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RE: Mormonism? - 7/2/2008 8:54:50 AM
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JimboFletch
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James 1:5 and Galatians 1:12
ROTFLOL!
You kid yourself that either of those do anything to further your position about the false prohet Smith.
"Wisdom" does not contradict revealed truth from God. The Mormonism cult contradicts revealed truth at every turn.
And the "revelation" that Paul wrote about in Galatians agreed completely with the Church leaders that had walked with Jesus. That verse was just the lead-in to when he presented himself to those leaders. Smith, on the other hand, was rejected by all legitimate Christian leaders in his time and his fairy tales are still rejected by blood-bought joint-heirs with Christ, God the Son. (We aren't going to be gods of other planets, but JOINT-HEIRS with God the Son, Christ Jesus!)
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/2/2008 11:48:55 PM
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I guess this is where we differ in interpretation. I don't believe marriage vows have to end at "till death parts us". I happen to like being "bound" to my husband here and "bound" to him in heaven.
Apples and oranges. There's not a difference in interpretation, the passage is about MAN being unable to separate husband and wife - but the Bible is clear that the marriage covenant expires at the death of either spouse. More to the point, God the Son said that marriages will not be recognized in heaven - no matter what MAN decides on the matter.
The precise statement of God the Son, Jesus Christ, on the matter trumps mormonism, Smith, and all of his successors.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
- Galatians 1:8
That may be your interpretation but not mine....this is one of those agree to disagree issues.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/3/2008 1:38:38 AM
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I am always fascinated by how the intellect handles conflicts of truth and fiction.
I too am fascinated by how a person comes to know what is true or not. I am new here and have a read a few of your posts and you seem to derive your authority heavily, if not entirely, on the Bible. Is this a correct statment?
If so, how is it that you have come to believe the Bible to be God's word? And as a follow-up to this question, how have you come to know that your interpretation of the Bible is the correct one?
BCurious
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/3/2008 1:00:09 PM
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JimboFletch
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I guess this is where we differ in interpretation. I don't believe marriage vows have to end at "till death parts us". I happen to like being "bound" to my husband here and "bound" to him in heaven.
Apples and oranges. There's not a difference in interpretation, the passage is about MAN being unable to separate husband and wife - but the Bible is clear that the marriage covenant expires at the death of either spouse. More to the point, God the Son said that marriages will not be recognized in heaven - no matter what MAN decides on the matter.
The precise statement of God the Son, Jesus Christ, on the matter trumps mormonism, Smith, and all of his successors.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
- Galatians 1:8
That may be your interpretation but not mine....this is one of those agree to disagree issues.
Yours isn't an interpretation, it's Mormon dogma. Plain reading of the Bible gives a completely different position that doesn't require interpretation to a Christian.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/3/2008 4:05:38 PM
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That may be your interpretation but not mine....this is one of those agree to disagree issues.
What's your take on this from 1 Corinthians?:
A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/4/2008 1:28:08 PM
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I guess this is where we differ in interpretation. I don't believe marriage vows have to end at "till death parts us". I happen to like being "bound" to my husband here and "bound" to him in heaven.
Apples and oranges. There's not a difference in interpretation, the passage is about MAN being unable to separate husband and wife - but the Bible is clear that the marriage covenant expires at the death of either spouse. More to the point, God the Son said that marriages will not be recognized in heaven - no matter what MAN decides on the matter.
The precise statement of God the Son, Jesus Christ, on the matter trumps mormonism, Smith, and all of his successors.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
- Galatians 1:8
That may be your interpretation but not mine....this is one of those agree to disagree issues.
Yours isn't an interpretation, it's Mormon dogma. Plain reading of the Bible gives a completely different position that doesn't require interpretation to a Christian.
I use the KJV...which version of the Bible do you use?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/4/2008 1:29:31 PM
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That may be your interpretation but not mine....this is one of those agree to disagree issues.
What's your take on this from 1 Corinthians?:
A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
Which chapter?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/5/2008 10:21:01 PM
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I am always fascinated by how the intellect handles conflicts of truth and fiction.
I too am fascinated by how a person comes to know what is true or not. I am new here and have a read a few of your posts and you seem to derive your authority heavily, if not entirely, on the Bible. Is this a correct statment?
From the Bible, not on the Bible.
