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Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/17/2008 8:14:51 PM)

Well, I guess mine *could* have been caused by the Pit, but my OB thinks it was more because of the pre-e. Maybe he just doesn't want to admit the side effects of pitocin? Either way, it was well worth it for a healthy baby.



Karaboo2 -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/17/2008 8:17:52 PM)

No dx of any bleeding disorder (mind you, no testing has ever been ordered, despite me asking for it -- gotta love not having a family doc, and relying on the services of clinics and the ER) ... the only thing which was ever discovered was stage 1 uterine cancer after I had #3 ... and the pregnancy with #4 actually helped it improve somewhat (fewer abnormal cells due to the constant influx of natural progesterone during pregnancy)



TammyIsBlessed -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/18/2008 12:15:24 AM)

The good one is definitely cervidil

I was induced with pit with all 4 babies and I never needed a c-section. With #4 they induced me with cervidil first and that definitely helped, but I still got pit to augment labour. I wasn't too concerned about it that time because I'd never reacted badly to it before.

The problem with pit is it makes you that much more likely to get an epidural. Basically every extra medical intervention makes it more likely for another one to occur, until a c-section is needed.

I would insist on the cervidil first. If your cervix is very soft already, they can still use it, they just have to be very careful exactly where it's placed - this was what my dr did with me with #4. I was already dilated to 3cm and very soft, but I still wanted to try that first before the pit, and my dr thought it would likely help.

If you have to go with pit, go low. And once contractions seem to be going well, ask them to turn it off or even just to turn it down and see if your body will take over.



Brandy -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/18/2008 1:39:37 AM)

No induction tonight. Her fluid level was better than this morning so I go back on Thursday, if fluid is lower than tonight we induce.

She even got the hiccups while doing the NST and that was fun to hear.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/21/2008 2:53:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: purejoy

Thanks, gals.
I guess that's the funny part...I'm not uneducated. In fact, I'm very educated in both areas. And I am totally and completely fine with a hospital birth. I know certain things I don't want from a hospital birth, and certain things I do want.
Maybe it's partly because I'm laid-back-not-looking-for-a-birth-experience, and partly because in general I'm very comfortable with hospitals. They don't scare me, so there isn't that aspect of it, either. I know why they're doing what they're doing, and if I don't, I will ask....


:) I think if I ever have kids I'd be fine with the hospital and their procedures/policies. Of course I won't know for sure til I'm there, but I'd rather go that route. I do love the practice of medicine in general though, and I know all the "sides" and aspects to everything.

My point was that many think that women who choose hospitals, drugs and C-sections were poor misguided souls and ignorant of "facts." Some women make informed choices, but still choose what another woman would think is a travesty. [sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif] Some women know what they're doing; they just didn't do what the next woman did. I don't think women need to feel badly about choosing things that aren't what everyone else chose, and I don't think people need to put the guilt trips on others about it.

ETA, Cute doggie! I had one that looked just like it until my neighbor poisoned it. [8|]



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/21/2008 3:03:39 PM)

Some hospital policies I am ok with, others I think are rediculous like not letting a woman eat for 48 hours. That is just plain ridiculous. I had no more of a risk of needing a c-section when I was in the hospital for "observation" then I did when I was at home, but I still was not allowed to eat. But then, our hospital also doesn't require constant fetal monitoring as long as you don't have a complication(like pre-e) or pitocin/epidural.

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I do love the practice of medicine in general though, and I know all the "sides" and aspects to everything.


So do I, but that doesn't mean all the rules are necessary or that I have to agree with them.



isaacsmom -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/22/2008 11:15:43 PM)

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The problem with pit is it makes you that much more likely to get an epidural. Basically every extra medical intervention makes it more likely for another one to occur, until a c-section is needed.


Sounds like my first birthing experience . . . . induction by pit due to pre-e and PUPPPS . . . doc breaks water . . . turn up the pit . . . . "go ahead and give her the epidural when she's at a good 3" . . . . labor stalls at 4 cm. . . . baby's heart rate drops . . . . starts getting his little head stuck . . . . time for c-section . . . . afterward my uterus refuses to contract because it's "tired" after having been on pit for 12 hours straight . . . . blood clots start to back up in uterus . . . . nurses get concerned and calls doc back in . . . . doc comes back to hospital after having "just gotten home to sit with her dogs and read the paper", proceeds to remove clots NOT gently. [&:]

All was well within a day or two. I was just really burned by my docs attitude after that birth, and it forced me to become more educated. My doc was so cold and impersonal. And rough. I didn't feel like she really cared enough to be very informative about my choices. I didn't know I HAD choices. That all sounds really negative and it's taken a while for me to get over, but honestly my second c-section was a truly lovely experience, all in all. The doc made all the difference. A NEW doc, of course. [;)] And the fact that I didn't develop pre-e the second time around (which, again, I just didn't know much about the first time around or how to help prevent it).



