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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/13/2008 3:20:10 AM
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My son had a Palm Pilot that he was using for his Bible stolen at youth camp a few years ago. I don't know why I didn't think at the time, hope the person who stole it read it! But whoever stole it was at least somewhat familiar with the Bible, since it was a church camp at which it was stolen.
My son is 18 years old now, and still very into technological gagetry. But now that he has a laptop he has moved beyond a PDA, and barely uses one anymore. Just a few weeks ago he asked me for an amazing thing--a paper Bible!
BTW, Abiyah, I haven't gotten to have much conversation with you lately, and I've been really missing it. It's been my fault--I've been reading threads where you've been but I just couldn't think of anything to add to the conversations. I wanted to just pop in and say, "hey, I'm here!" but I couldn't think of anything on-topic to say that would add to the conversation. But hey, I like talking to you, and reading your posts!
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/13/2008 10:36:00 AM
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Hey, Annie! Nice to see you in my parts! I could use the search feature and look you up, but sometimes when I do, I feel like a voyeur or something.  That's probably over-kill, but anyway . . . .
Well, this thread is a free-for-all with hints at holidays, so almost anything goes!
Do they already have Christmas decorations going up where you live? The stores are already full of halloween junk, which I detest, but I have also seen some Christmas stuff. Curious, too, do some people where you live decorate for halloween like they do for Christmas -- starting early, with lights, ghosts, etc. that stay up for a month or so? Is anyone else bothered about the celebration of death, gore, and ugliness in this stuff as I am?
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/13/2008 3:20:49 PM
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Well, this thread is a free-for-all with hints at holidays, so almost anything goes!
So far anyway, but I am concerned it will get mean closer to Christmas. 
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Curious, too, do some people where you live decorate for halloween like they do for Christmas -- starting early, with lights, ghosts, etc. that stay up for a month or so? Is anyone else bothered about the celebration of death, gore, and ugliness in this stuff as I am?
We do have someone like that, they have the gaudiest holiday decorations for just about every holiday it seems. Right now they have a big blow up ghost, and all sorts of stuff.
I like it when people decorate for fall with hay bales, pumpkins and such though.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/13/2008 10:59:06 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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ORIGINAL: Abiyah
Well, this thread is a free-for-all with hints at holidays, so almost anything goes!
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ORIGINAL: Kath
So far anyway, but I am concerned it will get mean closer to Christmas.
That really bothers me, too, but I have to stop and remember that I used to be an anti-Christmas, anti-Easter, anti-halloween Nazi, too. Guilty as charged, although you did not charge me -- I did. Well, maybe you did a few years ago, too.
Here's what I think:
There is a time, and there are threads, for people to get militant about these things if they feel the need. What we need to remember is that we are family, we are of the Body, and we are representatives of Messiah, so we need to write as though we are.
And before I proceed further, I have recently written things on CW that were shameful, so I am not innocent!
This thread seems to have been started by a Messianic with some good fun in mind, and with a little re-education in mind as well, but if I have read the OP correctly, he had no intention of demeaning and trouncing those who disagree. Admittedly, I have missed some posts, but I cannot, at this time, produce evidence to the contrary of that. I think we can stick to the idea of gentle banter without attacking, without forgetting who we are in Messiah. I hope.
I love the people here at CW as much as one can without knowing them IRL. I have failed at times in showing that, but I think there is always a time to relearn, recommit, and start over, doing our best to treat each other as family.
Bluntly, as a Messianic, sometimes, I am embarrassed at other Messianics who just trounce people, having fun doing so. But I have to remember that I have done it, too, and recently. The Messianics are no more perfect than we think that the church is. Frankly, I sometimes find them more troubled by bad doctrine than many churches. And when we act outside of the love of G-d toward other believers or unbelievers, we are so far out in left field that third base must be invisible.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/13/2008 11:23:40 PM
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I haven't seen a lot of Christmas decorations yet, but my dh has already started Christmas shopping. He usually starts early, and he does most of the shopping for our family, for which I'm grateful, because he's better at it.
I don't like the Halloween decorations, either. There are a few in our neighborhood that like to go all out for it, but I haven't seen that happen yet. I'm sure it's coming, though.
