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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 7:55:17 PM
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Lizahana
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lIZ, I am going to tell you my problem with the video, and then I am going to drop this whole thing.ok? First is brilliant, BO gets an "A" for that. My problem is words change from ONE to Hope.Things like that just plain weird.Not m hope, he can give hope to no one, it is not in his power. The other thing is they have beautiful, young people talking about with Obama they will have a world with, peace and with out fear, and Macy Gray doing seductive shoulder and mouth movements. They all talk about change. Obama can change nothing, If he does what, and will it be for our good? Then raise your hands and sing Obama was over the top . THe song could have been lets put our hands togather, and sing obama. I am not lifting my hands to a mortal.
Chanting is mind control, cult thiing firs off, studies prove it. It is a very catchy song I would rather we chanted " Jesus" and lets lift our hands and sing. Again excellent stratagey, but cultish and creepy. He blew his nose and people cheered ( nuts, fruitcakes), the are seeing him as god-like fiqure. I do not remember the Ronald Regan thing. Did they have a Ronald chant song?
That is my take, the Bible will back me up in post above, I cited instances. I tried to look at this with an open mind and prayer, I did. Thinking maybe it could be just a brilliant campaign ploy. ( I will give it that in fairness), but I will also say super creepy, and lots of people are given false hope through this man. That is all I haveto say about this. Blessing. Sorry about spelling errors keys are stuck, on this laptop.
I'm speechless - so will.i.am, a hip hop artist, decides to make a video about Obama - this isn't the doings of Obama, it's the doings of will.i.am. If you have a gripe, take it up with him, not Obama.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 9:55:05 PM
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whatever I am right? 
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Julius my eighteen was year old, and 21 year old DD's thought it was creepy. I do not have to convince myself not to vote for him, and it sounds like you are trying hard to convience yourself he is a-ok man . You know,do you think you are the only one with some great, sophisticated emlightment? Wake up, and see the truth. I am not rasing my hands to anyone but God himself, or bowing down. I have no favorite canidate, and something is wrong if you think that creepy chant is just fine and dandy. I say this in love, but get a grip here. We are like minded on one thing none gets my vote either. By the way Macy sings raise your hands and sing, then Obahma is chanted over, and over. I raise my hands in p&W, and this did not seem so far apart as worship goes. Christian and alot of secular can sound the same, but I do not raise my hands to secular music, unless a thought about the Lord. I really wish a black man would win, with all my heart, just not him.
Whatever.
-Julius
No, I'm not saying you're right, but when you're convinced not to vote for a man (in part) because of an 18 and and a 21 yo thinking he's "creepy", I feel compelled to respond to you like an 18 to 21 yo, which is.....
Whatever.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/4/2008 12:31:31 AM
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And I agree whole-heartedly with it, and would gladly have my taxes raised for it
Sorry, but I believe, that when you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to stop diggin'
Thanks, its_GO_time, for not including in your quote of me, that I would gladly have my taxes raised so that elderly people on fixed incomes below $50,000 a year or less would NOT have to pay taxes - thank you - that was so classy of you. But, it's not surprising...
Anyway, the current government would rather give tax cuts to big oil vs people that have graced us with their presence for so long, and whom can't afford to buy proper healthcare...
I respect my elders and am proud of it.
Peace and God bless,
The problem with your philosophy is that you would gladly have other people's taxes raised. Pocket picking is not a virtue, no matter what you do with what you've taken.
Your vision of the current government is myopic. GWB created the largest government program for seniors since Medicare.
ljmac,
Do not put words into my mouth - it's lame.
I would gladly sponsor to have my OWN taxes raised to help others - I don't care about raising other people's taxes.
I think it would be great if there was a way on my income tax sheet to give any tax return that I am getting back to people that need it for healthcare and/or seniors on fixed incomes. Actually, I have tried looking for a way online, but am going to ask my acocuntant if there is any way to do this. And taking this further, I wish there were a way so that I could to allocate more money to a fund for people in need - you know, where I could VOLUNTEER more of my money - not anyone else, only me (and any others that wanted to volunteer).
