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RE: Mormonism? - 7/8/2008 2:18:32 PM
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harvesthoney
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The main point of the verse is that, according to the Bible, marriage vows become null & void upon the death of a spouse.
Agree to a point. That particular verse refers to temporal marriage...time only.
And Jesus' declaration that marriages aren't recognized in heaven, was what, just kidding?
The Mormons can tack on "Eternal" all they want, it does not trump God the Son's declaration to the contrary.
OK, I give...you win
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It's interesting to me that the both the founders of the world's most deceptive religions, Islam & Mormonism, thought heaven was going to include temporal, fleshly needs.
Just curious, is procreation and/or sex supposed to be a practice of Mormons in the next life?
Not from what I have been taught. Procreation and/or sex is for mortality. What happens in the next life? We'll just have to wait and see.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/8/2008 2:35:11 PM
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Hi Landabee!
Good to hear from you!! 
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Just curious, is procreation and/or sex supposed to be a practice of Mormons in the next life?
Those who reach "exhaltation" will have wives that join them in the celestial heavens. There, they will have "spiritual children" to populate their planets. The people on their planets (as mormons do now) will have children with the understanding that they are providing a physical body for those spiritual children and opportunity to come to the planet, to learn to be gods. It is a cycle of sorts......
That is my understanding... perhaps harvesthoney can clarify.
What is doctrine is the "new and everlasting covenant of marriage" aka Celestial marriage or temple marriage. It just means that a husband and wife are sealed to each other in the next life and any childen they have will be sealed to them also. The doctrine pretty much stops here and the rest is speculation.
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I have read on some boards mormon women saying that they have felt the spirit of an unborn child asking to be born. I think it was when I was lurking at "another site" to read on the threads that they highly mod with a mormon bent.
There used to be a man that had a board for former latter day saints. (grok) I think he posts over there, still.
I have heard women say this with variation too.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/8/2008 2:41:08 PM
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My Bible(KJV) refers to Jesus as the "god of this world".
Really? I find a different story, one that might fit Smith and Mormonism, but not Jesus:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
-2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 11:18:30 AM
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I wanted to re-visit a comment made by JimboFletch. He stated that the mormon religion is based on the superiority of males and plays to men's egos.
I agree.
Within the temple marriage ceremony, both man and wife receive temple names. They are not to share their names with anyone else. The man when dead, if he reaches exaltation is expected to "call forth" his wife by her temple name. If he doesn't choose to call her.....she is out of luck for that level of heaven. 
Speculation, if not, look through the LDS scriptures and find it for me. The LDS Scriptures being the KJV Bible, BOM, and Pearl of Great Price.
Not the Godmakers by Decker or the Journal of Discourses or anything Sandra Tanner.
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So basically in THIS life a good mormon wife lives in fear of not being a good wife and "staying sweet" to her husband. After all......she believes he holds the highest level of heaven for her in her hands.
Again, harvesthoney can clarify.
I certainly don't live in fear of my husband...nor do any of my LDS friends live in fear of their husbands. God is the one who holds the highest level of heaven in His hands and He decides who gets there.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 11:23:12 AM
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My Bible(KJV) refers to Jesus as the "god of this world".
Really? I find a different story, one that might fit Smith and Mormonism, but not Jesus:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
-2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
You got me there... "god" must be the devil and "God" must be God.
What version(s) of the Bible do you use?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 11:34:32 AM
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I know you asked Jimbo, but I want to answer anyway. 
I have a King James, New King James, New International Version, New American Standard, English Standard Version, and a 1599 Geneva Bible. I also use the many translations available on the Crosswalk Bible Tools. It is very interesting to study passages in a large variety of translations.
