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sasquash_0 -> Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/9/2008 10:33:04 PM)

Ok, I feel a little silly for asking this question but, I was at dinner tonight with my husband family and my mother-in-law starts talking about another family members wedding that will be in New Mexico. She then proceeds to my husband we should check out the Roswell Museum when we go down because it will tell us the truth about aliens. Now my mother-in-law is very far from a christian woman and frankly I think she is a little nuts, she whole heartdly belivies in extra-terrestials and ufos. This led to a whole discussion.

Now I belivie in the father,son and holyspirit, and frankly I know to the very depths of my being that there is no such thing as aliens. It's simply a product of people's very over active imaginations. However, I had a hard time explaining why I know this. Her reasoning that she gave was if you belivie in God and that God has created everything and everyone,then why couldn't he have created aliens in another universe. Why would we be arrogant enough to think we are it. Why couldn't God be doing the same thing he is doing on earth on some other planet or universe.

All I could say was well, I'm sorry but I don't belivie in aliens and I think it's just hard for us humans to pathom that as big and vast as the universe is that it's all here for us and yes we are the only ones made in God's image. The universe is ours and only ours and has a purpose that we are not even close to understanding yet. I told her we may find bacteria or other minerals etc, however I do not belivie we will every find other human beings and certainly not aliens because they do not exist.

The more I thought about it I thought we are made in God's image, if there were other people they would have to look like us not a weird alien with big eyes, otherwise they very clealy would not be of God nor created by him. Ok, now I feel really really silly.

I was wondering, however if there is anything in scripture about this very subject. I know the topic is going to come up again and I want to be prepared.

Jodi :0)



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deermousie -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/9/2008 11:12:42 PM)

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We can't rule out that there is life elsewhere...
Remember Jesus and the woman at the well? She tried to get off the subject, but He kept bringing it around to her spiritual state.


Bull's eye, Whodeeni.

Sasquash_0, I think this is your answer. All we know for sure is what the Bible says, and it doesn't say anything about UFOs (and Ezekiel's weirdness God doesn't explain). It *does* say a whole lot about sin and people being separated from God and the enormous sacrifice God made to buy us back from the slave market of sin, so we know that for sure.

When she starts talking about UFOs, be noncommital and change the subject to what you do know if it's smooth. If not, who cares what she believes about aliens. If God is gracious and saves her, she'll leave the alien thing behind as she follows God into the Word to be transformed by the renewing of her mind.

May it be so! God bless you, brother!



sasquash_0 -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 1:48:07 AM)

Thank-You for that reference to scripture that may help me in dealing with my mother-in-law and other people.

I know why I feel so silly if not a little stupid because God already provided me with this answer, every time I've asked it. God did create the universe but we are the only ones made in his image period. The universe is for us to explore to use and has a purpose beyond our understanding at this time. In so many ways we really aren't that far from those that use to believe the moon was made of cheese. Silly to us now, but not to them back then. I think the alien issue is the same thing, imaginative but not the truth.

My father is 70 and he says he remebers a newscaster or scientist or somebody saying something about well I wonder if there is life on other planets. Then suddenly aliens things started popping up everywhere everyone was seeing UFO's, everything that couldn't easily be explained was being blamed on aliens instead of looking for common sense natural causes. Then there was H.G. Wells radiobroadcast, and then stuff like Roswell, and then Hollywood took over and suddenly everybody was being abducted LOL!

I really feel silly for even asking tonight, Ialreayd knew the answers, my mind was just swimming after we go back from dinner and I needed the reassurance.

I will pray for everyone tonight.

God Bless,
Jodi[:)]



Mayag364 -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 2:13:38 AM)

I don't think your question was silly.
I suspect most everyone at some point considers your point.
You are just "checking what you belive" in a sense. And thats healthy enough.
Just be sure that as a Christian you keep within the Word.

I'm not certain, but I believe that there were UFO sightings before your fathers era. Do a Google search on this. You can learn alot.