Peace and God bless,
There is no such thing as a tax that applies to only one person. When you ask for a tax increase for yourself you're asking for one for millions.
If you really want to send more money to the government, send it in. Don't take your deductions.
You must know about charities. Does the Salvation Army ring a bell? Does you city or community have shelters? A mission? A senior center? Crisis pregnancy centers? Your state's attorney general's office probably has a list of charities licensed in your state.
Your desire to do more financially for others it commendable.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/4/2008 7:26:16 AM
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And I agree whole-heartedly with it, and would gladly have my taxes raised for it
Sorry, but I believe, that when you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to stop diggin'
Thanks, its_GO_time, for not including in your quote of me, that I would gladly have my taxes raised so that elderly people on fixed incomes below $50,000 a year or less would NOT have to pay taxes - thank you - that was so classy of you. But, it's not surprising...
Anyway, the current government would rather give tax cuts to big oil vs people that have graced us with their presence for so long, and whom can't afford to buy proper healthcare...
I respect my elders and am proud of it.
Peace and God bless,
The problem with your philosophy is that you would gladly have other people's taxes raised. Pocket picking is not a virtue, no matter what you do with what you've taken.
Your vision of the current government is myopic. GWB created the largest government program for seniors since Medicare.
ljmac,
Do not put words into my mouth - it's lame.
I would gladly sponsor to have my OWN taxes raised to help others - I don't care about raising other people's taxes.
I think it would be great if there was a way on my income tax sheet to give any tax return that I am getting back to people that need it for healthcare and/or seniors on fixed incomes. Actually, I have tried looking for a way online, but am going to ask my acocuntant if there is any way to do this. And taking this further, I wish there were a way so that I could to allocate more money to a fund for people in need - you know, where I could VOLUNTEER more of my money - not anyone else, only me (and any others that wanted to volunteer).
Peace and God bless,
There is no such thing as a tax that applies to only one person. When you ask for a tax increase for yourself you're asking for one for millions.
If you really want to send more money to the government, send it in. Don't take your deductions.
You must know about charities. Does the Salvation Army ring a bell? Does you city or community have shelters? A mission? A senior center? Crisis pregnancy centers? Your state's attorney general's office probably has a list of charities licensed in your state.
Your desire to do more financially for others it commendable.
ljmac,
My entire point is that rather than force people to pay more taxes for things like universal healthcare, so that the elderly on fixed incomes below $50,000 / year do not have to pay taxes - why not allow people to voluntarily pay more taxes, or give their tax refund to a fund for healthcare? I know people that would do volunteer for this. Fortunately, I have great healthcare coverage, and have no need for this. But I know people that do not. I live next to a lady that ran a charity for over 40 years - she has seen people refused at health clinics because they have no insurance. She, as I do, believes that healthcare must be addressed.
I know about charities of course - my entire point was to people that freak out about any sort of universal healthcare or helping others through the government.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/4/2008 8:52:04 AM
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Liz it is endorsed by bo. julius, I spoke kindly to you, trying to make peace, and because we do not agree, as Christians, we need to be mature enough in the Lord to act in kindness toward each other.
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lIZ, I am going to tell you my problem with the video, and then I am going to drop this whole thing.ok? First is brilliant, BO gets an "A" for that. My problem is words change from ONE to Hope.Things like that just plain weird.Not m hope, he can give hope to no one, it is not in his power. The other thing is they have beautiful, young people talking about with Obama they will have a world with, peace and with out fear, and Macy Gray doing seductive shoulder and mouth movements. They all talk about change. Obama can change nothing, If he does what, and will it be for our good? Then raise your hands and sing Obama was over the top . THe song could have been lets put our hands togather, and sing obama. I am not lifting my hands to a mortal.
Chanting is mind control, cult thiing firs off, studies prove it. It is a very catchy song I would rather we chanted " Jesus" and lets lift our hands and sing. Again excellent stratagey, but cultish and creepy. He blew his nose and people cheered ( nuts, fruitcakes), the are seeing him as god-like fiqure. I do not remember the Ronald Regan thing. Did they have a Ronald chant song?