Brandy -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/28/2008 10:30:27 AM)

posting in here to remind myself that i need to share my epi and pit experience in here.

We did have a vaginal birth, no tears to speak of, very small tear inside labia but no treatment other than peri bottle. I'm happy about that.

Ok, goal over next few days, get her story written up and get feedback for future deliveries..



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/28/2008 10:36:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey

Some hospital policies I am ok with, others I think are rediculous like not letting a woman eat for 48 hours. That is just plain ridiculous. I had no more of a risk of needing a c-section when I was in the hospital for "observation" then I did when I was at home, but I still was not allowed to eat. But then, our hospital also doesn't require constant fetal monitoring as long as you don't have a complication(like pre-e) or pitocin/epidural.

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I do love the practice of medicine in general though, and I know all the "sides" and aspects to everything.


So do I, but that doesn't mean all the rules are necessary or that I have to agree with them.


Yeah I know; many women disagree. I just believe in following their rules unless it's been discussed ahead of time and agreed upon that you will not be following or have an alternate way, etc. :) Of course not all of them are necessary... I know a lot of hospital staff that even think that. [;)]



manda59 -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (6/28/2008 11:32:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brandy

posting in here to remind myself that i need to share my epi and pit experience in here.

We did have a vaginal birth, no tears to speak of, very small tear inside labia but no treatment other than peri bottle. I'm happy about that.

Ok, goal over next few days, get her story written up and get feedback for future deliveries..



I'll be interested to read your account, Brandy, as and when. [:)]



W.O.F. -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (7/27/2008 3:03:57 PM)

bumping because I think this thread is important[:D]



landabee -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (8/5/2008 2:07:19 PM)

Manda asked:


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Did you have your C-section by general or epidural/spinal anaesthesia?

What pain relief (if any) did you have afterwards?

I'm curious because someone in another thread put:
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my sister post-C-section was really hurting and would be completely OUT of pain meds and they'd make her walk and stuff before giving her more


When I had my C-section, I had no pain meds after the first night (I had it under general), and none were even offered after that time.

But that was back in the Dinosaur times - maybe we were tougher then? lol

I don't know how many days after the C-section this lady was in pain and needed meds, but in my experience getting up and walking around was what got me better.

I'd be interested to hear about other ladies' experiences with C-section and pain relief.



landabee -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (8/5/2008 2:11:08 PM)

My reply following isaacsmom in the closed thread:

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ORIGINAL: isaacsmom


With my first, I had an epidural because I was initially in labor and ended up with an emergency C.


Me also. I had labored for over 26 hours and then failed to progress.

Following that section, I was given oral meds in the hospital after the initial anesthesia wore off and I was taken to the ward. I don't know what they gave orally, but I was breast feeding. I do know that pain was less than I expected.

I had to walk to the nursery to take my baby for the baby checks required every few hours. Other than that, he stayed in room with me. I was up less than 7 hours post surgery.

Second section:

I had been scheduled to be sectioned on the 16th of the month, but went into labor on the 14th on my own. Since the cause of my stalled first labor had been identified.....it was pointless to labor. I was put under general anesthesia and the baby taken, also he started to show stress and a very low heart rate.

I was given percocet for pain when I woke up. I also had quite a bit of bleeding and required more rigorous uterine massage. So....that contributed to the pain.

Recovery for the second one was harder than the first. But I suspect that it was probably due to not having emotional support, as I was in the throes of divorce. Also, I returned to work (patient care) three weeks after delivery.



JoyfulLady -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (8/5/2008 3:01:56 PM)

I had my C under general, after several hours of labor. I got Percocet alternating with ibuprofen the whole time (3 days) in the hospital and they sent me home with Percocet.
I took something probably 3 times a day in the hospital. Once I was home, I thought I wasn't going to need it, but I ended up taking Percocet at night so I could sleep a little better.
They also got me up walking around within a few hours of my C....boy did I think it hurt to get out of that bed (and it did, every time) and it did hurt to walk around, but at the same time it felt really good if that makes sense.



isaacsmom -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (8/5/2008 4:33:34 PM)

Here's my post from the closed thread:

With my first, I had an epidural because I was initially in labor and ended up with an emergency C. I was quite sore afterward from having been in labor and having a few complications afterward, and my doctor was quite rough during the surgery, unfortunately.

