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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 11:48:25 AM
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restinginHim
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LBolt, what a thoughtful and honest post. 
Hmmm, i never gave much thought to an avatar. I use it because i like cute things - like smileys and such  . This particular bird picture i chose because it doesn't represent me but rather reminds me of this verse: "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink;
or about your body, what you will wear.
Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?
Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns,
and yet your heavenly Father feeds them.
Are you not much more valuable than they?
Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
Matthew 6: 25 It comforts me to remember not to fret  but to remember GOD loves and values all of us.  Now that it is brought to my attention, i will research this avatar dilemma... 
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 11:49:04 AM
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Lapidoth
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Do not take what is posted personally and think I or anyone else is condemning you. Do not get bitter or offended...allow it rather to sharpen you in the things of God.
As long as we just cut up and act silly we get along.
But, when the serious issues arise, we start taking it personal.
Just the nature of it all I guess.
For those interested in the "facts" there are several who will provide
links to those facts.
Perhaps we could debate Christmas and Easter. They are still abominations.
but we could debate them because we look at them like everything else -- through emotions.
Yet, I don't think Halloween is as easily debated.
It is what it is and there is no glory to God at all in it.
Yet, because we have been taught and inherited the customs
of other lands and cultures before any of us were born, they seem righteous enough.
The discussion isn't about anyone's salvation or anyone's intent.
The discussion is about the facts.
I'm a fact kind of guy. when I didn't go to church with my wife, she always
said, "What will I tell everyone when they ask where you are?" I always replied,
"Just tell them the truth, I didn't want to come to church."
I could out quote the church people. I knew better. but at that time I just
didn't want to. To be honest and true to myself, "I didn't want to go" was good enough for me.
Same with these holidays. I would take the stand (shutter) that I don't care what
the Bible says, I'll do what I want.
But I do care, and I quit all these anointed non-biblical holidays.
We discussed this this morning. How we did in years past with Halloween.
Anyone interested in Hanakkuh knows that that is a better time to have costumes and parties.
There's history and meaning in Hanakkuh.
A shekel and a half worth.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 12:20:56 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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The Milk Moustache
Some people think that the milk moustache was started by the American Dairy Association. However, they are sadly mistaken. Its roots are actually deeply embedded in the worst of occult practices and ideas in our world. Unfortunately, this obscure practice is unknown by many who proudly sport their milk moustaches today in photos beside their posts (otherwise sometimes called "avatars"), commercials, and at the breakfast table.
In an ancient belief-system known as laittrairism, a child was born. She was immediately recognized first by her parents as a special child, so they pierced her ears and made her wear only dresses. When the grandparents saw her, they also saw in her those qualities that would soon give her renown in Rac on the French hills of Reims, then the known world.
As time went on, there were many outstanding qualities in the child Noja, one of which was that whenever she would drink milk, she would retain a luxurious milk moustache. No one else had them; theirs were always thin, nearly invisible, but Noja's were always thick and wonderful, very visible. As a result, desiring to be like Noja, men with hairy moustaches would dip them in cream then wear the cream all day. Soon, the people in Rac began to paint their upper lips white.
To cut this saga of her life short for the sake of band width, Noja of Rac grew up to be in somewhat of opposition to Joan of Arc, as she led her people from the hills of Reim to war against the English. Joan of Arc died in the court-ordered flames because the French court hated her and secretly wanted the English to win the war, to keep Charles from becoming king. Noja, however, in her nobel fight against the English, led her people into Mont Blanc, also known as "La Dame Blanche" (French, the white lady), the white-mustachioed mountain of France and Italy.
There, their descendants live to this day, all wearing the white milky moustaches of their ancestors. Noja's statue stands in the Temple of Noja of Rac, where the people burn incense to her and drink bottled water. They have their photos taken in front of her statue yearly, in her honor.