That is my take, the Bible will back me up in post above, I cited instances. I tried to look at this with an open mind and prayer, I did. Thinking maybe it could be just a brilliant campaign ploy. ( I will give it that in fairness), but I will also say super creepy, and lots of people are given false hope through this man. That is all I haveto say about this. Blessing. Sorry about spelling errors keys are stuck, on this laptop.
I'm speechless - so will.i.am, a hip hop artist, decides to make a video about Obama - this isn't the doings of Obama, it's the doings of will.i.am. If you have a gripe, take it up with him, not Obama.
Peace and God bless,
< Message edited by lightshineon -- 3/4/2008 9:08:30 AM >
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/4/2008 9:41:29 AM
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why not allow people to voluntarily pay more taxes, or give their tax refund to a fund for healthcare?
...better yet, allow them to divert their money in into private health savings accounts, instead of the 'greedy hand of government' getting to play with the money first. Give us the resopnsibility.
In the world of our current crop of candidates, B.O. included, that will never happen; Their dream is to totally federalize your health care, to keep all of us under their thumb. The same reason for refusing to simplify the tax code. It's a way to keep power over us commoners.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 7:14:05 AM
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Liz it is endorsed by bo.
Where does it say this? Not that it matters...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 7:18:03 AM
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why not allow people to voluntarily pay more taxes, or give their tax refund to a fund for healthcare?
...better yet, allow them to divert their money in into private health savings accounts, instead of the 'greedy hand of government' getting to play with the money first. Give us the resopnsibility.
In the world of our current crop of candidates, B.O. included, that will never happen; Their dream is to totally federalize your health care, to keep all of us under their thumb. The same reason for refusing to simplify the tax code. It's a way to keep power over us commoners.
its_GO_time,
Put it into a private health savings account? My work has that right now and people do not like it. Thankfully, my husband has great insurance and I don't have to choose this type of health insurance.
Um, you're wrong about Barack Obama's health insurance plan: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 11:19:05 AM
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I talked to my best friend on the phone last night. She is married to a black man, and her child 9 is my God-Child, was there when he was born. She say's she does not trust BO for some reason. Her husband is for him, and her child thinks he should win because he is black.
All of this made me think, I can understand why black people want a black president. I hope it happens. I do not think it should be the sole reason a black person votes for a black president,
I wish black people will get he oppurtunity to see a black man, or woman be president, not this one though.
The Bible tells us not to put our hope in any man, because he will let you down everytime. What happens if the BO is elected, and of course he will let you down. Do not put your hope in any man, no matter what color. He is a blank-slate anyway. When the roar of change, hope, broke down, and issues were actually raised it broke own to some extent, he can change nothing, he cannot give us hope, he will let you down ( those that have put him on a throne)
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 12:08:48 PM
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why not allow people to voluntarily pay more taxes, or give their tax refund to a fund for healthcare?
...better yet, allow them to divert their money in into private health savings accounts, instead of the 'greedy hand of government' getting to play with the money first. Give us the resopnsibility.
In the world of our current crop of candidates, B.O. included, that will never happen; Their dream is to totally federalize your health care, to keep all of us under their thumb. The same reason for refusing to simplify the tax code. It's a way to keep power over us commoners.
its_GO_time,
Put it into a private health savings account? My work has that right now and people do not like it. Thankfully, my husband has great insurance and I don't have to choose this type of health insurance.
Um, you're wrong about Barack Obama's health insurance plan: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Peace and God bless,
Ya think? Well, if we are supposed to recieve the same health care coverage as the members of Congress, like BO says in his TV ads, why is this necessary:
"Expansion Of Medicaid and SCHIP: Obama will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function."(from your link)
Why do we still need a "saftey net" when the exalted one, will insure us all? John Kerry proposed the same thing, anyway in '04.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 4:22:42 PM
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Their dream is to totally federalize your health care, to keep all of us under their thumb.
Define "totally federalize"
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 4:31:44 PM
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Their dream is to totally federalize your health care, to keep all of us under their thumb.