Crankius,
This is off post and maybe a little of topic, but I'm curious, do you socialize/work with any LDS?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 11:38:29 AM
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Hey Harvest Honey,
I have an "odd" question that has nothing to do with LDS. I'm so curious what you think about what's going on in Lakeland? I'd like the perspective of someone who many of us feel is outside the realm of normal Christianity. I don't mean that as a put down in any way, so please forgive me if it sounds that way. I'd just like your opinion on it. Sometimes I think about how it would play out if a Mormon showed up at the doorstep of a JW or vice versa. Things like these interest me. Thanks
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 11:38:39 AM
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My Bible(KJV) refers to Jesus as the "god of this world".
Really? I find a different story, one that might fit Smith and Mormonism, but not Jesus:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
-2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
You got me there... "god" must be the devil and "God" must be God.
What version(s) of the Bible do you use?
Exactly. The reverse of what you claimed.
As to your recurring question, please note that I included (KJV) for you.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 11:42:13 AM
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...The LDS Scriptures being the KJV Bible, BOM, and Pearl of Great Price...
See, that's one of many reasons Mormons aren't Christian. The 66 books of the Holy Bible are the only scriptures Christians recognize. And where any other books differ from God's Holy Bible, they, not it, are in error - even if, as the Bible states, it comes from an angel, in which case, it is to be accursed.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 1:08:00 PM
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Sorry to disagree with you harvesthoney, but on the other side of the veil, it is up to the man to call for his wife. He is under no obligation to do so. If he does not, she's either out of luck or maybe some other male can call her (I'm not really positive on that last part).
-Dave
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Within the temple marriage ceremony, both man and wife receive temple names. They are not to share their names with anyone else. The man when dead, if he reaches exaltation is expected to "call forth" his wife by her temple name. If he doesn't choose to call her.....she is out of luck for that level of heaven.
Speculation, if not, look through the LDS scriptures and find it for me. The LDS Scriptures being the KJV Bible, BOM, and Pearl of Great Price.
Not the Godmakers by Decker or the Journal of Discourses or anything Sandra Tanner.
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 2:37:54 PM
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Sorry to disagree with you harvesthoney, but on the other side of the veil, it is up to the man to call for his wife. He is under no obligation to do so. If he does not, she's either out of luck or maybe some other male can call her (I'm not really positive on that last part).
-Dave
You don't have to be sorry to disagree with me...I don't mind if you do.
I take it you used to be LDS? I am currently and endowed. What goes on in the temple is symbolic with some literal. Since I am still here(in mortality) and have not passed through the veil(or died), I too am not really positive on that last part either....And if a male does make it that far...he didn't do it alone.
Since, we both really don't know....let's call it speculation instead of fact.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 2:49:00 PM
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Hey Harvest Honey,
I have an "odd" question that has nothing to do with LDS. I'm so curious what you think about what's going on in Lakeland? I'd like the perspective of someone who many of us feel is outside the realm of normal Christianity. I don't mean that as a put down in any way, so please forgive me if it sounds that way. I'd just like your opinion on it. Sometimes I think about how it would play out if a Mormon showed up at the doorstep of a JW or vice versa. Things like these interest me. Thanks
What's going on in Lakeland?...Where is Lakeland?
But for the other...When a JW comes to my door...and it has been a while...I listen to their message and thank them for the literature. I am not into arguing religion. The JW's aren't the only ones to come to my door. I buy plenty of things to help support fund raisers for youth missions--which are mostly Baptist kids.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 2:52:13 PM
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...The LDS Scriptures being the KJV Bible, BOM, and Pearl of Great Price...
See, that's one of many reasons Mormons aren't Christian. The 66 books of the Holy Bible are the only scriptures Christians recognize. And where any other books differ from God's Holy Bible, they, not it, are in error - even if, as the Bible states, it comes from an angel, in which case, it is to be accursed.
OK
What other version(s) of the Bible do you use?? I know it's not just the KJV.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 2:53:55 PM
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Jimbo noted his version here in bold blue:
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My Bible(KJV) refers to Jesus as the "god of this world".
Really? I find a different story, one that might fit Smith and Mormonism, but not Jesus:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
-2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
I'm wondering why you are asking, harvesthoney. Is there something wrong with the scriptures Jimbo has used?
