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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 3:03:09 AM
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Not all Republicans in the Senate were pro-life. Not all wanted to change the rules. Still, it was Democrats who were blocking the appointments.
If most (i.e. majority) of the Republicans had wanted to end abortion by insuring that Alito and Roberts like judges were on the Federal appellate and circuit benches, they would have changed the rules. The Dems were wrong. That the Reps allowed the Dems to do that puts just as much blood on their hands. Federal judicial seats are permanent. If the Reps had filled every one of them with pro-life judges, don't see what a difference that would have made? Just as you fear what Obama might do (might cause he's not been elected), can't you see what could have been if GWB's appointees had gotten in?
According to pro-abortionists GWB did exactly what you say he didn't. They claim he "stacked" the federal courts with pro-life judges. You saw those references before.
The premise that we could , "...end abortion by insuring that Alito and Roberts like judges were on the Federal appellate and circuit benches..." is wrong. While they can help with many pro-life issues, they certainly cannot "end abortion." They cannot overturn Death Roe.
It might be helpful if you wondered why not even 10% of Dems are pro-life instead of wondering why 100% or pro-life Rs are not.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 5:31:05 AM
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Interesting that we have 176 discussions on whether or not Obama is a Christian, a man who professed to being a Christian, who has a home church for over 20 years with a website, and only 29 posts to the site of whether or not McCain is a Christian. McCain has admitted he's not born again and his "home" church or his denomination is in question. But the consensus among his supporters is, it doesn't matter. I guess cause since McCain acts and looks more like a Christian than Obama, he's more acceptable.
What has been the discussion here is, is Obama the type of Christian we want him to be? Does he fit the republican definition of Christian?
In other words, the title of this thread should have been, "Is Barack Obama a RepubliChristian?" A RepubliChristian is what John McCain, GWB and a lot of other Republicans are. No need to scrutinize their faith, their church, pastor, lifestyle, etc. They've got a good ol' American name, they're pro-life, anti-gay, pro-gun, anti-affirmative action, anti-taxing my money,etc. McCain, who says he's a Christian but not a born again Christian (indicating to me that not only is he not a Christian, but that he doesn't even know what one is), IS a RepubliChristian. So that's okay. No need to pursue any further. The immigration thing can be overlooked since his pro-life stance covers a multitude of sins, according to the RepubliChristian bible.
So I guess the answer to the question is, NO, Obama is NOT a "Christian." Not the kind some of you want him to be. And he probably never will be. So now can we move on?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 7:44:44 AM
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Not all Republicans in the Senate were pro-life. Not all wanted to change the rules. Still, it was Democrats who were blocking the appointments.
If most (i.e. majority) of the Republicans had wanted to end abortion by insuring that Alito and Roberts like judges were on the Federal appellate and circuit benches, they would have changed the rules. The Dems were wrong. That the Reps allowed the Dems to do that puts just as much blood on their hands. Federal judicial seats are permanent. If the Reps had filled every one of them with pro-life judges, don't see what a difference that would have made? Just as you fear what Obama might do (might cause he's not been elected), can't you see what could have been if GWB's appointees had gotten in?
According to pro-abortionists GWB did exactly what you say he didn't. They claim he "stacked" the federal courts with pro-life judges. You saw those references before.
The premise that we could , "...end abortion by insuring that Alito and Roberts like judges were on the Federal appellate and circuit benches..." is wrong. While they can help with many pro-life issues, they certainly cannot "end abortion." They cannot overturn Death Roe.
It might be helpful if you wondered why not even 10% of Dems are pro-life instead of wondering why 100% or pro-life Rs are not.
