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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/19/2008 7:08:54 PM
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...If everything were completely optional then we could slash our wrists and leave them to bleed for 24 hours without consequence. Of course, there are things that I think are universally beneficial.
Without question, but let's keep it in the context of the requirements of the law and our relationship to God. We'll address the matters of this world, as important as they truly are, with tax professionals, medical personnel, and auto mechanics as is appropriate. I'm with you so far...
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The New Testament plainly tells us we are all required to walk according to the Spirit. It's the calling we all share without difference or exception. And Paul plainly tells us what that means. It means walking in love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, and so on.
I don't see how that can cause a person to wander off in the wrong direction. It's so clear that it's undebatable (which is probably why it doesn't make for good discussion in the forums).
By the same token, you can not believe that everyone who professes to your position believes it the same way you do without exception. Let's not get bogged down in all or nothing reasoning. Can we start without the bias that all people who hold a particular belief hold it in the same manner.
Yes. In regard to life in the Spirit, I don't adhere to 'all or nothing' thinking the way you suggest it here. That's the beauty of life in the Spirit. The principles of the Spirit play out differently in the various situations and circumstances we all find ourselves in. That's the strength of being guided by principles instead of hard and fast law. I'm sure we'll get to it, but that's what it means to have the requriements of the law written on the heart--not hard and fast rules, but general principles that we apply to the degree any one situation requires.
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Deal. My lazer (laser?) is focused and ready to go.
Let's keep that laser focused.
Focused and ready, but let's get going before I burn a hole in my wife's curtains. And if you even once call me 'grasshopper' I'm outa here! "..wax on, wax off...wax on, wax off..."
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Point 1: old way/new way
Do you believe it was necessary for those who lived prior to Yeshua's(Jesus) incarnation to live according to the "letter of the law"? If so, for what purpose or purposes?
Yes, it was necessary. Without a doubt. It was in order to secure God's promise of life and prosperity, and to be righteous before Him.
"The LORD commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the LORD our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. And if we are careful to obey all this law before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness." (Deut. 6:24-25)
The key being their righteousness. There is no life, no prosperity, no blessing of God without righteousness. You must do what is right and just (be righteous) in order to realize the promises of God:
"For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him." (Genesis 18:19)
I'll try to keep my posts short.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/19/2008 7:36:40 PM
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...I honestly see us going around in a circle.
The only reason we go around in circles is because nobody will address most of what I share, so I am forced to bring it up again and again. You did fine sharing your view of Romans 7. But now you need to address the new stuff I shared concerning your view.
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...I've gotten "rebuked" and made to feel like something is God awful wrong with me and they way I believe.
No, you got 'rebuked' privately because you were openly mocking and shaming me in this forum, not because you are observing Torah.
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To be told consistently that I'm walking in far less than what Christ has for me by keeping Torah and instructing others gets old.
Let me make it clear...'settling for far less than what Christ has to give. Most of us agree Torah observance in and of itself is not wrong.
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Especially when I know I've and others have supplied ample amount of scriptures to give an answer to the faith I espouse to. Which is what I'm starting to feel. I respect where you are coming from, I've been there, done that, bought and sold the T-shirt! I know just about all the arguments to the contrary! I gave them myself! LOL
But when I got serious for myself and geniunely researched, I'm convinced that Torah is for us today and there is nothing nobody can tell me to the contrary.
And you are entitled to that. But does that mean we cannot share why we each think the way we do????? And when new rebuttal gets added, it's expected that you would respond with new or more detailed defense, (if you want, anyway). What's wrong with that?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/19/2008 11:51:48 PM
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Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 2:41:04 AM
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I'm sure this has been brought up before, but slogging through over 130 pages of discussion seems a bit daunting at two in the morning... Anyway -
I was wondering what people's opinions on Acts 15 are; specifically in view of verse 5, where those who claim that Christians must follow the law are portrayed in a negative fashion.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 9:03:09 AM
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You tell me to keep it in context
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You see where I'm coming from? Context is King my friend!
The context was God or Money not as you Baptist or followers of the wrong ideas of the law would like for it to read sin or God. But for the love of money all roots of sin abound. Should I have my yachat or plane, fancy car. Or help some who is really in need. Because as one person told me God helps them who help themselves. I ask him for the verse on that one and there was total silience.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 9:03:24 AM
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Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
It's funny how we argue for 10 commandments, not 9, but the truth is Jesus Himself narrowed them all down to 2. And even that is really only 1 command when you consider that, practically speaking, loving God is loving your neighbor.