I did see some Christmas crafts in the craft section of Wal-mart last week and bought myself a project to do. I was going to start it one day last week, but I was too tired. Maybe I'll start it next week. I bought a pattern for pajama pants, and blue material with a candy cane print. For some reason, my family laughed at me about it, but I'm looking forward to it.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/14/2008 12:11:00 AM
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Kath
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This thread seems to have been started by a Messianic with some good fun in mind, and with a little re-education in mind as well, but if I have read the OP correctly, he had no intention of demeaning and trouncing those who disagree.
Carl has been nice :)
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/14/2008 7:21:16 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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G-d help the rest of us Messianics to follow his lead.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/15/2008 2:23:00 PM
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ORIGINAL: Kath
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This thread seems to have been started by a Messianic with some good fun in mind, and with a little re-education in mind as well, but if I have read the OP correctly, he had no intention of demeaning and trouncing those who disagree.
Carl has been nice :)
ROFL..............
thanks Kath, now I "have to" be on good behaviour? lol.
I did make a resolution not to be mean about it this year.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/15/2008 2:26:16 PM
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I just had a great idea for a new candy for Halloween.
I wouldn't divulge it, but I have no plans on making it. lol.
A flaming red candy wrapper with appropriate graphics.
"FROM THE PITS OF HELL!!!!"
Inside a candy that will set your mouth on fire.
Perhaps an additive that will simulate smoke coming out the nostrils.
Oops, sorry, thought I was in the Halloween thread. lol.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/15/2008 2:55:24 PM
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Lapidoth
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Wow, Kath.
All them kids yours.
Great family if they are.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/15/2008 3:02:43 PM
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Thank you Carl, but no, those are my nieces and nephews on my wedding day. I wore pink because I like pink :)
I'll stick an avatar up of my kids :)
This avatar is from a picture taken 10 years ago.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/15/2008 3:27:13 PM
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Lapidoth
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SANTASHMANTA n. The explanation Jewish children get for why they celebrate Hannukah while the rest of humanity celebrates Christmas.
I was actually kinda guessing that?
Like maybe could have been a S.S. Class.
Still a great bunch of kids.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/15/2008 3:28:33 PM
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Lapidoth
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That's a great pic too.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/17/2008 7:54:27 PM
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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
Here's what I think:
There is a time, and there are threads, for people to get militant about these things if they feel the need. What we need to remember is that we are family . . .
You probably didn't grow up in a family full of boys.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/17/2008 8:55:50 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Perhaps not, but I grew up in a family with two brothers and 6 or so foster brothers (2 at a time) over the years.
But as adult believers, I think that the way respond to others with whom we disagree should be based upon what the Bible says about loving one another and treating others with respect, even when we disagree maybe that should be especially when we disagree. I know, I know, I know that I fail in this often, but when I see another seemingly being attacked repeatedly in a mainly-fun thread, it cuts me up inside, especially if it is by several who are Messianic!
When I was new on another board, and at the same time new to Messianism, I was viciously attacked there for what I understood about the Bible. I remember very well how it felt, and I don't ever want to join in with the same agenda against believers who are Christian.
I think that there is a time to speak/write and a time not to speak/write. I have a lot of respect for several on this thread and elsewhere, Fletch being one of those, so it hurt to see my friend seemingly attacked by people who say they are Messianics. He had made a statement to me, and I chose not to answer, because while he was making a point, he knows what I believe; why repeat it? I do this with some others, because they know!
I just don't think we need to be constantly trying to make points; we can say what we believe, or recognize that they already know, and respond accordingly in love.
Sometimes, I think I try too hard to be H Spirit, when this was not the job G-d gave me. HaShem will convict in His time those whom He will convict toward what he chooses to convict them toward.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/17/2008 10:31:55 PM
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Amen Abiyah!
I love you.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/17/2008 11:36:49 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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And I love you, Popsi. :-)
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/17/2008 11:53:11 PM
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yay, I'm loved. And on my way to the hospital! Be praying...
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/18/2008 12:06:33 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Whaaaa?
Is it her baby?
Just tell me it's not you!
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/18/2008 7:28:02 AM
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We got our first Christmas catalog last Thursday.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/18/2008 9:08:06 AM
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I think when information is put out that is contrary to what one's believes we are very apt or prone to be defensive and go on the offensive. The sparks fly but they settle down after awhile! LOL Then you realize that you probably should not have said or done what you said or done and regret the actions later.