Okay this is going to have to be my last post. I don't want Satan to get joy thinking that he's splitting the cause. You and I are both on the same side - I think. Neither of us wants dead babies. Neither of us wants people in political office who don't respect life. The difference is that you seem to blame abortion on Democrats. I blame it it on people who don't care, who don't know the word to be truth, and don't take action to see that all life is respected.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 9:01:51 AM
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I agree @saved9201
We are sitting here behind our screens arguing if Mr. Obama a Christian or not and not considering that it’s not our place to judge his walk with God. The man believes he’s saved and has a testimony to share, but negate the fact Mr. McCain is a Christian in name only. Has admitted that he is not saved, not born again so therefore have no testimony of how Yeshua has changed his life. Yet this thread is 8 pages long and Mr. McCain’s is only 2 pages. I guess everything is cool with Mr. McCain as long as he has an “R” next to his name, because it’s obvious here that his salvation status does not matter. We are suppose to let the Holy Spirit guide our decisions and use the bible as the play book. Unfortunatley, I seriously think we are more likely to let 2 letters(“R” and “D”) after a politicians name and the stuff they say guide our decision making instead. Don’t you all know that these guys are pretty much saying the stuff you want to hear? In many cases they are playing on our fears, our insecurities and even our spiritual walk just to get our vote. In the past 8 years I have witness politicians and pundits pimp Christianity to get what they want. These people don’t care about us as Christians all they want is power, position and prestige.
Anyway, I hope none of you take this the wrong way, but we really need to self-examine ourselves. What kind of Christians are we? Are we the type of Christians that belong to “the Loveless Church”, or “the Persecuted Church”, or maybe “the Compromising Church”? Could it be “the Corrupt Church” or “the Dead Church”? Is “the Faithful Church” or “the Lukewarm Church”? We can pretty much gauge who WE are from what is written about these 7 Church’s. With that being said it’s not our place to examine or judge this man’s salvation status or his walk with Christ, especially since some of us need examine ourselves including myself.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 9:38:58 AM
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that it’s not our place to judge his walk with God.
State your source.
I judge peoples walk with God all the time and rightfully so. If Obama, McCain or anyone else were saying "abortion is great and we need more" am I then allowed to judge or at least question "his walk with God"?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 10:05:02 AM
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that it’s not our place to judge his walk with God.
State your source.
I judge peoples walk with God all the time and rightfully so. If Obama, McCain or anyone else were saying "abortion is great and we need more" am I then allowed to judge or at least question "his walk with God"?
Do you judge yourself in the same manner? You are not suppose to judge anyone without 1st judging yourself and you better hope that you are darn near perfect. What are my warts? What causes me to fall? What is my stronghold? These are types of questions you have to ask yourself before going off on someone about if they are a Christian or not. Instead of judgment our job as Christians is to use discernment and then take corrective measures by planting the seed of God's gift to those who are not saved, to those who do know Christ but are in a backsliding state and even to those who are not sure about eternal destination. Have we gotten so saved, sanctified, filled with the Holy Spirit that we think we can pass judgment on those who are in error anytime we want? See the problem with a lot of us that we are so heavenly bound that we have become no earthly good to those in and outside the body of Christ. Instead of us debating if Obama is a Christian or not why not reach out to him or people like him.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 10:27:20 AM
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Do you judge yourself in the same manner?
All the time
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You are not suppose to judge anyone without 1st judging yourself and you better hope that you are darn near perfect.
Far from perfect, am the chief of sinners
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These are types of questions you have to ask yourself before going off on someone about if they are a Christian or not.
Not going off on anyone, just saying I can within bounds granted to me as a follower of Him judge from a persons actions/words where I think their walk with God is.
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Instead of judgment our job as Christians is to use discernment
You cannot discern unless you take in the information and judge it, weigh it out.
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Instead of us debating if Obama is a Christian or not why not reach out to him or people like him.
Am not saying if Obama is a Christian or not, you said it was not our place to judge his walk with God. Do you have a source and/or authority that says as a Believer I cannot "judge" anyones walk with God?
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 11:22:51 AM
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. Judge it by Gods word, not some polotican. And saved, ken, wing, you remind me of the woman at the well. Changing the subject, because you know what the word of God says. This is not McCain thread, Republican thread. This is about BO, and the one poster about the church, which one are you. Be sure you are not the lukewarm church, McCain admits he cold. BO is lukewarm, not believing Jesus is the only way. Now you professing Christians are making me angry, look at your own heart, just as you told me to. Make sure you will not be vomited out yourself. This makes me furious! Jesus is the love of my life, and I would never, ever! just to be right, deny the broken body, and shed blood of Christ, by saying a person can be a Christian, denying Jesus is the only way. People who fall for this line of mess, are ripe for cult abuse, and deception. For those that know what the word says about the Lord being the only way, calling Theology. Whatever, this is dangerous spiritually. If you want to vote for him fine, that is fine, but do not lie, about the word. If this is TOS I am sorry, I will take it because I will never, never, deny my Lord. It is what it is! Not Barack Obamas word.