The nurses got me up 8 hours after the surgery and made me walk to the bathroom. They made sure I was up and at least walked to the bathroom about every 8 hours. By day 3 (day one being surgery day) I was walking around the room. I was VERY sore and weak for about 2 weeks afterward. I lost a lot of blood during/after the surgery. I was given Percoset in the hospital, but I only asked for it once per day, because narcotics make me itch terribly and I just don't like the other effects from pain meds (loopiness, etc.). Mostly I requested ibuprofen (800mg, I believe). I only took my Percoset once after coming home from the hospital, because I was very sore from the trip home.

Second c-section was scheduled/elective and I had a spinal. I was given Demerol in the OR because my head started pounding from another medication they put in my IV. The surgery went very smoothly, I was amazed at how gentle my doctor was during the surgery! (different doctor, LOL). Afterward, I didn't experience much soreness at all. I felt so good, I walked around a lot the day after the surgery. I didn't request any pain medication, I didn't need it. I walked around a bit *too* much, though, and I really felt sore for a few days after that (days 4-7). I took ibuprofen, no narcotics. I dealt just fine and recovered very quickly.



Roberta_ -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (8/7/2008 2:30:17 AM)

With my C I had a general anesthesia and was given Tylenol 3 for the pain. I didn't take it very often because I was nursing.



manda59 -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (9/29/2008 8:59:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brandy
posting in here to remind myself that i need to share my epi and pit experience in here.

We did have a vaginal birth, no tears to speak of, very small tear inside labia but no treatment other than peri bottle. I'm happy about that.

Ok, goal over next few days, get her story written up and get feedback for future deliveries..






Hey Brandy,

Have you got round to this yet? [;)] [:D]



Brandy -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (9/29/2008 12:13:06 PM)

I have it almost finished, thanks for reminding me.

The main part w the epi.. ugh.

At 41 weeks I had an AFI (Amniotic Fluid Index) and NST (Nonstress Test) done in Fetal Diagnostics. It showed great NST but low fluid. Went to L&D and the US there with midwife showed fine Fluid. Hydrate and rest was the instruction and return in 3 days.

3 days later still on the low side so one MW offered an induction if I wanted. I was by myself and didn't want to think about it really. She said they use Cytotec and Pit. That sealed it, no thanks, no Cytotec ever. She asked if I would go over to the main office and have their US lady check me. She found a LARGE amount of fluid and said to not worry about anything, go home and rest.

Before I had gone over to the office the MW checked me, cervix soft with fingtertip dilation only. I went home and on the way started having more BH's I thought. I wasn't impressed.

That was Thursday, so they continued all Thurs and got more and more intense but not closer, they stayed around 8min apart. Jeremy stayed home Friday and they stayed about the same. Called in and talked to m/w on call, come on in and get checked. No real change, go home.

Saturday things picked up big time. I hadn't slept much since Thursday b/c they were so uncomfortable. She did a quick AFI, no problems, offered Tylenol and Benadryl to get some relief. We had really gone in expecting some sort of change.. and were a bit sad that nothing had happened.

Sunday I'm miserable all day. On the ball with Jer pressing my hips every contraction and they were ramping up big time in intensity. I couldn't talk through them anymore and was getting a bit overwhelmed, well more than a bit really. This was like day 3 of little to no sleep and serious back pain and contractions.

Sunday 10:30p we went to L&D with my hosp bag. The m/w on call said enough is enough, stay and get some Morphine to get through the night and we will talk induction in the am. Woohoo.

Get IV in and had a HUGE hematoma from that for the next week. Get Morphine and almost instantly feel relief. That lasted until 3am. At 3 I was in serious discomfort/pain and we talked more. The m/w offered EPI and PIT. I was so tired and in pain I said yes. Jeremy was at home and I had him come in. He got there right after they had Epi in. I had been terrified of getting an Epi, it just wasn't my plan. ever. But it went in smoothly and he even said that it was a nice Epi, he didn't have to go in that far and to enjoy it.

hmm foreboding words??

Got a urinary cath in, that was pleasant. NOT.

Had some good relief for a while, into Monday things were feeling ok. On the Morphine alone I had gone from fingertip to 3cm and totally thinned out. Yay. With Epi and low Pit I was at 6 mid Monday.

And then.. woah. Mid afternoon I started getting some SERIOUS pain in my back and belly.. Anesthesia came in and gave me a bollus and replaced my now empty Epi bag.. things were better. For an hour.

More Anesthesia Dr's, they examined my Epi site, said it looked good, and gave me another bollus of meds. That helped. For 2 hrs I think.

