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RE: Mormonism? - 1/4/2008 4:59:34 PM
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What a strange teaching. Do you think that God is pleased by men worshiping whatever they desire to bow down to?
Hi Pez!
I don't know. You should ask Him.
You don't know. How is it that you can not know?
Mormons often pretend to not know the answers to your questions.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/4/2008 5:13:20 PM
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Mormons often pretend to not know the answers to your questions.
If they are feigning ignorance, then I would admonish them thusly:
"your yes is to be yes, and your no, no, so that you may not fall under judgment." (James 5:12)
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/5/2008 3:42:47 AM
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Mormons often pretend to not know the answers to your questions.
If they are feigning ignorance, then I would admonish them thusly:
"your yes is to be yes, and your no, no, so that you may not fall under judgment." (James 5:12)
People in general get nervous when backed into a corner.
I allow my neighbors to worship in their own way, but God will punish them for their sins. LDS do finally allow people to resist their efforts at conversion.
You'll notice that harvesthoney quoted that article of faith as an attempt to get our of answering my question. Robert Millet, in speaking to the Missionary Prep Club at BYU advised, "Don't answer the question they ask, answer the question they should have asked." So I guess he hopes they can distract the person from their original question:
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So if you compare teachings to scripture, why would it be wrong for a person of another denomination to do the same?
AOF #11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
Why would a Latter-day Saint/Mormon criticize a non-Mormon for comparing their teachings to the Bible?
"I say to the whole world, receive the truth, no matter who presents it to you. Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test." - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 16, 46
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (Acts 17:11)
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/5/2008 2:57:41 PM
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McConkie and Bickmore are giving opinions. Mormon Doctine is just a book not LDS Doctrine. I don't agree with much of what McConkie writes and I think he was harsh with some comments. Never heard of Bickmore.
Just opinions, eh? So it matters not what opinions LDS leaders and teachers have? They give talks that you needn't listen to, they prefer to speculate rather than give sound teaching, etc. That's very interesting. Why didn't the LDS church chastise McConkie for giving his book that title?
Tell me about Bickmore's opinion. You obviously disagree with his opinion. So do you endorse the doctrines of original sin and total depravity?
Let's look again at what McConkie said in light of the teachings of LDS prophets and scholars:
"And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal, uncreated, immaterial, and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" - Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 269
Is Christendom apostate according to Mormon belief?
“My object in going to inquire of the Lord,” our young supplicant says, “was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right … —and which I should join.
“I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof’ ” [JS—H 1:18–19].
The simple fact is that had there been no "apostasy," or "falling away," from Christ's original Church, there would have been no need for God to restore the Church through Joseph Smith. In this chapter we will establish the fact that there was, indeed, such an apostasy and describe its history and some of its effects.2 Finally, we will present evidence that a restoration of the gospel was also predicted in the early Church. - Barry Robert Bickmore, Restoring the Ancient Church, Chapter 2
"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith , The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60
"After the Apostles and many righteous Church members were killed and other members departed from the truth, the Lord took the priesthood authority and His Church from the earth. Without God’s priesthood authority, the Church no longer functioned as Christ had established it. The ordinances were changed and many plain and simple truths were lost. While many good people and some truth remained, the original Church was lost." - lds.org
When individuals or groups of people turn away from the principles of the gospel, they are in a state of apostasy. One example is the Great Apostasy, which occurred after the Savior established His Church. After the deaths of the Savior and His Apostles, men corrupted the principles of the gospel and made unauthorized changes in Church organization and priesthood ordinances. Because of this widespread apostasy, the Lord withdrew the authority of the priesthood from the earth. This apostasy lasted until Heavenly Father and His Beloved Son appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820 and initiated the restoration of the fulness of the gospel. - lds.org
Is the God of this so-called apostate Christendom mythical according to Mormon belief?
Joseph Smith taught:
“Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God anyhow—three in one, and one in three! It is a curious organization anyhow. All are to be crammed into one God, according to sectarianism. It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God—he would be a giant or a monster.”
(TPJS, p. 372; History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 473-479)
"...before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal, uncreated, immaterial, and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" - McConkie
Do you believe in a God Who is Three-in-One or do you believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate beings?
What about the talks presented at General Conferences of the LDS church? Are they merely opinions or do they contain errors because those giving them aren't familiar with official LDS doctrine?
All of our Church conferences are occasions to teach one another the doctrines of the gospel; to testify of the truth and divinity of those things which have come to us by the opening of the heavens; and to counsel together, and with the Lord, as to the things we should all do to fill the full measure of our creation.