But don't be afraid about what you learn. If you are true in your faith in Christ, you will find that for sure HE did create us.
The Bible actually is silent about many issues.
While I don't believe in UFO's myself, or in Aliens.
I won't be suprised when I get to heaven when I see the Unicorn and the Leviathan mentioned in Job.

God created indeed.

Just don't forget that HE created. And nothing else.



captainfraulein -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 3:02:21 AM)

I once got into a spirited discussion about if it was even biblical to consider believing in UFOs with another Christian! I finally gave up and realized it is really not that important. I think they could exist but I am fine not knowing. I don't think this question is silly at all. It is always good to bring things back to the Cross. Good advice and might I add, an entertaining thread. [&:]



SonInMe1 -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 4:16:37 AM)

I take the Men in Black approach...

there be a lot of weird people out there for there not to be aliens amungst us.

[:D][:D]



PolarBear -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 7:40:23 AM)

Anyone interested in a thorough Christian perspective on aliens and UFOs really should get Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men, a book from Reasons to Believe, by Hugh Ross, Kenneth Samples, and Mark Clark. It tackles the subject from a lot of different angles.

The most interesting part is the chapter dealing with "residual UFOs" -- the tiny percentage of "UFO sightings" that can't be explained by natural phenomena like helicopters & such. There really are some "encounters" that permanently change and scar people, and a few even leave physical evidence that cannot be explained naturalistically. In looking at the circumstances around those reports, Hugh Ross concludes that they are probably of demonic origin. Those types of incidents generally occur in lonely, isolated places and involving people who have been dabbling in the occult. I think there's a good chance he's right about that.



rcjames -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 8:21:59 AM)

I have no reason to believe that there is life elsewhere in the universe, but neither do I have reason to doubt it.

If God ordained life elsewhere for what ever reason then therre is such, if He did not ordain life elsewhere then there is not life elsewhere.

Thanks
RC



DaveW -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 8:59:16 AM)

I was listening to a Dobson radio show about 10 years ago and he had a christian astronomer on with him. They were discussing a meteorite found in Antartica that apparently had come from Mars and had amino acids on it. They both agreed that the acids had to have come from Earth, and if it could be proved they came from Mars, it would prove evolution and disprove the existance of God.

What drivel.

God is creator and He is infinite. I seriously doubt that anyone so creative would make one small planet with an incredible array of life and color and leave billions and billions of entire galaxies full of nothing but dull lifeless rocks.

That said, we have an enemy that would love nothing more than to distract us from the truth of the gospel. My college roommate Jim once said that if a UFO will keep you from the gospel, the devil will make sure you see a ufo. If a ghost will keep you from the gospel, the devil will make sure you see a ghost. If a boy friend or girl friend will keep you from the gospel, the devil will make sure to send you a bf/gf.



1love1God1way -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 12:34:28 PM)

The surest sign that intelligent life does exist is that none of it is trying to contact us.



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sasquash_0 -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 1:55:24 PM)

Hmmm, we all have some interesting views and the books look interesting too.

God has always been my friend, brother, father since I was a child and I always ask him first about everything. The one thing he told me that I never forget is think as you did when you were a child for you knew the truth then, don't every forget it. As a child I knew that there was no such things as aliens, it was fun at times to imagine or read a book of fiction but I knew in my soul and my heart it was just a story.

I feel silly because I feel like God has already told me and why would I doubt God. You know as an adult (I'm 33) when ever I've had the slightess doubt about something that's when I get off track and I can feel it immediately,it's actually quite a scary feeling to me.

It's just last night I felt like my faith was being challenged in some ways it alwaysmakes me feel negative. I also feel like God is saying ok, I gave youthe answer why are you spending time debating this. This whole conversation feels like a waste of energy. So I think I'll just leave it at that.

Thanks for responding though.

Have a blessed day!

Jodi :0)



Kath -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 2:43:33 PM)

The Bible says God gave His ONLY begotten Son.