Therefore, everyone who wears the milk moustache are actually giving honor to the goddess Noja, whether or not they even know about her, as are all who wear any moustaches at all. Furthermore, all who pierce their ears and wear only dresses also honor Noja, as do those who drink water during services.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 1:32:48 PM
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Lapidoth
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Wipes upper lip. LOL.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 1:35:44 PM
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LBolt
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Wow! There goes the milk and avatars! 
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 1:46:45 PM
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Lapidoth
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Every year, when the cold season began, the people believed their sun god was leaving them. They came to learn that his lowest dip on the horizon, about December 21, was followed by his gradual return, until in midsummer he was directly overhead at noonday. It was on the 25th of December that they began to notice this gradual return of the sun god. This day they called the birthday of the sun. Thus, the winter solstice came to be regarded as a time of great importance; and at the festival inaugurated, there was feasting and merriment in honor of the return of the all powerful sun god. It was their belief in the annual journey of their god that Elijah alluded to in his conflict with the priests of Baal, the Syro-Phoenician sun god. (1 Kings 18:27, if "he is a god; either...he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked").
Tammuz was hailed as the son of the sun. He was idolized and even worshipped. The first letter of his name became, in time, the symbol of sun worship. Human sacrifices to the sun god were offered on this initial letter made of wood, known as the cross "T." His birthday, December 25, was honored more and more. When Tammuz died, the pagans instituted forty days of weeping for him before the full moon, following the vernal equinox.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 2:14:40 PM
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LBolt
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Wow, Lapidoth I guess you are killing 2 birds with one link? LOL!!
Sunday, Christmas...
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 2:24:08 PM
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Lapidoth
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ROFL............That makes me doubly ignored.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 2:37:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
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Every year, when the cold season began, the people believed their sun god was leaving them. They came to learn that his lowest dip on the horizon, about December 21, was followed by his gradual return, until in midsummer he was directly overhead at noonday. It was on the 25th of December that they began to notice this gradual return of the sun god. This day they called the birthday of the sun. Thus, the winter solstice came to be regarded as a time of great importance; and at the festival inaugurated, there was feasting and merriment in honor of the return of the all powerful sun god. It was their belief in the annual journey of their god that Elijah alluded to in his conflict with the priests of Baal, the Syro-Phoenician sun god. (1 Kings 18:27, if "he is a god; either...he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked").
Tammuz was hailed as the son of the sun. He was idolized and even worshipped. The first letter of his name became, in time, the symbol of sun worship. Human sacrifices to the sun god were offered on this initial letter made of wood, known as the cross "T." His birthday, December 25, was honored more and more. When Tammuz died, the pagans instituted forty days of weeping for him before the full moon, following the vernal equinox.
>>>LINK<<<
I looked at that RemnantOfGod home page and the author seems to be one of those special fruitcakes that's against everyone & everybody and thinks the Holy Spirit has completely lost control of Christ's church. It's nearly impossible to find anything he's in favor of.
But you can certainly see his roots in things like:
When people die they are unconscious (asleep). All people, good and evil alike, remain in the grave from death until the resurrections.
and:
In the Christian life, there is complete separation from worldly practices such as ungodly card playing, visiting theaters, dancing, novel reading, competitive sports, watching unprofitable television programs, and listening to sensual, worldly music etc., which tend to deaden and destroy the spiritual life.
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...and from the wearing of earrings, necklaces, bracelets, rings, colorful cosmetics, and any form of adornment...
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The papacy [Roman Catholic Church] is the antichrist of the Bible prophecy
AND, one of my favorite absurdities:
THE MARK OF THE BEAST
The religious observance of the first day of the week, known today as Sunday, is the Pagan counterfeit of seventh-day Sabbath observance. Sunday has been promoted by the papacy as a mark of her authority. When Sunday observance is enforced by United States civil law it becomes the end-time mark of the beast.
I bet this guy is a bag of laughs at parties but Jesus certainly would have left him home when He went to the marriage feast in Cana...
Carl, do you believe all the blarney from that website????
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 2:53:03 PM
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Mistletoe was the most sacred plant of the Druids. . . . [It] was given great reverence . . . because it grows on the venerated oak. The custom of kissing under the mistletoe comes from the ancient idea that mistletoe is the oak's genitals.
this was taken from one of the posted links....