We are the servants of the Lord. We have received light and truth and revelation from him. He has commanded us to proclaim his truths and live his laws. And so now, in harmony with his mind and will, and as guided by his Holy Spirit, we give counsel and direction to the Saints and to the world. - Joseph Fielding Smith, “Counsel to the Saints and to the World,” Ensign, July 1972, 27
“For the next six months, your conference edition of the ENSIGN should stand next to your standard works and be referred to frequently. As my dear friend and brother Harold B. Lee said, we should let these conference addresses ‘be the guide to [our] walk and talk during the next six months. These are important matters the Lord sees fit to reveal to this people in this day’ (in Conference Report, Apr. 1946, p. 68).” - Ezra Taft Benson, “‘Come unto Christ, and Be Perfected in Him’,” Ensign, May 1988, 84
(President Ezra Taft Benson, April 3, 1988)
Everyone can have opinions...even Bickmore and McConkie, but that doen't make it doctrine.
The LDS church didn't chastise McConkie but they did suggest he edit what he had written. Honestly, I don't use Mormon Doctrine and tossed my copy long ago.
I agree with Bickmores point, I have just never heard of him. It is McConkie whom I don't necessarily agree with sometimes.
Conference talks are considered inspired. So I agree with Benson.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/5/2008 3:16:47 PM
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What a strange teaching. Do you think that God is pleased by men worshiping whatever they desire to bow down to?
Hi Pez!
I don't know. You should ask Him.
You don't know. How is it that you can not know?
Exodus 20:1-6
1Then God spoke all these words, saying,
2"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3"You shall have no other gods before Me.
4"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Exodus 34:14
--for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God--
Deuteronomy 6:13-15
13"You shall fear only the LORD your God; and you shall worship Him and swear by His name. 14You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you, 15for the LORD your God in the midst of you is a jealous God; otherwise the anger of the LORD your God will be kindled against you, and He will wipe you off the face of the earth."
Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, ' YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"
How can you not know God is displeased when people worship anything besides Him?
I guess I don't feel qualified to speak for God.....but my opinion is that God wants us to worship Him and only Him.
But the HOW one worships is up to the worshipper. Or is there only one right way? and who decides what is acceptable or not? (rhetorical questions...unless you really want to answer them)
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/5/2008 3:20:49 PM
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So if I want to worship God by offering up one of my children as a burnt offering, that's up to me?
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/5/2008 3:22:00 PM
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I spent my teen years in Montgomery, Alabama. There were no connections at all with white supremist groups.
Cool, just south of Dothan for me. White supremists were fond of Mormons there. I guess we were too Southern to know better.
Just because they were fond of the Mormons doesn't mean there was a connection.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/5/2008 3:32:44 PM
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So if I want to worship God by offering up one of my children as a burnt offering, that's up to me?
If that is How you worship, I suppose...and if that is how you worship...I think you need to rethink how you worship. Becides where in Christianity does it say it is worship to offer up one of your children as a burnt offering? I think I'll stay a Mormon.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/5/2008 3:41:47 PM
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You are missing the point-possibly deliberately. There has to be a standard. God has given us that standard, in His word. But you seem to reject the Bible, reject the BOM interpretation by LDS leaders, reject everything except saying, "Well, I know what I do and I'll keep doing it and you can't tell me what I think because I won't tell you what I think except to say that if you find someone telling you what Mormons believe and you don't like it then it must not be what I believe." and that's that, and no explanation.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/5/2008 9:31:58 PM
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Everyone can have opinions...even Bickmore and McConkie, but that doen't make it doctrine.
The LDS church didn't chastise McConkie but they did suggest he edit what he had written. Honestly, I don't use Mormon Doctrine and tossed my copy long ago.
McConkie did edit his book. It was overseen by Spencer W. Kimball.
In his biography of his father, Joseph Fielding McConkie states that:
"On July 5, 1966, President McKay invited Elder McConkie into his office and gave approval for the book to be reprinted if appropriate changes were made and approved. Elder [Spencer W.] Kimball [of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] was assigned to be Elder McConkie’s mentor in making those changes. ... My father told me that President McKay had so directed him. In addition to that, I am in possession of handwritten papers by my father affirming that direction."[3]
The second edition of Mormon Doctrine, with its approved revisions, was published in 1966. Horne states, "The most obvious difference between the two editions is a more moderate tone."[4]
Another revision was made to the book in 1978 after Church President Spencer W. Kimball received the revelation on the priesthood being extended to all worthy male members.
Much of the Bible Dictionary included with the Church's publication of the Bible in 1979 borrows from Mormon Doctrine. For example, the entry for "Abraham, covenant of" in the Bible Dictionary is exactly the same as the entry for "Abrahamic covenant" in Mormon Doctrine except for one paragraph. Many other Bible Dictionary entries teach identical concepts with closely paralleled wording as corresponding entries in Mormon Doctrine.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_R._McConkie
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I agree with Bickmores point, I have just never heard of him. It is McConkie whom I don't necessarily agree with sometimes.
Conference talks are considered inspired. So I agree with Benson.