That's why I go to bat for what the NT teaches; everything condensed into a heart of love that seeks to fulfill the underlying purpose and intent of the law, not the letter of the law. And that intent is to protect you from me, and me from you.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 9:11:18 AM
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I'm sure this has been brought up before, but slogging through over 130 pages of discussion seems a bit daunting at two in the morning... Anyway -
I was wondering what people's opinions on Acts 15 are; specifically in view of verse 5, where those who claim that Christians must follow the law are portrayed in a negative fashion.
My point exactly. If I remember correctly, wherever the NT addresses (post-resurrection) literal law keeping directly, it discourages it. I'll let the law keeping crowd comment on this passage before I say anymore. They have their reasons why we should not understand these passages as references to the Mosaic law.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 9:33:22 AM
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LoyalGypsy,
I've been wanting to comment on psileste's recent post. Like you she has been blessed in a Messianic meeting. And the natural conclusion that we draw from these experiences is that these people must be doing the 'right' thing and that's why God meets them this way.
I started out in the Chrismatic movement right after getting saved. I'd never experienced such overwhelming delight and freedom in the Holy Spirit in those services. I, too, decided it must be because they have purposely defied the status quo and brought back 'Biblical' methods of praise and worship and meeting together and that's why God blesses their meetings.
I looked down on all the other mainline Churches I had attended, criticising their cold, dead meetings, and their lack of obedience to open up and conduct their services the way, surely, God wanted them to.
Well, I learned there is no formula for experiencing the power of God in a meeting (but there certainly is the danger of suppressing the power and presence of God, but that's not where I'm going). I learned from experience and the scriptures that the presence and power and blessing of God follows those who have a humble and pure heart, and who are cultivating the fruit of the Spirit in their hearts and lives. Which can all be summed up in one word...love.
John 14 and 15 contains Jesus's promise to 'show Himself' (charismatics call it 'manifesting') to the person who is obedient to love...not lift hands in praise and worship, speak in tongues, meet on this day or that, throw away all bulletins, use overhead music instead of hymnals, put dimmers on the sanctuary lights... You get the picture.
This particular Church I attended leaned toward the WOF movement, but my heart so pure at that time that I just wanted to know God. I didn't get caught up in the distorted WOF message (don't get me wrong, there is a real 'prosperity' message for the people of God).
Don't be fooled into thinking some have cornered the market on powerful manifestations of God's presence because they are conducting their worship services at the right time or in the right way. The NT is clear, God's presence is made manifest to the person who obeys the command to love from a pure heart. Plain and simple.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.] (Matt. 5:8)
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 9:41:39 AM
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Jesus is Torah, the truth, and according to the Messianic Community and the Jewish Community the truth is called Torah, it always has been and always will be.
By definition alone ….truth is opposing alike to the superstitions of the Gentiles and the inventions of the Jews, .................and the corrupt opinions and precepts of false teachers even among Christians,
Therefore 1 Timothy said …. “”so that if I am delayed, you may know how one should behave
…….And as we can see….No one is excluded!
You wrote Jesus is torah and because a Messianic Community and the Jewish Community said so. This is from a community which God had plan for them to become his spoke persons . To the other nations. Who would in turn, would say that the true God was with them and we should follow them because they are so full of love.
Wrong as can be wrong. Their stories in th old testament showed them to be worse than the nations around them. Would not take what they say as exsample to a good life.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 11:21:13 AM
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Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
It's funny how we argue for 10 commandments, not 9, but the truth is Jesus Himself narrowed them all down to 2. And even that is really only 1 command when you consider that, practically speaking, loving God is loving your neighbor.
That's why I go to bat for what the NT teaches; everything condensed into a heart of love that seeks to fulfill the underlying purpose and intent of the law, not the letter of the law. And that intent is to protect you from me, and me from you.
Greetings
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It's funny how we argue for 10 commandments, not 9, but the truth is Jesus Himself narrowed them all down to 2. And even that is really only 1 command when you consider that, practically speaking, loving God is loving your neighbor.
That's why I go to bat for what the NT teaches;
Moses already reiterated those 2 greatest commandments.