If there was life on other planets, they would surely fall as we did. Then He would have had to send someone to redeem them. Since the Word of God says His only Son then that to me means there is no life (beings with a soul) as there is here.

I am not talking about bacteria, but some sort of beings with a brain/soul



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Kath -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 3:26:50 PM)

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If they had souls. There could possible be a humanoid-like creature without souls...thus without need of salvation.



Why would He have created such a being?



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still4gvn -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 4:03:12 PM)

IMO, God made us in His image in such things as the ability to love, make choices and be creative. Other creatures could look entirely different and still be 'in His image'. Anyone read the C.S. Lewis sci fi trilogy? His idea is that of all the populated worlds, we were the only one that fell into sin.



LCannon -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 5:31:02 PM)

Proverbs 22:30-"No wisdom, no understanding, no counsel can avail against the Lord. 31 The horse is made ready for the day of battle but the victory belongs to the Lord."

Romans 8:38-"For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I assume 'all' means just that, 'all' in an absolute sense. Christ's blood/Victory is 'all' sufficient for all peoples, dimensions and self-aware(aware of one's fate/future)entities. True 'believers' will believe despite no(or even with sketchy)evidence rather then admit to the truth.("He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." -Jim Elliot-) Until we have the opportunity to share the Hope borne of God with another planet the mechanics of sharing that faith will remain a mystery but it's an intriguing possibility!



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Pauley464 -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 8:30:12 PM)

I've held a lifelong facination for unexplained phenomenon, including the reports concerning the sightings of, encounters with and alleged collection of physical evidence of UFO's. (Specifically, unidentified flying objects. Not meaning spacecraft from other worlds carrying intelligent beings from those worlds, only that they are unidentified.)

I could give a list (A long one by-the-way) describing objects seen, filmed and photographed that have no explanation. Project Blue Book, the gov'ts committee to investigate these reports, admitted it's failure to do so in many cases before it was disbanded.
I could also list documented cases of people from every walk of life who have reported being abducted by "aliens" and have implants. Many of these implants have been removed and cannot be indentified. Their purpose nor their composition. (That latter is most baffling.)
Many of these people are not the excitable, irrational, unbalanced people the popular media portrays them to be. Many of them are military, police, scientists and businessmen. Former President of the United States of America, Jimmy Carter himself is a self-confessed witness to a UFO.
I could list documented cases of objects which landed and left behind evidence which cannot be reproduced in a labratory nor explained by science.
Does the fact that these things cannot be explained mean, by necessity, they must be from other worlds? No. It simply means that we cannot explain it.
Does the fact that the Bible does not speak on the subject mean that beings with souls do not exist on other worlds? No. It only means that the Bible doesn't speak on the subject.

You are asking yourself at this point, "Does he believe in 'extra-terrestrials' or not?"

Part of God's nature is, "Creator". Does He have the power and the authority to create other worlds with other peoples for His own pleasure and purposes? Yes, He does. Why would God, being by nature "creator", begin and end His creation with us? None of us has an answer to that question.
Does, "...made in God's image..." mean our Lord has a physical body with two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears, one mouth, one nose, ten fingers, ten toes and so-on and so-forth? No. it means that we, like He, has a spirit, a will and the knowledge of right and wrong. Could God, in His omnipotence, create other beings on other worlds with these same attributes? Yes, He could. Did He? No one knows.
If these other worlds and other peoples exist, do they have access to God's grace and forgiveness like we do? Maybe, as proposed by C.S. Lewis, we are the only ones who went astray. Or perhaps, these other peoples have their own Savior, sent by God for their salvation. Perhaps God is in a continual process of creating one world after another in an attempt to get one whose inhabitants will finally get it right and the process of divine sacrifice can end.

Now you're asking yourself, "What is this guy rambling on about? Does he believe in UFO's or not?"

