation. We know from the OT that 2/3 of the Jewish people in the world will die, but that all of the other 1/3 will get saved (Zech 13:7-9). So there is at least a little bit of evidence of a surgence of holiness amidst the endtimes... not to mention Jesus own parable of the wheat and the tares. While the weeds are growing into maturity, so will be the wheat.quote:
those are merely snipets quoted from detractors from material from the 80's. **Ding!** +1!
The problem is that people are arguing about "what we said"... and then refuse to listen to what we say. One thing I will note is that IHOP-KC has just recieved a stamp of legitimacy from Jack Hayford... curtesy of the "Call2All" gathering in Orlando this past weekend. Basically, there was a giant meeting of leaders of missions organizations and leaders of prayer ministries... Mike Bickle was invited to the meeting. Several of the men representing one of the Baptist missions organizations (sorry, I don't know which one... I heard the story second hand from someone who was there) were asked to go on stage at The Call-Orlando later that same weekend... and in the midst of about 8,000 young people praying, fasting, and interceding (yes, they were rocking back and forth, and yes, it was still under Lou Engle), declared that the missions movement needs the prayer movement. If anyone still believes IHOP-KC is a cult, apparently we are devious enough to decieve Jack Hayford. Seems that argument is mostly smoke with no spark.
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/11/2008 8:44:18 PM
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those are merely snipets quoted from detractors from material from the 80's.
NO...I don't know about the others but the third paragraph Soxfan quoted was from a recent message from Bickle. And there was a lot more like that in the message.
I was the one who originally quoted it, and I transcribed it from the audio.
this paragraph?
- "I believe we're in a time of history where the Lord wants there to be a significant transfer of wealth...I don't mean millions, I mean billions of dollars, being transfered into the hands of the end time worship and prayer movement on a global level. Much more than billions. We're talking about the whole world, and we need to posture ourselves from a biblical point of view to be part of that. And its something that I'm not content that maybe a few of us understand it; it's bigger than this. I want us as a spiritual family to understand what hour we're living in and what is on the Lord's heart related to the end time worship movement and related to supernatural finances."
where is the scary horrible doctrine there?
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RE: I need info on IHOP with Mike Bickle! Please! - 2/12/2008 4:16:05 AM
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The supposed "scary doctrine" is that because we preach that God will supernaturally provide for the church through a transference of wealth, the church must be in control of the earth.... which is not part of the IHOP teaching. Mike Bickle actually teaches that God will provide for the church through a transference of wealth into the kingdom, and that is where he stops. The supposed "Dominionist connection" in that sermon (which I was in the room for) doesn't actually exist.
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