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Do you think BO is a Christian according to the word?
I do not find reason to doubt his word.
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If so can you defend it?
Frankly, the way he lives his life speaks louder than an declaration of faith or theological position.
In any case, I think a candidate's faith is between him (or her) and God.
Thank you for pointing this out. I think more Christians would do well to remember what you just said.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 11:29:45 AM
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You see, I would have to know what Obama meant when he says or thinks that Jesus is not the only way. Whether or not that sentence should be taken at face value or if he's submitting to the C.S. Lewis way of thinking that Jesus isn't the only way. Meaning that Jesus is the only way, but that you can know Jesus without specifically knowing his name.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 11:31:10 AM
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. Judge it by Gods word, not some polotican. And saved, ken, wing, you remind me of the woman at the well. Changing the subject, because you know what the word of God says. This is not McCain thread, Republican thread. This is about BO, and the one poster about the church, which one are you. Be sure you are not the lukewarm church, McCain admits he cold. BO is lukewarm, not believing Jesus is the only way. Now you professing Christians are making me angry, look at your own heart, just as you told me to. Make sure you will not be vomited out yourself. This makes me furious! Jesus is the love of my life, and I would never, ever! just to be right, deny the broken body, and shed blood of Christ, by saying a person can be a Christian, denying Jesus is the only way. People who fall for this line of mess, are ripe for cult abuse, and deception. For those that know what the word says about the Lord being the only way, calling Theology. Whatever, this is dangerous spiritually. If you want to vote for him fine, that is fine, but do not lie, about the word. If this is TOS I am sorry, I will take it because I will never, never, deny my Lord. It is what it is! Not Barack Obamas word.
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Do you think BO is a Christian according to the word?
I do not find reason to doubt his word.
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If so can you defend it?
Frankly, the way he lives his life speaks louder than an declaration of faith or theological position.
In any case, I think a candidate's faith is between him (or her) and God.
Thank you for pointing this out. I think more Christians would do well to remember what you just said.
In case you haven't realized it yet I do happen to believe that Christ is the only way. I believe I've even said as much, repeatedly. I simplly don't think I have the right to judge another man's walk with God. I believe the analogy was that you should remove the plank in your own eye before talking about the splinter in someone else's. That's the attitude that a lot of us are talking against. The idea that anyone here is better or more righteous because we're at a different place in our respective walks.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 11:34:13 AM
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We are sitting here behind our screens arguing if Mr. Obama a Christian or not and not considering that it’s not our place to judge his walk with God. ...
Whether we associate with a person who calls themselves a brother is based on our judgment of them by their fruits;
(1Co 5:11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
(1Co 5:12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
(1Co 5:13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
We are instructed to not associate with those who claim Christianity, but their fruits do not hold to that claim.
I am sure the disassociation would include voting for them as President.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 11:36:49 AM
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He ment there is more than one path to heaven. It was no Romans 1 statement. He was not going to offend anyone. Either you give it all you got for Jesus, or do not bother. His whole church is messed up. and of course hearesy is going to be out of control, just read the website, look at the ministries. Now this may not bother someone, I am not judging if they vote for him or not. It bothers me, but that is a personal thing. What makes me furious is Christians on this board denying the Lord, it breaks my heart. They will take BOs word, over Gods word. That is a spiritually scary thing. This is all I have to say about this, people hear what they want, and if they know the truth, I am sorry for them. Blessings to you.
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You see, I would have to know what Obama meant when he says or thinks that Jesus is not the only way. Whether or not that sentence should be taken at face value or if he's submitting to the C.S. Lewis way of thinking that Jesus isn't the only way. Meaning that Jesus is the only way, but that you can know Jesus without specifically knowing his name.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 11:43:58 AM
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He ment there is more than one path to heaven. It was no Romans 1 statement. He was not going to offend anyone. Either you give it all you got for Jesus, or do not bother. His whole church is messed up. and of course hearesy is going to be out of control, just read the website, look at the ministries. Now this may not bother someone, I am not judging if they vote for him or not. It bothers me, but that is a personal thing. What makes me furious is Christians on this board denying the Lord, it breaks my heart. They will take BOs word, over Gods word. That is a spiritually scary thing. This is all I have to say about this, people hear what they want, and if they know the truth, I am sorry for them. Blessings to you.