Granted that once one becomes into the Kingdom, God slaps them with knowledge of the scripture, or should I say the illumination of the scriptures in the NT comes from the OT,
So when we listen to Him as Moses said, this hearing that come form listening is not based on the surface text of the NT, the listening or the hearing of the NT comes by revelation of the OLD, which is why Jesus is called the Messiah= the anointed one.
Jhn 16:14 He 1565 shall glorify 1392 me 1691: for 3754 he shall receive 2983 of 1537 mine 1699, and 2532 shall shew 312 [it] unto you 5213.
Jhn 16:15 All things 3956 that 3745 the Father 3962 hath 2192 are 2076 mine 1699: therefore 5124 1223 said I 2036 , that 3754 he shall take 2983 of 1537 mine 1699, and 2532 shall shew 312 [it] unto you 5213.
What in the world was Jesus speaking of… that is His??
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me
All 3 of those those things are His!........that 3754 he (GOD) shall take 2983 of 1537 (Jesus) mine 1699, and 2532 shall shew 312 [it] unto (US) you 5213.
Which were written in the Law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms
This is what the HS brings to remembrance.
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That's why I go to bat for what the NT teaches; everything condensed into a heart of love that seeks to fulfill the underlying purpose and intent of the law,
That’s why me in particular would like to know what those underlying intents of the Law was, so I can take a peek as to why certain things are not going correctly in my life so I can recognize that when the HS is suggesting things that I have no knowledge of, I can hear Him (who brings to our remembrance) and correct it!!
And would like to know what that underlying intent of the Law was, and what that would have produced if the first covenant was not found to be faultless.
But In order to do that we must first be found faultless (in Christ)... then the rest is simply a given in the correct order.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 11:26:49 AM
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We are back in the same revolving door argument.
Kinda reminds one of a white dog chasing his tail? lol.
We had an episode this last Sabbath.
A fellow who claims to be self-taught contradicted what the teacher said.
Then after the service make a show of acknowledging he shouldn't contradict
a teacher in public.
My responce was that if we "discuss" a subject it isn't contradiction.
But if we say "I'm right and you're wrong" then it's contradicting each other.
I may or may not vacate, but most of my time will be spent lurking.
I caught my tail, so I quit running. ROFL.
With all due respect (and I mean that), you're a little short on substance. I know your reasons are different for why you think some (not all) aspects of Torah are still literally binding. The truth is, many of the arguments used in this thread for defending literal law keeping are easy to defeat. But I know you don't adhere to those simplistic ones.
If you truly want to be a guide and an instructor for the truth you have found, take the time to share so these new people in the threads can glean something. That's why I continue to hang out and revisit the same old arguments. I'm interested in helping the new crop of people here understand why the Church doesn't keep literal Torah anymore, and to help them avoid the trap of settling for far less than what Christ died to give us.
Am I really expected to respond to this?
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Come on, are you playing hard to get, gentlemen? get back here, pretty please, I cant believe you have nothing to say to reply Sponge!
Lbolt gives the reasoning well enough again and again.
So unless there's something "new" I'll lurk and respond if needed.
And my MO, just for information, is I don't respond to every accusation and
every question. Especially if it's a method of diversion to the topic.
And I seldom spend the time it takes to go over super long posts.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 11:37:39 AM
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Not here, the best thing my mother did at Gods command when I was young was to pull me out the RCC, for reasons made known to me in due season...
Sweet merciful Jesus! Who ever heard of a Jew joining Catholic church? oh,dearest brother LG  How did you manage to get yourself into RCC, what a rascal. i mean i been to catholic-jewish weddings, those are fun, but participants are not really believers..
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 11:48:19 AM
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I guess I'll be turning 59 this July.
may God give you blessings! As my beloved rabbi says “"Getting older is better then the alternative"
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I caught my tail, so I quit running.
you mean you staying half bent to the side with the furry tail in your mouth, what fun is it?:))
For real, Lap,you study what looks like quite a significant, highly commendable amount of time. I don’t, so please do share what you consider profitable! We might not agree here, but it will be educational, that’s for sure.
We can't have a productive debate with those that already know and already agree with us.
Most educational debates I ever participated in have no resolution whatsoever, people will be debating those topics and never agree until the 2 coming. It’s the journey, as saying goes, not the destination.