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Do not be overly righteous, Nor be overly wise: Why should you destroy yourself?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 2:56:00 PM
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I know you asked Jimbo, but I want to answer anyway.
I have a King James, New King James, New International Version, New American Standard, English Standard Version, and a 1599 Geneva Bible. I also use the many translations available on the Crosswalk Bible Tools. It is very interesting to study passages in a large variety of translations.
Crankius,
This is off post and maybe a little of topic, but I'm curious, do you socialize/work with any LDS?
Oh yes. I live in a very heavily Mormon area. It's impossible to not be in contact with them.
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Do not be overly righteous, Nor be overly wise: Why should you destroy yourself?
Ecclesiastes 7:16
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 3:15:53 PM
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Used to be - all the endowments in the temple and became a temple worker. While working in the temple, the teachers or instuctors or whatever they were called, disagreed on minor details of the signs and gestures. This was the end of LDS for me (2 1/2 years). Their principles and intentions take a back seat to the perfect wording and hand positions in the signs. This was true even in the weekly sacraments. A young man with a speech impediment was giving the "Eternal Father" blessing over the bread or water and was made to do it over and over because he mispronounced a word. That had to be humiliating to him.
Anyway, I'll truly pray for you that you will see Truth.
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Sorry to disagree with you harvesthoney, but on the other side of the veil, it is up to the man to call for his wife. He is under no obligation to do so. If he does not, she's either out of luck or maybe some other male can call her (I'm not really positive on that last part).
-Dave
You don't have to be sorry to disagree with me...I don't mind if you do.
I take it you used to be LDS? I am currently and endowed. What goes on in the temple is symbolic with some literal. Since I am still here(in mortality) and have not passed through the veil(or died), I too am not really positive on that last part either....And if a male does make it that far...he didn't do it alone.
Since, we both really don't know....let's call it speculation instead of fact.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 3:31:10 PM
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Hey Harvest Honey,
I have an "odd" question that has nothing to do with LDS. I'm so curious what you think about what's going on in Lakeland? I'd like the perspective of someone who many of us feel is outside the realm of normal Christianity. I don't mean that as a put down in any way, so please forgive me if it sounds that way. I'd just like your opinion on it. Sometimes I think about how it would play out if a Mormon showed up at the doorstep of a JW or vice versa. Things like these interest me. Thanks
What's going on in Lakeland?...Where is Lakeland?
But for the other...When a JW comes to my door...and it has been a while...I listen to their message and thank them for the literature. I am not into arguing religion. The JW's aren't the only ones to come to my door. I buy plenty of things to help support fund raisers for youth missions--which are mostly Baptist kids.
Uh, the 120 page thread right above this.  I take it you only read the mormon thread? I'd really like your perspective on Lakeland. Thanks
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 8:41:21 PM
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Mormon theology is so utterly depressing.
I spent some time today immersed in some of their materials, and again was struck by the absurdity of it all and the despair of it. (Here is one example of the absurdity, in case anyone here wants to know more.)
Mormonism captures many people with its family appeal and its false appearance of godliness. At heart, though, it is a man-made religion for the purpose of worshiping man.
Christ is our mediator. Eternal life is not reserved for those who meet man-made rules—eternal life is a gift to all those who believe on Christ for their atonement.
Heb 9:15 - And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb 12:24 - To Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
The temple curtain was torn in two, removing the need for any of us to use a temple to know God or have secret ordinances. Our bodies are now the living temple, and anyone who believes in the Biblical Christ is being built upon Him as the cornerstone.
Ephesians 2:18-22 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
No man need know my name; God ALREADY KNOWS MY NAME.
My eternity will not be spent populating a planet—my eternity will be spent worshiping the one and only true God forever.
John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
Truth matters! All mormons should definitely examine their beliefs in light of scripture, so that they might make the choice to believe in the Biblical Christ instead of their mormon god/s.