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You see, I would have to know what Obama meant when he says or thinks that Jesus is not the only way. Whether or not that sentence should be taken at face value or if he's submitting to the C.S. Lewis way of thinking that Jesus isn't the only way. Meaning that Jesus is the only way, but that you can know Jesus without specifically knowing his name.
Could you point out where any of us have denied Christ OR the Word of God? I'm curious because I know for a fact that I haven't done any such thing. Maybe some of us are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and not openly judge his personal walk with Christ. That's not our job. God will convict him on the issues in His time, not ours.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 11:53:37 AM
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Maybe some of us are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and not openly judge his personal walk with Christ. That's not our job. God will convict him on the issues in His time, not ours.
Please reread post 186, judging a fellow Believer is our job, and it goes to our association with that person.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 11:54:40 AM
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We are sitting here behind our screens arguing if Mr. Obama a Christian or not and not considering that it’s not our place to judge his walk with God. ...
Whether we associate with a person who calls themselves a brother is based on our judgment of them by their fruits;
(1Co 5:11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
(1Co 5:12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
(1Co 5:13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
We are instructed to not associate with those who claim Christianity, but their fruits do not hold to that claim.
I am sure the disassociation would include voting for them as President.
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Amen. Excellent post, RC.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 12:14:19 PM
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He ment there is more than one path to heaven. It was no Romans 1 statement. He was not going to offend anyone. Either you give it all you got for Jesus, or do not bother. His whole church is messed up. and of course hearesy is going to be out of control, just read the website, look at the ministries. Now this may not bother someone, I am not judging if they vote for him or not. It bothers me, but that is a personal thing. What makes me furious is Christians on this board denying the Lord, it breaks my heart. They will take BOs word, over Gods word. That is a spiritually scary thing. This is all I have to say about this, people hear what they want, and if they know the truth, I am sorry for them. Blessings to you.
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You see, I would have to know what Obama meant when he says or thinks that Jesus is not the only way. Whether or not that sentence should be taken at face value or if he's submitting to the C.S. Lewis way of thinking that Jesus isn't the only way. Meaning that Jesus is the only way, but that you can know Jesus without specifically knowing his name.
Now wait a darn minute!!!! How dare you think I’m denying the Yeshua (Jesus) as my Lord and Savior! Don’t ever and I mean ever as long as you are on this board ever question my walk. YOU DON’T KNOW ME! You want to know what angers me.
What angers me are Christians who think their walk is more significant than others. What angers me is that we have taken up the attitude of the Pharisee when dealing with non-believers or those who have strayed from their walk. What angers me is doing what I need to do as a believer, but having to deal with mean spirited people who also say they are believers. Now to say or to imply that I and others are denying Jesus just because we believe it’s not very Christian like to question someone else’s spiritual walk. That’s ridiculous! There is one way to heaven and that is through Christ and if this is what Mr. Obama believes then that is a personal matter between him and the Father, not him, you, people on this board, and God, just him. Our job as Christians is to pray for this man. Pray that he truly does have a walk with God and Pray that if he has strayed that God will deliever him from those negative strongholds in his life. Not just sit here and question and even belittle his walk.
Now go kick rocks.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 12:25:02 PM
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Pray for him as a person?
Absolutely.
Pray that this abortion-loving, tax-raising, government-enlarging man doesn't take the highest elected office in the land this coming November?
You better believe I will.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 7:08:03 PM
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Judge it by Gods word, not some polotican. And saved, ken, wing, you remind me of the woman at the well. Changing the subject, because you know what the word of God says. This is not McCain thread, Republican thread. This is about BO, and the one poster about the church, which one are you. Be sure you are not the lukewarm church, McCain admits he cold. BO is lukewarm, not believing Jesus is the only way. Now you professing Christians are making me angry, look at your own heart, just as you told me to. Make sure you will not be vomited out yourself. This makes me furious! Jesus is the love of my life, and I would never, ever! just to be right, deny the broken body, and shed blood of Christ, by saying a person can be a Christian, denying Jesus is the only way. People who fall for this line of mess, are ripe for cult abuse, and deception. For those that know what the word says about the Lord being the only way, calling Theology. Whatever, this is dangerous spiritually. If you want to vote for him fine, that is fine, but do not lie, about the word. If this is TOS I am sorry, I will take it because I will never, never, deny my Lord. It is what it is! Not Barack Obamas word.