Define "totally federalize"
I'll let the man do it for me
Barack Obama: "The Obama plan builds on these efforts and does not replace what states are doing. States can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum standards of the national plan."
just for starters...
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 4:35:45 PM
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I didn't ask Barack...I asked you to define it :)
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 8:14:50 PM
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why not allow people to voluntarily pay more taxes, or give their tax refund to a fund for healthcare?
...better yet, allow them to divert their money in into private health savings accounts, instead of the 'greedy hand of government' getting to play with the money first. Give us the resopnsibility.
In the world of our current crop of candidates, B.O. included, that will never happen; Their dream is to totally federalize your health care, to keep all of us under their thumb. The same reason for refusing to simplify the tax code. It's a way to keep power over us commoners.
its_GO_time,
Put it into a private health savings account? My work has that right now and people do not like it. Thankfully, my husband has great insurance and I don't have to choose this type of health insurance.
Um, you're wrong about Barack Obama's health insurance plan: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Peace and God bless,
Ya think? Well, if we are supposed to recieve the same health care coverage as the members of Congress, like BO says in his TV ads, why is this necessary:
"Expansion Of Medicaid and SCHIP: Obama will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function."(from your link)
Why do we still need a "saftey net" when the exalted one, will insure us all? John Kerry proposed the same thing, anyway in '04.
its_GO_time,
You were saying that Obama wants to 'totally federalize' health care - that is not true - in the links I provided, you can see that he's saying the federal government will pick where the private insurance companies can't - ie, people that do not have jobs, are retired and living on a fixed income will get the federal health insurance. He will require employers to provide the kind of insurance the politicians receive.
In fact, really, the only person proposing a single payer (thru the fed) is Ralph Nader.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 8:55:12 PM
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You were saying that Obama wants to 'totally federalize' health care - that is not true - in the links I provided, you can see that he's saying the federal government will pick where the private insurance companies can't - ie, people that do not have jobs, are retired and living on a fixed income will get the federal health insurance. He will require employers to provide the kind of insurance the politicians receive.
So when politicians want better health benefits, they draw on tax revenues or drive our government farther in debt.
Would Obama be fine with a considerable increase in prices of consumer goods to offset Washington style health plans, or would he recocomend subsidizing corporations health plans via more taxes?
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 9:20:40 PM
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Would Obama be fine with a considerable increase in prices of consumer goods to offset Washington style health plans, or would he recocomend subsidizing corporations health plans via more taxes?
Jack -- you forgot the third option (as practiced by our current Republican Administration):
Don't raise taxes...just add the cost to the federal deficit.
In the end, the problem is the escalating cost of health care...which all of us are paying for every day (whether it be through taxes, payroll deductions and increasing copays, etc).
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/5/2008 11:02:51 PM
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Jack -- you forgot the third option (as practiced by our current Republican Administration):
Don't raise taxes...just add the cost to the federal deficit.
In the end, the problem is the escalating cost of health care...which all of us are paying for every day (whether it be through taxes, payroll deductions and increasing copays, etc).
Oh, I'm not forgetting about it; indeed, that is another argument against Obama's plan - which won't incidentally reduce the cost of health care.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/6/2008 7:07:21 AM
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I didn't ask Barack...I asked you to define it :)
Okay, it's when the states, or the individual, literally cannot do anything without checking first with Washington DC. This was never how it was intended to be, and one of the reasons for The Revolution(Jefferson said we should have a revoultion every 20 years; I think he was right). Someday you won't be able to use the bathroom without checking in with the government(wait, that's already happened; Low flow toliet laws).
Someone said on another site; "would you take your car to a mechanic who didn't know how to fix it?" But, when the govt., regulates us into another "crisis", those leaning left, always look to Washington DC, who, either Dem or Repub, is more than happy to help. I liken them to Mr. Potter, on the movie 'It's a Wonderful Life'.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/6/2008 9:30:55 AM
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Jack -- you forgot the third option (as practiced by our current Republican Administration):
Don't raise taxes...just add the cost to the federal deficit.
In the end, the problem is the escalating cost of health care...which all of us are paying for every day (whether it be through taxes, payroll deductions and increasing copays, etc).