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Do not be overly righteous, Nor be overly wise: Why should you destroy yourself?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 9:14:04 PM
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Hey Harvest Honey,
I have an "odd" question that has nothing to do with LDS. I'm so curious what you think about what's going on in Lakeland? I'd like the perspective of someone who many of us feel is outside the realm of normal Christianity. I don't mean that as a put down in any way, so please forgive me if it sounds that way. I'd just like your opinion on it. Sometimes I think about how it would play out if a Mormon showed up at the doorstep of a JW or vice versa. Things like these interest me. Thanks
What's going on in Lakeland?...Where is Lakeland?
But for the other...When a JW comes to my door...and it has been a while...I listen to their message and thank them for the literature. I am not into arguing religion. The JW's aren't the only ones to come to my door. I buy plenty of things to help support fund raisers for youth missions--which are mostly Baptist kids.
Uh, the 120 page thread right above this. I take it you only read the mormon thread? I'd really like your perspective on Lakeland. Thanks
This thread is not for discussing the topic of what is going on in Lakeland.
If someone wants to discuss that topic then one should do so in that thread rather than bring it over into this one.
Thanks!
How do you suggest I do that since she stated that she had now idea about Lakeland? I was trying to figure out how to do it but I figured the best and only way to guarantee that she would see it was to ask her in the thread in which she posts.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 10:04:39 PM
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Jimbo noted his version here in bold blue:
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My Bible(KJV) refers to Jesus as the "god of this world".
Really? I find a different story, one that might fit Smith and Mormonism, but not Jesus:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
-2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
I'm wondering why you are asking, harvesthoney. Is there something wrong with the scriptures Jimbo has used?
Because this isn't KJV from post #1493
"FYI, Smith and Mormonism can be clearly seen in Galatians 1, verse 8:
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! "
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 10:20:06 PM
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I know you asked Jimbo, but I want to answer anyway.
I have a King James, New King James, New International Version, New American Standard, English Standard Version, and a 1599 Geneva Bible. I also use the many translations available on the Crosswalk Bible Tools. It is very interesting to study passages in a large variety of translations.
Crankius,
This is off post and maybe a little of topic, but I'm curious, do you socialize/work with any LDS?
Oh yes. I live in a very heavily Mormon area. It's impossible to not be in contact with them.
We are studying the BOM this year and I had a question about what opinion your LDS acquaintances might have about the politics in the BOM and how it may parallel the politics in this country....but seeing that Mormonism bores you....nevermind.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/9/2008 10:20:21 PM
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Perhaps you could send her a pm with a link to the thread.
But please, do not bring Lakeland up in this thread again, and do not make off topic posts.
And--friendly hint: when admin tells you not to do something, email him if you wish to discuss it, but do not argue about it in the thread.
Do not reply to this message within the Community, or send me pms or emails about it.
If you have a question or concern, contact community@salemwebnetwork.com
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Hey Harvest Honey,
I have an "odd" question that has nothing to do with LDS. I'm so curious what you think about what's going on in Lakeland? I'd like the perspective of someone who many of us feel is outside the realm of normal Christianity. I don't mean that as a put down in any way, so please forgive me if it sounds that way. I'd just like your opinion on it. Sometimes I think about how it would play out if a Mormon showed up at the doorstep of a JW or vice versa. Things like these interest me. Thanks
What's going on in Lakeland?...Where is Lakeland?
But for the other...When a JW comes to my door...and it has been a while...I listen to their message and thank them for the literature. I am not into arguing religion. The JW's aren't the only ones to come to my door. I buy plenty of things to help support fund raisers for youth missions--which are mostly Baptist kids.
Uh, the 120 page thread right above this. I take it you only read the mormon thread? I'd really like your perspective on Lakeland. Thanks
This thread is not for discussing the topic of what is going on in Lakeland.
If someone wants to discuss that topic then one should do so in that thread rather than bring it over into this one.
Thanks!
How do you suggest I do that since she stated that she had now idea about Lakeland? I was trying to figure out how to do it but I figured the best and only way to guarantee that she would see it was to ask her in the thread in which she posts.
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