Do you agree or disagree with Joseph Smith and Apostle Bruce R. McConkie when they claim that God is not a spirit essence who is incorporeal, uncreated, immaterial, and three-in-one?
Is Christendom apostate and was a restoration of the gospel necessary?
"I testify that God lives and that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that it was under his direction that the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored in this dispensation for the last time. I so testify to these truths in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen." - Eldred G. Smith, “Who Is Jesus?,” Ensign, May 1976, 67
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/6/2008 4:08:33 PM
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I guess I don't feel qualified to speak for God.....but my opinion is that God wants us to worship Him and only Him.
You don't have to speak for God when God has spoken for Himself. If God has said something, why not declare what He has said? It not merely your opinion that God wants us to worship Him and only Him, it is one of the ten commandments given to Moses, it is one of the fundamental commands of scripture that God alone is to be worshiped.
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But the HOW one worships is up to the worshipper. Or is there only one right way? and who decides what is acceptable or not? (rhetorical questions...unless you really want to answer them)
I didn't say anything about how a person is worshipping. Here is my question again: "Do you think that God is pleased by men worshiping whatever they desire to bow down to?" I'm not asking what methods of worship God is pleased by, I'm asking if you think that God is pleased when people worship things that are not the one and only God.
This is a very important question, because you said that: "I asked other members this question 'Do we (LDS) worship God and Jesus or just God? The answers were: Both.'" (Post #1228)
How can this be? If we are to worship God and only God, (and I will remind you that you said that Jesus Christ is not God in Post #1209 and Post #1210) then why would you say that you worship both Jesus Christ and God? If Jesus Christ is not God, then why worship Him? If God doesn't want us worshiping anyone/anything besides Him, then why worship someone who is not Him?
Furthermore you quoted this Mormon teaching:
"AOF #11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."
If God is displeased by men worshiping things that are not God... Then why are Mormons fine with that? Where is the love in allowing men to worship idols, and not telling them that they are wrong? Is that how you show love, by letting people anger God without warning them of their peril?
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 11:27:15 AM
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You are missing the point-possibly deliberately. There has to be a standard. God has given us that standard, in His word. But you seem to reject the Bible, reject the BOM interpretation by LDS leaders, reject everything except saying, "Well, I know what I do and I'll keep doing it and you can't tell me what I think because I won't tell you what I think except to say that if you find someone telling you what Mormons believe and you don't like it then it must not be what I believe." and that's that, and no explanation.
I don't reject the Bible and your comment on child sacrafice was unnecessary and you are rambling.
The point I'm making is... it is not up to ME to decide HOW you or anyone else worships. I also do not speak for my church....but I will speak for myself....for instance: I think snake handling is a wierd way to worship but people do it....Since I don't like snakes...I choose to worship another way.
To sum it up. You and others don't like my religion, period, so anything the LDS church does is wrong. I get it, I just disagree with you.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 11:29:56 AM
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Do you agree or disagree with Joseph Smith and Apostle Bruce R. McConkie when they claim that God is not a spirit essence who is incorporeal, uncreated, immaterial, and three-in-one?
Is Christendom apostate and was a restoration of the gospel necessary?
"I testify that God lives and that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that it was under his direction that the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored in this dispensation for the last time. I so testify to these truths in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen." - Eldred G. Smith, “Who Is Jesus?,” Ensign, May 1976, 67
Yes and Yes.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 12:06:12 PM
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To sum it up. You and others don't like my religion, period, so anything the LDS church does is wrong. I get it, I just disagree with you.
I feel great sorrow for you and others like you in the LDS church.
LDS speaks of knowing Christ, but their entire religion is a false teaching about Christ. They will cry "Lord Lord!", but Christ will state "I never knew you."
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 12:29:20 PM
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I guess I don't feel qualified to speak for God.....but my opinion is that God wants us to worship Him and only Him.
You don't have to speak for God when God has spoken for Himself. If God has said something, why not declare what He has said? It not merely your opinion that God wants us to worship Him and only Him, it is one of the ten commandments given to Moses, it is one of the fundamental commands of scripture that God alone is to be worshiped.
Okay, I agree with God.
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But the HOW one worships is up to the worshipper. Or is there only one right way? and who decides what is acceptable or not? (rhetorical questions...unless you really want to answer them)
I didn't say anything about how a person is worshipping. Here is my question again: "Do you think that God is pleased by men worshiping whatever they desire to bow down to?" I'm not asking what methods of worship God is pleased by, I'm asking if you think that God is pleased when people worship things that are not the one and only God.
This is a very important question, because you said that: "I asked other members this question 'Do we (LDS) worship God and Jesus or just God? The answers were: Both.'" (Post #1228)
How can this be? If we are to worship God and only God, (and I will remind you that you said that Jesus Christ is not God in Post #1209 and Post #1210) then why would you say that you worship both Jesus Christ and God? If Jesus Christ is not God, then why worship Him? If God doesn't want us worshiping anyone/anything besides Him, then why worship someone who is not Him?