I know this was hotly debated in the past and will be in the upcoming years to come.
With that said, we tend to have the mistaken notion that love is "mushy" and never direct or poignant. It disagrees adamantly at times, see Paul and Peter in Galatians. It confronts. It's direct. It corrects and the motive is alway pure. It just may not come out civil all the time When Paul called one congregation "foolish Galatians", I wonder how many Galatians were offended when they read that! I wonder how many religious leaders were offended when Yahusha taught in their synagogues, turning over money tables, calling folks hypocrites, whitewall tombs, He even declared that one of His disciples was a devil... Or what about John the Baptist calling people vipers!!
That doesn't seem very loving according to our standards today. And he was called a prophet of the Highest, the Eliyah which was prophesied to "prepare the way of the LORD..."
I recall Messiah asking the question, "Does this offend you?"
I said all this to say that we aren't to be out on a 'witch hunt' of sorts to bring correction and lambast others, however we are given a unique assignment to give truth. You may not like it when it comes or the way it comes, nevertheless, it is to be received if it is truth indeed. Paul in his letter to the Corinthians lamented for coming on "too strong" but rejoiced later when there was improvement. In my household, I've felt the wrath of Khan from my wife and felt she was too hard only to later come back to her and tell her she was right! 
I sure thank God now for being 'checked hard' and 'offended'...it ended up being one of the greatest blessings to me. In fact when I was questioned about the origins of Christmas (which I was a avid adherent to celebrating Messiah's birth at this time for 26+ years), it was no small dispute and 'sparks' did fly. It sure helped me! LOL!
I appreciate and thank the person today for challenging me. He made me soo angry until I began research material to prove him wrong and came back having to rethink my position! Maybe that may happen with people...we'll eventually go back and research the scriptures, history and soul search a bit and then make changes or stay put in our position.
So let's not be too quick to judge "mean, militant or hard posts"...it may be God working through them. 
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/18/2008 11:18:31 AM
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What seems to be forgotten is this:
Virtually everyone on CW knows I am Messianic. One thing I am not is quiet about it, and one thing I do is answer and write as a Messianic at all times, because Messianic is what I am to the core and have been in my heart, in my life, in my soul, in my actions, even in my manner of dressing since 1995. I have been on CW since long before the date that appears on my posts, and this is the way it has always been.
When I first came here, I was in people's faces like some Messianics are here now. I forgot that the love of G-d requires love of His people, with peace, gentleness, meekness, and temperance, and if I can't write and respond to people in that manner, I am a failure.
Information that is contrary to others' beliefs can be written gently, with love. While that information may offend the reader, they can know by the writing, if they choose to know, that the writer does not intend harm.
Discernment can also be used to know when it is best to just be quiet. There are people who are receptive, people who are interested, people who are curious, to people who absolutely do not want anything to do with Messianism in any way. Learn the difference and respond accordingly!
But most of all, don't write things that are rude here and in the Messianic site down in Theo House! (Good night! Don't people realize that others go down to Theo House to read?) Don't be deliberately confrontational! Don't talk about people negatively on these threads! Don't be so rude!
With regard to my notes back and forth to Fletch, they may be on a public board, but I know Fletch, I respect Fletch, and I knew what I was doing. No one needed to step in and help me, especially when our posts there were specifically to one another, with our names being used in them. Use some discretion, for good night! What was accomplished? Fletch left the thread. A "victory" for the "Messianic side"? I think not! We are not the H Spirit! We are not here to convict! But we ought to be tools of the H Spirit.
Messianism, as a whole, is far from perfect. Much of the Messianism I have seen is full or errors and deliberate ignorance. It is time to stop dancing over Christians as though we have it all and know it all: we do not! There are some synagogues that have it together and some that don't. It's time to admit that.
A Messianic, I can't remember who, mentioned somewhere on CW that we ought to bring these things up privately, not openly. I differ. When someone is publicly rude, it should be confronted publicly. Whether or not you receive this with the concern, anxiousness, and love for my people that I am feeling for those who read this is up to you.
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RE: Christmas, 2008 - 9/18/2008 11:42:09 AM
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It's a good post Abiyah. I have often said what would a non-believer think if they logged on, and I believe they do, and only saw us fighting over foolish and trivial beliefs that have no bearing whatsoever on salvation. I fear they would go away saying "I don't need that I am just as good as they are".
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