I have great and beautiful oaks in my backyard with mistletoe and spanish moss hanging from them like wonderful adornments. If I kiss my sweetie under the tree, it is because I enjoy his company viewing this wonderful God made/ man managed land. Do I have to give that up because of some ancient customs by people I've never met?
BTW, this thread has been not only about Christmas but spun off of last year's Christmas thread. We had heated debates and some good silly fun and a few folks didn't want to give it up in January.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 4:00:27 PM
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OH GOSH! I hope you are being SARCASTIC. Or how about those people who read the church magazines during the Pastor's sermon!
You're right, I was being facetious. It just seemed to be in line with that screwball website posted earlier.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 4:06:21 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Popsi & Fletch, I am surely doomed! I type in my Bible!
(Gotta check out the website.)
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 4:26:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bluethread
I have not gotten rid of my picture because, I do not see it as a graven image which one might worship, regardless of what others call such a representation. On the contrary it is a representation of the attempt of my "brothers" to do things the Scriptures tell us to do in order remind ourselves to not violate Adonai's commands and be a light to the nations.
That said, let's try to stay on topic.
It is the guts of the topic. The same rationalization for returning to a pre-Messiah Jewish lifestyle that eshews "man-made" customs and other less than Torah-friendly practices should dictate that you research avatars and in horror get rid of it.
In brief, an avatar in Hindu philosophy is the 'descent' or incarnation of a divine being (deva) or the supreme being (god) onto planet Earth. The logic goes from the Torah folk is that having an avatar is nothing less than invoking false deity, even if the avatar is Snoopy from the cartoon strip Peanuts. The origin and use of avatars is far more sinister than a day set aside to celebrate the Incarnation of God the Son.
As you so aptly put it, "In for a penny, in for a pound."
I guess it is the guts of the topic. We were talking about people who accuse others of being in bondage because they observe days that have literal biblical significance, while at the same time finding fault with those same people for not observing things derived from the accusers interpretation of Scriptures.
I do not expect others to live as I do. I merely suggested it as an alternative. Now, I find myself accused of being in bondage and not living up to a standard I never professed. Would it be acceptable to say that those who observe "christmas" are in bondage to the society of the USA? Also, what is it when someone says one is not keeping December 25th properly, if it does not include an acknowledgement of something that didn't even occur at that time?
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 4:54:41 PM
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LBolt
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Bluethread, it's like typing to a blank wall...They'll find a way to justify X-mas through humanistic reasonings or finding fault with those who post contrary. I'll just joke around a not even worry about it. LOL!
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 4:57:47 PM
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...Would it be acceptable to say that those who observe "christmas" are in bondage to the society of the USA? Also, what is it when someone says one is not keeping December 25th properly, if it does not include an acknowledgement of something that didn't even occur at that time?
A) Society did not make the decision to celebrate the Incarnation on 12/25. Society followed the established Church, then added much that wasn't present hundreds of years ago. So it's a moot point about being in bondage to society.
B) I have never seen a handbook on how to keep 12/25. I have routinely celebrated the Incarnation on other dates for my family's convenience without any feeling of impropriety. It's the keepers of ancient feasts that seem to have a proper way to "keep" feasts. Again, a moot point.
C) I believe I have said more than once that I've known December 25 was not the day of the Incarnation since the 1960s. That is a non-issue.
Just curious, since Carl hasn't found time to embrace or reject the statements I posted from his authoritative website on Sabbath & Christmas, what do you think about the sorts of things that person and his crowd teach?
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/5/2008 4:59:56 PM
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Lapidoth
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I looked at that RemnantOfGod home page and the author seems to be one of those special fruitcakes that's against everyone & everybody and thinks the Holy Spirit has completely lost control of Christ's church. It's nearly impossible to find anything he's in favor of.
I was trying to find who this guy was. lol.
thanks.
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I wonder what they would think about drawing cartoon illustrations in church?