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Lbolt gives the reasoning well enough again and again. Not yet about the questions i asked and points Sponge made. I immensely appreciate his input and have a soft spot in my heart for this occasional troublemaker and hellraiser LB. You boys fight bloody but i see honest hearts i can learn from.I will address his points, of course, which doesnt mean you shouldnt contribute as well. We all are family here (last time i checked NT we were ;).
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 12:04:01 PM
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You boys fight bloody but i see honest hearts i can learn from.
That made me think of the Dorsey Brothers. LOL.
Kinda like our own bros and sisters. I can beat them over the head,
but nobody else better lay a hand on them. LOL.
And it is a bloody fight. The Blood of the Covenant.
Not with each other, but with the enemy who would take our attention
away from the essentials.
Ain't God just plain Good?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 2:13:58 PM
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I'm not making any statements, nor responding to any post.
Just thought I'd post a passage from "The Scriptures." (from
the Institute For Scripture Research; South Africa)
I just finished Hebrews and started Romans in my daily "personal" reading.
Romans 3:27-31
27. Where, then, is the boasting? It is shut out.
By what Torah? Of works? No, but by the Torah of belief.
28. for we reckon that a man is declared right by belief without works of Torah.
29. Or is He the Elohim of the Yehudim only, and not also of the gentiles?
Yea, of the gentiles also,
30. since it is one Elohim who shall declare right the circumcised by belief
and the uncircumcised through belief.
31. Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not be! On the
contrary, we establish the Torah.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 3:51:54 PM
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31. Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not be! On the
contrary, we establish the Torah.
Establish it meaning, to the letter, in it's complete entirety? Or only some of it, as in everything minus the worship regulations? Or establish it in the sense of upholding it's underlying purpose and intention and not literally? Is there any way to know what Paul could mean here?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 4:15:09 PM
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I gave a response in which I poured out my heart to try to give an answer an intelligent well thought out answer.. I don't know how I can say the same thing differently, which is what I'd be doing.
I greatly appreciate that, and see your sincere heartfelt Love for God and hard studies!
and have nothing against it,there is no need to reword it. But your point has never been under debate.People before in the thread, and Sponge and I now, keep honestly assuring you and others from Torah camp that we respect your ways.
Look, we promote freedom – it would be hypocritical if by that we meant freedom to "do as I do ". I go to state school and that is precise the positions of clinically liberal, ultra left, radically inclined profs there:) You can have your way, if that is what brings you closer to God.
So far I saw a wonderful convincing explanation why it is good for you. Again – we don’t object to that, more power to you, brother!What I am asking is to share why do you think others should and are missing something by not acting the way you do.
Take it as a compliment , Torah camp, that you are being asked, not get offended. It means we consider your opinions worthy of consideration.If we were dismissing you as a bunch of silly bozos we wouldn’t be asking!
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I respect where you are coming from, I've been there, done that, bought and sold the T-shirt!
Not quite.You say have been a messianic cong. member for about a year?That means you had 1 celebration of Pesach, etc.. I had, may God give strength to my parents, 20 of them. I know and appreciate all the benefits of Torah and Tanakh read tons of wise and not talmudists works, rabbinical demagoguery , etc..
My relationship with my rabbi, even after my conversion to Christianity is one of the fondest and loving. We are so close if he was about 50 years younger and not married it would even look suspicious  .
I do see Jesus in celebrating all the holidays in the way my family does, even they don’t see it. So trust me I am not trying to dismiss your knowledge as old and unnecessary to my new ways….
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 5:31:09 PM
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I'm sorry, it's hard to continue when my intelligence has been insulted repeatedly. I've gotten "rebuked" and made to feel like something is God awful wrong with me and they way I believe. It feels like playing ping pong
Well, neither you no I no anybody else is perfect and trouble free. "The only man that stopped causing trouble is the widow’s husband", as our saying goes..
Like a sticker I saw in PA – "Pittsburgh –a drinking town with a football problem" .. Keep the Law – a fighting thread with a religious problem :) or it surely looks like to me so far :))
There are jews ans Jew sympathizers here. Everybody knows that if those are involved the situation is going to be tough,Grandma and grandpa used to argue about what's for dinner with the intensity of “ When and how to blow up Iran” debate.
We gotta deal with it, brother.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/20/2008 6:35:45 PM
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You boys fight bloody but i see honest hearts i can learn from.
That made me think of the Dorsey Brothers. LOL.