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If so, how is it that you have come to believe the Bible to be God's word? And as a follow-up to this question, how have you come to know that your interpretation of the Bible is the correct one?
BCurious
Hello BCurious,
I have some questions for you first.
Are you a follower of the Biblical Christ or are you a mormon or are you any other religion/nonreligion?
Do you believe the Bible to be God's Word?
What do you mean by "interpretation"? Have you seen me interpret something from the Bible in a manner outside of Biblical Christianity?
I can better answer your questions when I understand why you asked them and where you are coming from.
Thank you! And welcome to Crosswalk.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/6/2008 12:07:50 AM
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I too am fascinated by how a person comes to know what is true or not. I am new here and have a read a few of your posts and you seem to derive your authority heavily, if not entirely, on the Bible. Is this a correct statment?
I also wanted to clarify--I do not have authority, at least in the sense I think you mean. I cite the Bible a lot because it is authoritative.
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Do not be overly righteous, Nor be overly wise: Why should you destroy yourself?
Ecclesiastes 7:16
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/6/2008 9:54:08 PM
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That may be your interpretation but not mine....this is one of those agree to disagree issues.
What's your take on this from 1 Corinthians?:
A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
Which chapter?
Nevermind, I found it. 1 Cor. 7:39. Widows are allowed to remarry.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 8:22:27 AM
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I use the KJV...which version of the Bible do you use?
What difference does it make? I don't worship a translation or even a group of translators - although Smith seemed to think the Elizabethan language was somehow holy because he used it for his work of fiction, the Book of Mormon, even though the language was a couple of hundred years out of date. It was the manuscripts that were inspired by God, not the ones that translated them into English.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 8:25:57 AM
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That may be your interpretation but not mine....this is one of those agree to disagree issues.
What's your take on this from 1 Corinthians?:
A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
Which chapter?
Nevermind, I found it. 1 Cor. 7:39. Widows are allowed to remarry.
The main point of the verse is that, according to the Bible, marriage vows become null & void upon the death of a spouse.
...Unless you think that it means that women can have multiple husbands in heaven. That'd be a departure from the standard Mormon line that men are the superior spiritual beings...
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 12:40:24 PM
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I use the KJV...which version of the Bible do you use?
What difference does it make? I don't worship a translation or even a group of translators - although Smith seemed to think the Elizabethan language was somehow holy because he used it for his work of fiction, the Book of Mormon, even though the language was a couple of hundred years out of date. It was the manuscripts that were inspired by God, not the ones that translated them into English.
All I asked was what version of the Bible you use...why the diatribe on Smith and the BOM?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 2:27:52 PM
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JimboFletch
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I use the KJV...which version of the Bible do you use?
What difference does it make? I don't worship a translation or even a group of translators - although Smith seemed to think the Elizabethan language was somehow holy because he used it for his work of fiction, the Book of Mormon, even though the language was a couple of hundred years out of date. It was the manuscripts that were inspired by God, not the ones that translated them into English.
All I asked was what version of the Bible you use...why the diatribe on Smith and the BOM?
Because it's relevant to the huckster Smith's modus operandi. He thought KJV was holy-sounding and used it as the version of English for the BOM, despite the claim that it is a perfect translation directly into English. It's also why the Mormon PR machine gives away KJV Bibles as a hook to reel in the unsuspecting and gullible.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 3:28:46 PM
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harvesthoney
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I use the KJV...which version of the Bible do you use?
What difference does it make? I don't worship a translation or even a group of translators - although Smith seemed to think the Elizabethan language was somehow holy because he used it for his work of fiction, the Book of Mormon, even though the language was a couple of hundred years out of date. It was the manuscripts that were inspired by God, not the ones that translated them into English.
All I asked was what version of the Bible you use...why the diatribe on Smith and the BOM?
Because it's relevant to the huckster Smith's modus operandi. He thought KJV was holy-sounding and used it as the version of English for the BOM, despite the claim that it is a perfect translation directly into English. It's also why the Mormon PR machine gives away KJV Bibles as a hook to reel in the unsuspecting and gullible.
Got it! Now, what version of the Bible do you use?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 3:36:51 PM
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The main point of the verse is that, according to the Bible, marriage vows become null & void upon the death of a spouse.
Agree to a point. That particular verse refers to temporal marriage...time only.
