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jadab -> RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? (2/20/2008 11:00:30 AM)
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My point (although admittedly a bit satirical) is simply who is this man? And why are people "foaming at the mouth" over him? Surely you've seen his supporters at his rallies. Some of the women remind me of the groupies at a 1960 Elvis concert, or a Beatles concert. The man could say a cow "oinks" and a pig "moos" and people would break a wrist clapping, only to be wiping tears before he's done speaking.
As far as who closely follows him, Ophrah and other Hollywood celebs.
We already established that both his fathers are Muslim and he attended a Muslim school as a child (of course we know he didn't have a choice in these situations, but he has had at least some Muslim upbringing).
As far as his race, I don't think that's an issue.
My point is you simply cannot be all things to all people (let's all join hands and sing "We are the World.")
You have to take a stand. If you claim the name of Christ, then believe and SAY what Christ says. (Either he's the only way, or he isn't). You can't have it both ways. Well, actually I guess you can if you're a politician.
I'm not judging his commitment to God. I sincerely hope he's a true born-again Christian. But you've got to admit he's a little vague on the issues and there needs to be more depth to his message than simply "change." Time will certainly tell if he's truly a positive agent of change or masquerading as an "angel of light."
Again, your wild exaggeration about what you presume his supporters would accept takes away from whatever argument you might have.
I am a supporter and I am a very informed voter. No, he could not tell me that a cow oinks. Your attempt to discredit and marginalize his entire base as gullible or non-thinking is rude, inaccurate, unfounded and irresponsible. I have a Masters in Media Studies, so I realize that people who only rely on 20-second clips from Fox News or CNN will have a shaped viewpoint of any given situation. When you say 'we don't know what he stands for', please understand that 'argument' is lazy and a cop out. Let me know once you've actually taken the time to visit his campaign website and read ALL of his stances and action plans on the myriad issues the nation faces. Or if you don't care to do that, simply admit it.
When I asked the question about his supporters, the entire question was "who do you know who closely follows him and has referred to him as messiah". You didn't answer that question. Oprah and some Hollywood personalites endorse him, but I have never, ever heard any supporter call him messiah or savior. Again, don't try to paint his voters with such a broad stroke.
On the subject of people's behavior at his rallies, I have been to only one. There, I did not witness anyone fainting, no groupie-like behavior, etc. What I saw was people listening to his plans and solutions for some of the issue we face. Of course he had to debunk a couple of myths first, especially the one that you have latched onto and perpetuated. Parts of the presentation were informational - what can be done to restore the employment situation here, how the quality of education can be brought up to standard, etc. These, of course, fall under his general message of change. Duh. Changes will need to be made in order to accomplish these goals.
It irks me when people take what they've received in an e-mail, or what has been spun for them on cable, and try to knock a person down without even bothering to LOOK for information from both sides.
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