Too pre '1964 invasion ' for me  . Gotta consult wikipedia on this one, lol!
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/21/2008 9:14:30 AM
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SpongeBlog
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Where have all the good times gone? Add to that, the stray cat I grew particularly fond of crawled into a bed of beautiful foilage by the porch yesterday and died. How fitting a place for such a beautiful creature. He was my buddy who'd follow me all around the yard, into the basement, wherever I'd go when I was working around the house. My downs syndrome son and I like to mimick his purring and nail sharpening episodes. We will miss that cat.
But enough of that...let's get back to our varying degrees of lawlessness. No, not how we're conducting ourselves in this thread, lol...not that lawlessness. I mean how each of us is defending how much of the law we don't have to keep anymore. Afterall, isn't that the real crux of what we are debating?
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/21/2008 11:40:47 AM
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Lapidoth
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Afterall, isn't that the real crux of what we are debating?
Got me there! lol.
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/21/2008 7:51:06 PM
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Odeliya
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So sorry to hear you lost the cat, Sponge! God sends such nice messages to us thru simple things –cat taught the kid and you even a stranger can become affectionate and friendly if met with kindness.The mordibly obese cow that passes for a cat my parents own wouldn’t even move much, let alone follow someone….
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nail sharpening episodes. The thread been providing these services for years, looks like we all sharpen our nails on each other :)  come closer here, friendly Sponge i wont hurt you… :)
what I googled out about Dorseys is they were musicians, playing trumpet, trombone and sax,( all that you blow air into, so maybe Lap meant we are full of (hot) air?)
Unless they were also or very loving or perpetually on each other’s throats which would also work for our situation : ) Where is that vagabond? Lapie, dear, can I have you for a second here, what did you mean, friend?
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SB: Afterall, isn't that the real crux of what we are debating?
Lap: Got me there! lol.
when nothing helps, read the instructions:) I did go back to OP - sure enough, that 's exactly it!
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/21/2008 10:21:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: Odeliya
So sorry to hear you lost the cat, Sponge! God sends such nice messages to us thru simple things –cat taught the kid and you even a stranger can become affectionate and friendly if met with kindness.The mordibly obese cow that passes for a cat my parents own wouldn’t even move much, let alone follow someone….
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nail sharpening episodes. The thread been providing these services for years, looks like we all sharpen our nails on each other :) come closer here, friendly Sponge i wont hurt you… :)
what I googled out about Dorseys is they were musicians, playing trumpet, trombone and sax,( all that you blow air into, so maybe Lap meant we are full of (hot) air?)
Unless they were also or very loving or perpetually on each other’s throats which would also work for our situation : ) Where is that vagabond? Lapie, dear, can I have you for a second here, what did you mean, friend?
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SB: Afterall, isn't that the real crux of what we are debating?
Lap: Got me there! lol.
when nothing helps, read the instructions:) I did go back to OP - sure enough, that 's exactly it!
Greetings,
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what I googled out about Dorseys is they were musicians, playing trumpet, trombone and sax,( all that you blow air into, so maybe Lap meant we are full of (hot) air?)
Can I put my 2 cents worth in?? 
Here is a quater.... its not so much about the Dorseys Hot Air, but bad breath , and because of it they were told many times ......There is the door,,,see!!! !!!
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RE: Keep The Law? - One Stop Thread - 5/22/2008 8:37:43 AM
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SpongeBlog
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ORIGINAL: Odeliya
...God sends such nice messages to us thru simple things...
Yes, and that's exactly what it has meant to me all this time.
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nail sharpening episodes. The thread been providing these services for years, looks like we all sharpen our nails on each other :) come closer here, friendly Sponge i wont hurt you… :)
I don't know, maybe we all oughta stick to sharpening our claws on the side of the sofa.
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what I googled out about Dorseys is they were musicians, playing trumpet, trombone and sax,( all that you blow air into, so maybe Lap meant we are full of (hot) air?)
Prolly. That makes a lot of sense to me, lol! I do liken my participation in these forums to 'tootin my horn'.
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SB: Afterall, isn't that the real crux of what we are debating?
Lap: Got me there! lol.
when nothing helps, read the instructions:) I did go back to OP - sure enough, that 's exactly it!
You are not allowed to do that. That's a man thing to go back and read the instructions after all else fails. And don't try to tell us were lost either!
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