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...Unless you think that it means that women can have multiple husbands in heaven. That'd be a departure from the standard Mormon line that men are the superior spiritual beings...
I am not familiar with any doctrine that allows a woman to have multiple husbands.
Men are superior spiritual beings?? Sorry, not familiar with that one either.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 3:43:34 PM
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harvesthoney
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I know you asked Jimbo, but I want to answer anyway. 
I have a King James, New King James, New International Version, New American Standard, English Standard Version, and a 1599 Geneva Bible. I also use the many translations available on the Crosswalk Bible Tools. It is very interesting to study passages in a large variety of translations.
He still has to answer, you know.
BTW, I have the NIV. It reads differently than the KJV....and yes I agree, it is helpful at times...so, I'm not condemning it or the other translations. Which means the KJVJST is ok too.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 4:02:22 PM
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Just getting back to this thread.
harvesthoney,
I appreciated your honest answer about why we shouldn't just leave the planet if God is god of this planet alone. (You said "dunno" but you probably remember.)
Hmm, by what authority is God god of this world? Why can't we overthrow him? And, also, doesn't the Bible sometimes refer to tha devil as the "god of this world?" Maybe somebody can find me a quote.
latah
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 4:19:28 PM
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JimboFletch
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The main point of the verse is that, according to the Bible, marriage vows become null & void upon the death of a spouse.
Agree to a point. That particular verse refers to temporal marriage...time only.
And Jesus' declaration that marriages aren't recognized in heaven, was what, just kidding?
The Mormons can tack on "Eternal" all they want, it does not trump God the Son's declaration to the contrary.
It's interesting to me that the both the founders of the world's most deceptive religions, Islam & Mormonism, thought heaven was going to include temporal, fleshly needs.
Just curious, is procreation and/or sex supposed to be a practice of Mormons in the next life?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/7/2008 4:48:37 PM
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Just curious, is procreation and/or sex supposed to be a practice of Mormons in the next life?
Those who reach "exhaltation" will have wives that join them in the celestial heavens. There, they will have "spiritual children" to populate their planets. The people on their planets (as mormons do now) will have children with the understanding that they are providing a physical body for those spiritual children and opportunity to come to the planet, to learn to be gods. It is a cycle of sorts......
That is my understanding... perhaps harvesthoney can clarify.
I have read on some boards mormon women saying that they have felt the spirit of an unborn child asking to be born. I think it was when I was lurking at "another site" to read on the threads that they highly mod with a mormon bent.
There used to be a man that had a board for former latter day saints. (grok) I think he posts over there, still.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/8/2008 12:30:50 AM
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BCurious
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I am always fascinated by how the intellect handles conflicts of truth and fiction.
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Hello BCurious,
I have some questions for you first.
Are you a follower of the Biblical Christ or are you a mormon or are you any other religion/nonreligion?
Do you believe the Bible to be God's Word?
What do you mean by "interpretation"? Have you seen me interpret something from the Bible in a manner outside of Biblical Christianity?
I can better answer your questions when I understand why you asked them and where you are coming from.
Thank you! And welcome to Crosswalk.
Thanks for the welcome.
As I mentioned I am interested in how individuals come to truth. Your statement about truth vs fiction caught my attention as I was reading the last posts of some of the topics posted on this site. You clearly believe the Bible to be God's Word. My question is... how do you know it is God's Word? How did you discern this truth from fiction?
I think my question is clear enough and does not require any further information or clarification. If you are not interested sharing with me your journey to discovering the truth about the Bible , I understand , and will move on.
Thanks,
BCurious
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/8/2008 2:05:10 PM
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harvesthoney
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Just getting back to this thread.
harvesthoney,
I appreciated your honest answer about why we shouldn't just leave the planet if God is god of this planet alone. (You said "dunno" but you probably remember.)
I remember...I said "dunno" cause I don't know. Actually, I am clueless on what you are asking in the first place.
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Hmm, by what authority is God god of this world? Why can't we overthrow him? And, also, doesn't the Bible sometimes refer to tha devil as the "god of this world?" Maybe somebody can find me a quote.
latah
By what authority is God god of this world? His
Why can't we overthrow Him? Because He's God and "we" aren't.
My Bible(KJV) refers to Jesus as the "god of this world".
BTW, where are you getting your information from?
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