If this is about BO, why are you attacking our faith? You are way out of line.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 9:48:29 PM
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Where did I attack your faith? and Ken you have sat there tellling me, how wrong I am, what church in revelation I belong too, I never judged your faith I judged Bos by the word of God, I just ask that you show me in scripture what a Christain is. No one did, no one. I said anybody, and I ment anybody, who can take a mans word over Gods I worry about. I was told it was really just something about theology and Jesus being the only way. I was told I judged because I was republican. I am told all sort of mess, judging my walk. And Ken, do not ever on this board talk to me that way again. You are rude, even after I have tried to make peace. No one questioned your faith, I questioned anyone, that means anyone who takes a mans word over God. It is a dangerous thing, so if I did not say Ken why is your nose out of joint. I never said you did not believe Christ is not the only way. I said this of Bo. Did I single you out? Or you just wanting to fight? and Pink Panther guy, you said the thing about taking Bos word over anything. But if any of you thought I judged your salvation, you or either making it up to incite trouble, or read the post wrong. I am amazed how you have twisted every word around to suit your needs while judging me and my walk on every post.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 9:55:09 PM
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Where did I attack your faith? and Ken you ahve sat there tellling me, how wrong I am, what church in revelation I belong too, I never judged your faith I judged Bos by the word of God, I just ask that you show me in scripture what a Christain is. No one did, no one. I said anybody, and I ment anybody, who can take a mans word over Gods I worry about. I was told it was really just something about theology and Jesus being the only way. I was told I judged because I was republican. I am told all sort of mess, judging my walk. And Ken, do not ever on this boars talk to me that way again. You are rude, even after I have tried to make peace. No one quwstioned your faith, I questioned anyone, that maeans anyone who takes a mans word ovewr God. It si a dangerous thing, so if it doid not apply why is youtr nose out of joint. Did I single you out? Or you just wanting to fight? and Pink Panther guy, you said the thing about taking Bos word over anything. You threaten other poster on the pm. But if any of you thought I judged your salvation, you or either making it up to incite trouble, or read the post wrong.
And I quote: "What makes me furious is Christians on this board denying the Lord, it breaks my heart. They will take BOs word, over Gods word. That is a spiritually scary thing"
None of us are denying the Lord. And yes I do take Barack Obama's word over yours. I'll take my own understanding of scripture over any person's because I've shaped that view over more than twenty years of thought and reason. We also have a thing in this country called presumption of innocense so my taking him at his word is a matter of principle for me.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 9:58:19 PM
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My word? I said the word of God, and after twenty years forgive me, but if that is the best you can come up with well............... keep reasoning because the word is pretty clear, and which chp and verse are you talking about? Diid I single you out? Then if I did not, do not worry about it.
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
Where did I attack your faith? and Ken you ahve sat there tellling me, how wrong I am, what church in revelation I belong too, I never judged your faith I judged Bos by the word of God, I just ask that you show me in scripture what a Christain is. No one did, no one. I said anybody, and I ment anybody, who can take a mans word over Gods I worry about. I was told it was really just something about theology and Jesus being the only way. I was told I judged because I was republican. I am told all sort of mess, judging my walk. And Ken, do not ever on this boars talk to me that way again. You are rude, even after I have tried to make peace. No one quwstioned your faith, I questioned anyone, that maeans anyone who takes a mans word ovewr God. It si a dangerous thing, so if it doid not apply why is youtr nose out of joint. Did I single you out? Or you just wanting to fight? and Pink Panther guy, you said the thing about taking Bos word over anything. You threaten other poster on the pm. But if any of you thought I judged your salvation, you or either making it up to incite trouble, or read the post wrong.