Furthermore you quoted this Mormon teaching:
"AOF #11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."
If God is displeased by men worshiping things that are not God... Then why are Mormons fine with that? Where is the love in allowing men to worship idols, and not telling them that they are wrong? Is that how you show love, by letting people anger God without warning them of their peril?
Do I think that God is pleased by men worshiping whatever they desire to bow down to? No.
We have a different doctrinal opinion on the nature of God. Your doctrine says that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are "three in one". So when you worship God you are also are worshipping Jesus.
LDS doctrine says God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings. We worship God as the Father, and Jesus Christ as the Savior and Redeemer of the world. So, we worship both.
AOF #11 Basically, it means the LDS church doesn't dictate how the non-LDS worship.....eventhough the LDS church may disagree with "how, where, or what they may".
"Where is the love in allowing men to worship idols, and not telling them that they are wrong?" That's why the LDS church sends out missionaries.
"Is that how you show love, by letting people anger God without warning them of their peril?" ~shrug~
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 12:32:46 PM
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To sum it up. You and others don't like my religion, period, so anything the LDS church does is wrong. I get it, I just disagree with you.
I feel great sorrow for you and others like you in the LDS church.
LDS speaks of knowing Christ, but their entire religion is a false teaching about Christ. They will cry "Lord Lord!", but Christ will state "I never knew you."
Hi Crankius!
Appreciate the sentiment.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 12:39:38 PM
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harvesthoney,
I truly believe in the power of God's Word to pierce the heart. I know you have read Romans. Have you ever read through the entire Bible--like one of those read through the Bible in a year schedules? I think you would find this very beneficial. The mormon doctrine is very far from Biblical truth, and the more you read God's Word the more clear it will be.
Heb 4:12 - For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
You don't have to rely upon a burning in the bosom to know the truth of the Lord--God gave us His Word so that we may know Him in truth.
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 12:52:19 PM
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Mormon leadership is not considered "infallible".
My bad. I should have remembered the purchases of Mark Hofmann's forgeries up to but not including the infamous salamander letter. Though, later, they claimed not to have believed the items purchased from him were really authentic...
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 12:55:20 PM
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Okay, I agree with God.
Sadly, the question is, Which God, which Jesus?
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 4:13:51 PM
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LDS doctrine says God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings. We worship God as the Father, and Jesus Christ as the Savior and Redeemer of the world. So, we worship both.
You say you worship both Jesus and Heavenly Father as separate and distinct beings. Would you consider that you have a personal relationship with Jesus? Do you pray to Him directly?
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/7/2008 5:41:20 PM
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Do you agree or disagree with Joseph Smith and Apostle Bruce R. McConkie when they claim that God is not a spirit essence who is incorporeal, uncreated, immaterial, and three-in-one?
Is Christendom apostate and was a restoration of the gospel necessary?
"I testify that God lives and that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that it was under his direction that the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored in this dispensation for the last time. I so testify to these truths in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen." - Eldred G. Smith, “Who Is Jesus?,” Ensign, May 1976, 67
Yes and Yes.
Then either McConkie and Bickmore were not just stating opinions or you agree with their opinions. They both disagree with the Christianity I follow, so why would you criticize me for disagreeing with the religion they follow? Why would you say to me, "Religion bashing is just wrong?"
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/8/2008 10:53:16 AM
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mushhead
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Living in Utah, I am familiar with the rejection of Mormon Doctrine by church members. They say that it contains error, or is innaccurate in places, but that is not the real reason; for in sixteen years of asking I have not found even one mormon who could point to a single error, inaccuracy, or misrepresentation of doctrine. The real problem is that while McConkie was attempting to provide a useful study tool for members; creating the mormon version of a topical bible had devastatingly unintended consequences. Spelling out mormon doctrines, and placing them side by side, revealed the contradictions. Groups that minister to mormons used McConkie's book to demonstrate how mormonism could not be true.
If you run into someone that says he or she disagrees with McConkie, or that McConkie was just expressing his opinions; ask for specific examples. As I said, not one person in over a decade and a half have offered up even one example. If someone actually does give and example, then read it and compare McConkie's description to official mormon doctrine. You can be certian that you will not find any discrepencies. If the person does not provide any examples, then offer to go through the book looking for discrepencies between McConkie's descriptions and official mormon theology. At the end of each entry, ask whether or not it is accurate, or if it is just an opinion. It won't take long before you both realize where the exercise is going.
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Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Matt. 7:6
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RE: Mormonism? - 1/8/2008 4:09:21 PM
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harvesthoney
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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
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ORIGINAL: harvesthoney
Okay, I agree with God.
Sadly, the question is, Which God, which Jesus?
The ones mentioned it the KJV Bible.
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