Some true-believers will cite the Biblical stories of Elijahs wheel in the sky and the cloud and pillar of fire which led the Isrealites through the wilderness as Biblical evidence of the existance of UFO's. They will also cite the Biblical stories of encounters with angels as the ancient peoples misinterpretation of what were actually aliens. And since we are more advanced, we now know the truth.

Now you're asking yourself, "Where is he going with all of this?"

Well, here it is. Do I believe in the existence of extra-terrestrials and spacecraft from other worlds? I'm undecided. If you can find serious works written by serious, properly trained and unbiased investigators, it is fascinating reading. If you find works written crackpots, it is endlessly amusing.
Does any of it have any bearing at all on our life here on earth and our salvation at the hands of our God? NO.

IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER PEOPLE!

But it is fun.[:D]



SonInMe1 -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/10/2008 10:01:14 PM)

I think, if there is life on other planets then God is there too.

I think, God wrote the bible in times where aliens probably were not taken into account...so I doubt God would write into the bible about aliens on other planets being saved too.

Maybe, if we are ever contacted by aliens, one will be saved. I kinda think...that would be cool.

Maybe, when we leave this world, one of the things we can do is visit the universe and see the Creation in its fullest measue. Maybe we could visit other worldy cultures that have no human base or influence and see God's great imigination in practice.

I think we are too earth-centric and God is too creative to limit His abilities to one very small cornor of the universe.

I can be wrong...it has happened a couple times.



Hayseed -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/11/2008 1:11:54 AM)

God is pretty creative by His own nature. If there is life on other planets and in other galaxies that wouldn't surprise me. However, that doesn't affect me or the price of gas one way or another so I'm not going to get too excited about it.



1love1God1way -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/11/2008 3:05:56 AM)

Well, since we all know that Jesus is from the planet Kolob...

Err. Wait. That's not us.

...nevermind.



crystalblue -> RE: Silly Question About Aliens?? (2/11/2008 3:23:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sasquash_0

Ok, I feel a little silly for asking this question but, I was at dinner tonight with my husband family and my mother-in-law starts talking about another family members wedding that will be in New Mexico. She then proceeds to my husband we should check out the Roswell Museum when we go down because it will tell us the truth about aliens. Now my mother-in-law is very far from a christian woman and frankly I think she is a little nuts, she whole heartdly belivies in extra-terrestials and ufos. This led to a whole discussion.

Now I belivie in the father,son and holyspirit, and frankly I know to the very depths of my being that there is no such thing as aliens. It's simply a product of people's very over active imaginations. However, I had a hard time explaining why I know this. Her reasoning that she gave was if you belivie in God and that God has created everything and everyone,then why couldn't he have created aliens in another universe. Why would we be arrogant enough to think we are it. Why couldn't God be doing the same thing he is doing on earth on some other planet or universe.

All I could say was well, I'm sorry but I don't belivie in aliens and I think it's just hard for us humans to pathom that as big and vast as the universe is that it's all here for us and yes we are the only ones made in God's image. The universe is ours and only ours and has a purpose that we are not even close to understanding yet. I told her we may find bacteria or other minerals etc, however I do not belivie we will every find other human beings and certainly not aliens because they do not exist.

The more I thought about it I thought we are made in God's image, if there were other people they would have to look like us not a weird alien with big eyes, otherwise they very clealy would not be of God nor created by him. Ok, now I feel really really silly.

I was wondering, however if there is anything in scripture about this very subject. I know the topic is going to come up again and I want to be prepared.

Jodi :0)


Wow tricky one. I'm lucky, I've never had to answer this one. Yeah, it's something we should all be prepared for isn't it.

I don't believe in aliens either, simply because why would God create them? And as you said - if he didn't create them to be in his own image, they wouldn't be his children (like us) and if he created them to look like animals, then that's all they'd be. He's not going to make half animals half humans. He created humans in his own image to be in his family.

And since he would have to have created another world for them to live in too - why would he bother? He's already got animals and humans on this one.

I don't believe in them since I don't see why God would have any reason to have them around.



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