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cybrjewls -> RE: 144,000 NOT JEWS (1/15/2008 2:15:32 PM)
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Greetings! We see that the tribe of Joseph replaces one of his sons tribes, the tribe of Ephraim who did not stand in the faith in accordance with the Word spoken by Isaiah and the tribe of Levi replaces Dan which Jacob prophesied concerning that He looks for the Lords deliverance and Jeremiah and The Prophets prophesy about how there was a certain hill established for worship and also in the days of Jesus and the woman at the well, this was an issue to Samaritans.
We remember that one of the Judges leaders Prophets of old was Samson, who was a danite.
There were 12 original tribes of Israel, with the tribe of Joseph represented by Manasseh and Ephraim whom Israel blessed as His own and reckoned them as His sons making 13 tribes, but the tribe of Levi, who were given the covenant of priesthood rather than land for God was their provision and inheritance.
5From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.
Thus, we see that each tribe was blessed by Israel.
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It is written that they are from these tribes of Israel.
Unfortunately, a clear interpretation that the 144,000 are Jewish is confused by John. The list of the twelve tribes is unlike any of the other listings for the tribes of Israel (either as a nation or as descendants of the patriarch) in the OT or NT. OT references range from 10 to 13 "tribes" as well.
As Paul expounds, there is a physical Israel (which can be termed a people, a land, and a person) and the spiritual Israel to which we are heirs!
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Why not acknowledge this and understand that God has something special planned for Israel, yet?
Understanding who the 144,000 are is something we should strive to do.
As defined in the Bible, the 144,000 are the Firstfruits of the Harvest. This means they are of a like kind to the Harvest. As we look forward to the Harvest of the Church, we must differentiate between the physical Israel in its various forms and the spiritual Israel whom we, as "offspring of Israel" are.
I owe prophetlady a debt of thanks; I had glossed over the dual nature of Father/Son in the sealing of the 144,000. This should dispel any notion that these are strictly Jews. Furthermore, we are told these Firstfruits of the Harvest go with Jesus wherever He goes!
This latter fact of prophecy shows two important elements we have to include in our eschatology:
- 1. The 144,000 are not missionaries who go out and convert more because they stay with the Lamb who is Christ Jesus.
- 2. Jesus is mobile after His arrival, going wherever He must, needs to, or wants. I would include mobility between Heaven and Earth in Jesus' works after His paraousia just as Jesus demonstrated He was capable of traversing between these two dimensions after His Resurrection before His Ascension.
Now I would say that God has something special planned for Israel; indeed, that is the reason for the Millennium in my opinion.
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