Total I saw 4 anesthesiologists in that time period until delivery. It was insane, I could not feel my legs but I could feel by low back and belly completely. Where was the pain relief??
I started getting really worked up and overwhelmed. Around 11pm my m/w that I liked the most, the one I wanted to deliver my baby, came in and sat with me for a good 30-40 minutes. Jeremy was at home sleeping. She talked me through the contrax and helped me breathe. I texted Jer and had him come back in, I didn't want to be alone anymore. But I didn't want him touching me either. Poor guy. He would give me water and cool compress and then play his Game Boy in silence because sounds were driving me crazy too. I really think at this point I had maybe 10 hrs sleep since Thursday night.

I was the woman everyone on the floor could hear with each contraction, I was in so much pain and nothing the Ane's did helped. I was just going to deal with it. Yay. great. awesome. Totally how I envisioned my birthing experience. Can't get out bed, urinating into a bag, haven't eaten in forever and moaning/screaming in pain every 4-8 minutes. awesome.

Gonna post this much and go tend to baby, will come back and ETA the rest.



manda59 -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (12/10/2008 1:10:15 PM)

Ruth,

Just thought I'd bring up this thread for you in view of you having a date now for your elective Caesarean. [:)]



Sideways -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (12/10/2008 1:21:10 PM)

Ah, thank you!

The last time I went in for a section, it was midnight, and we'd had more then 30 hours of cervadil, pitocin, the whole nine yards. I was to tired to care about anything.

Now, I'm walking into it voluntarily, without even trying for a natural birth. I still believe we're doing the right thing, but it is still major surgery, and it makes me nervous. I think it will make for a smoother time. I just wish I had an earlier surgery time, because of the fasting before hand.

My mom is coming over the night before just to be sure there are no problems in the morning; she'll stay with Nathan, and my father will drive from his job to our house Thursday night and take Friday off. We'll be at the hospital by 11:15am, and surgery should be at 1:15pm, but of course, I could go in later if the doc needs to do any emergency sections.

So, surgery is Thursday afternoon, I should be home by Sunday afternoon. My hospital, by the way, is jokingly referred to as "the baby factory". They average 50 births a day and total over 18,000 per year. It is a massive place, but the nurses are fantastic. They give you their work cell numbers, and will help with anything, even keep visitors away if you're tired and don't want to be the bad guy. Everyone has a private room; there are no shared rooms.



Roberta_ -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (12/11/2008 1:24:34 AM)

Thursday as in 12/11/08?

I will be in prayer for you!

#3 was a C. I wish #4 was too.



Sideways -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (12/11/2008 4:05:04 AM)

Oh no, sorry. It'll be 1/9/09, so still a little ways to go.



SurpassingPeace -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (1/1/2009 11:47:32 AM)

Manda I wanted to thank you for starting this thread as well. After my first c-section I could not believe the flack I got from it. I was told I was a wimp, I should have just pushed through, all kinds of bizarre things. These people didn't seem to understand that I had an emergency c-section to save the life of my child and my own. My baby's head was so big and my hips were so small that she was not coming out that way. I did hard labor with no drugs for almost 12 hours, then an epideral so they could do a procedure to open things up. I was in labor for 18 hours. My sugar crashed and I was so pumped full of pitocin that I began vomiting ( I was so pretty for the after shots!). Then my blood pressure crashed. After all that I was fine because I had a healthy baby and I recovered. The goal was to come home with a baby and I did. I just could not believe people's comments.

This time I have a schedule c-section. The conditions are the same and since it hasn't been very long between pregnancies my doctor is concerned with uterine rupture. Now I end the negative comments really quick by saying, "Well if we hadn't had the c-section both Hannah and I would be dead. We didn't feel like going throught that again." That now ends the conversation.

On the personal side, I didn't want to go through all that labor, end up in a c-section, and have to recover from all of it with a new baby and an 18 month old toddler at home. It just wasn't my idea of a good time.



Roberta_ -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (1/1/2009 11:57:40 AM)

You know, childbirth, whether C-sect, vaginal or through the nose is a pretty personal experience. Why do others feel the need to critize how someone else's delievery went?

When I had my gall bladder removed, no one gave me a bad time about having surgery.[8|]



manda59 -> RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and discussion thread too? (1/1/2009 12:02:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SurpassingPeace
"Well if we hadn't had the c-section both Hannah and I would be dead. We didn't feel like going through that again." That now ends the conversation.

Nice one!! [:D]
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On the personal side, I didn't want to go through all that labor, end up in a c-section, and have to recover from all of it with a new baby and an 18 month old toddler at home. It just wasn't my idea of a good time.

Your birth experience this time will be much better; your recovery from an elective section (that's what we call them in the UK!) will be much quicker. You will be able to make plans for your older child, your body won't have had to be under the stress of labour, and it will be all round more relaxed for you. You might even enjoy it! [:)]

(Remember to pack some big granny kniokers - ones that come right up to your waist)



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