Oh, I'm not forgetting about it; indeed, that is another argument against Obama's plan - which won't incidentally reduce the cost of health care.
Anybody that thinks that the cost of healthcare can be reduced is on whatever drugs Moses took (just kidding). Technology in healthcare will not get cheaper, nor will labor costs. It's more about slowing the rate of increase and making the delivery system more efficient. Or, the alternative of adopting a healthcare system that is cheaper, like say your typical third-world country.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/7/2008 7:10:43 AM
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Liz it is endorsed by bo.
By the way, lightshineon, where in that video does it say that Obama endorsed it?
Thank you in advance,
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/7/2008 7:28:20 AM
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You were saying that Obama wants to 'totally federalize' health care - that is not true - in the links I provided, you can see that he's saying the federal government will pick where the private insurance companies can't - ie, people that do not have jobs, are retired and living on a fixed income will get the federal health insurance. He will require employers to provide the kind of insurance the politicians receive.
So when politicians want better health benefits, they draw on tax revenues or drive our government farther in debt.
Would Obama be fine with a considerable increase in prices of consumer goods to offset Washington style health plans, or would he recocomend subsidizing corporations health plans via more taxes?
But, Jack, you're forgetting - if people don't have to take second mortgages to pay for surgeries; if they don't have to pay $5,000 - $10,000 / year or more in deductibles & premiums, they will have more money in their pockets, now won't they? And those that don't have any insurance because they have been dropped - like my very classy neighbor who devoted her entire life to the charity she started that helps others with food, rehab, clothes - they might actually be able to get the surgeries now to heal their backs; to extend their life. You do know that 46 million people do not have health insurance, I assume. He is also advocating more competition with the insurance companies and drug companies - allowing people to buy prescription drugs from other countries. Hopefully this will drive out the greedy drug companies.
And, hmmmm, even without the aforementioned considerations, Jack, ..let me see, would it be better to fund an ill-concieved war that kills soldiers, civilians or fund people so that they have affordable insurance, or have insurance at all? Well, to me, that's an easy question to answer. Obama also wants to get out of Iraq. That oughta free up billions of dollars. Think of all the money that has been spent on that war - probably in the trillions by now (but the powers that be are not very forthright with that information) - think of all the people this could have helped in our country...the 46 million people that are without health insurance...people that could have then had these surgeries to heal their backs, to extend their lives...
Maybe you're content with the way health insurance is in this country under the current administration, but I'm certainly not. I have great insurance myself, but find the stories like my neighbors story shocking.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/8/2008 10:24:09 AM
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its_GO_time
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Maybe you're content with the way health insurance is in this country under the current administration, but I'm certainly not. I have great insurance myself, but find the stories like my neighbors story shocking.
Speaking for myself, I'm NOT content with my insurance(with over $2000 a year in premiums, alone. Not including co-pays), but I don't look to Washington DC to solve problems, that they, themselves have created.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/8/2008 12:26:08 PM
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Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: its_GO_time
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Maybe you're content with the way health insurance is in this country under the current administration, but I'm certainly not. I have great insurance myself, but find the stories like my neighbors story shocking.
Speaking for myself, I'm NOT content with my insurance(with over $2000 a year in premiums, alone. Not including co-pays), but I don't look to Washington DC to solve problems, that they, themselves have created.
its_GO_time,
Again, if you took the time to actually look at what Obama is advocating, it is NOT a single payer system thru the government - Nader is the only one proposing such a system. Obama is proposing a mixture of private, and government when the private sector cannot come thru.
You have a better solution? Then put it on the table. Otherwise stop knocking ideas down when you yourself does not have one. Right now, healthcare insurance is largely privatized and that is NOT working. You don't want a single payer system thru the government like Nader is proposing; and you don't like a mixture of the two like Obama is proposing. Well, then, what is your solution? I'll go grab the popcorn, because this oughta be good...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/8/2008 3:40:16 PM
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saved9201
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Obama is proposing a mixture of private, and government when the private sector cannot come thru.
Beautiful!
Now how much is it going to cost?
AND
Can we afford it?
- Julius
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