And I quote: "What makes me furious is Christians on this board denying the Lord, it breaks my heart. They will take BOs word, over Gods word. That is a spiritually scary thing"
None of us are denying the Lord. And yes I do take Barack Obama's word over yours. I'll take my own understanding of scripture over any person's because I've shaped that view over more than twenty years of thought and reason. We also have a thing in this country called presumption of innocense so my taking him at his word is a matter of principle for me.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 10:09:36 PM
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Ken, I want you to know I was not talking about you. ok. I am not a pharisee, and yes i do pray for Bo.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 10:10:43 PM
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I did not call you out either.
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
Where did I attack your faith? and Ken you ahve sat there tellling me, how wrong I am, what church in revelation I belong too, I never judged your faith I judged Bos by the word of God, I just ask that you show me in scripture what a Christain is. No one did, no one. I said anybody, and I ment anybody, who can take a mans word over Gods I worry about. I was told it was really just something about theology and Jesus being the only way. I was told I judged because I was republican. I am told all sort of mess, judging my walk. And Ken, do not ever on this boars talk to me that way again. You are rude, even after I have tried to make peace. No one quwstioned your faith, I questioned anyone, that maeans anyone who takes a mans word ovewr God. It si a dangerous thing, so if it doid not apply why is youtr nose out of joint. Did I single you out? Or you just wanting to fight? and Pink Panther guy, you said the thing about taking Bos word over anything. You threaten other poster on the pm. But if any of you thought I judged your salvation, you or either making it up to incite trouble, or read the post wrong.
And I quote: "What makes me furious is Christians on this board denying the Lord, it breaks my heart. They will take BOs word, over Gods word. That is a spiritually scary thing"
None of us are denying the Lord. And yes I do take Barack Obama's word over yours. I'll take my own understanding of scripture over any person's because I've shaped that view over more than twenty years of thought and reason. We also have a thing in this country called presumption of innocense so my taking him at his word is a matter of principle for me.
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 10:16:07 PM
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I am so sick of this __________I want to say the "C" word, it is clear that no one wants to be fair, they twist and attack. This is not Godly, boys just think what you want, I do not care. I am done. I intend to keep my walk pure, and arguing, and defending myself against people who just want to fight is not doing my Christian walk any good. Bless you all, and I mean that. Bye. I will not post on this thread again, it is ugly the way fellow Christians have treated each other over a man that does not know or care about any of us from Adam.
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RE: Is Barack Obama a Christian? - 3/14/2008 10:23:30 PM
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Where did I attack your faith? and Ken you have sat there tellling me, how wrong I am, what church in revelation I belong too, I never judged your faith I judged Bos by the word of God, I just ask that you show me in scripture what a Christain is. No one did, no one. I said anybody, and I ment anybody, who can take a mans word over Gods I worry about. I was told it was really just something about theology and Jesus being the only way. I was told I judged because I was republican. I am told all sort of mess, judging my walk. And Ken, do not ever on this board talk to me that way again. You are rude, even after I have tried to make peace. No one questioned your faith, I questioned anyone, that means anyone who takes a mans word over God. It is a dangerous thing, so if I did not say Ken why is your nose out of joint. I never said you did not believe Christ is not the only way. I said this of Bo. Did I single you out? Or you just wanting to fight? and Pink Panther guy, you said the thing about taking Bos word over anything. But if any of you thought I judged your salvation, you or either making it up to incite trouble, or read the post wrong. I am amazed how you have twisted every word around to suit your needs while judging me and my walk on every post.
You need to fall back.
I have no doubt that you are a Christian, but we differ on a great number of things. Since that is the case so be it. I have never doubted your faith, but I do question why we on this message board attack each other and the people in these current events threads with such malice. If I offend you, I apologize, but I be darn I am going to sit here and let you question my walk. You don't have that right. I read my word and pray daily just like you. I attend a bible believing church just like you. I fellowship and dialogue with other believers with no problem, but this is the only place where I actually have arguments, even though we are suppose to be one body.
Many on here closely associate themselves with these political party's and such, but at the end of the day none of those people we hold in high regard care about us, Dem or Repub. Until we learn that, we are going continue to fall for this game of dividing the body of Christ. We are being used for their greedy purposes and many of us don't even see it. No I'm not swayed by Obama's clever words, or Hillary's so-called experience or McCain being a national hero. To me a dem is a fox and a rebub is a wolf and both are part of the K9 family and it's a Dog Eat Dog world.
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