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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/6/2008 10:08:02 PM
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In my culture, long hair is the norm for males and females. My oldest son has thick black hair down to his waist-- it always clean and is a glossy as a raven's wing. My younger son has layered hair that is maybe an inch long at the bottom and maybe 4 inches long in the top layers. I have a friend who wears his an a traditional warrior's scalplock, another who is Mohawk(or as they call themselves Haudenosaunee) who wears his in a mohawk. Others wears their in braids or ponytails. And some guys wear theirs shorter- mullets are not unknown in Indian Country either.
Hair length is subjective, and in the grand scheme of things spiritual, not all that important. You do NOT go to hell on account of your hair, and I've seen guys with long hair win folks to Christ just as well as guys with buzz cuts, and maybe better.
How about tackling something of greater importance?
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/6/2008 10:24:46 PM
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Well, then I must be ashamed then. And I will never get into heaven because my hair is short and I am a female. Never mind that my naturaly curly hair looks better short. That it is easer to take of short. When my hair was long it constantly got tangled it was frizzy. I had to spend a great deal of time in the shower and lots and lots of conditioner to get the tangles out. I might as well give-up now. Stop going to church. Stop praying. Stop reading the Bible. Because no mater where my heart is, no matter what I do I am to be ashamed.
I wonder is Jesus felt ashamed with His long hair???
Let's be civil here and jump into salvation by works. If Paul is correct and you choose not to believe him, you merely loose the blessing ofd fellowship with those who do believe him. Your salvation is based on a clear conscience before Adonai, by grace through faith, not on the length of your hair.
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I couldn't get trhe edit function to work. What I meant to say is, "Let's be civil here and not jump into salvation by works."
Bluethread and ae10u I just want to clarify. I am a woman I have short hair. Therefore should I be ashamed?
That appears to be what Paul is saying. That is subject to shame in the community, not necessarily unsaved.
If you do not believe this is what Paul is saying, then what do yyou believe he is saying?
If you agree this is what he is saying, but disagree with him, do you consider his writings to be Scripture?
Sorry, my fault. I have gotten waaaaay to involved with this thread. And I have let a complete stranger get to me. I will no be doing that any more. I bowing out of this thread.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/6/2008 10:45:57 PM
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Schala
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In my culture, long hair is the norm for males and females. My oldest son has thick black hair down to his waist-- it always clean and is a glossy as a raven's wing. My younger son has layered hair that is maybe an inch long at the bottom and maybe 4 inches long in the top layers. I have a friend who wears his an a traditional warrior's scalplock, another who is Mohawk(or as they call themselves Haudenosaunee) who wears his in a mohawk. Others wears their in braids or ponytails. And some guys wear theirs shorter- mullets are not unknown in Indian Country either.
Hair length is subjective, and in the grand scheme of things spiritual, not all that important. You do NOT go to hell on account of your hair, and I've seen guys with long hair win folks to Christ just as well as guys with buzz cuts, and maybe better.
How about tackling something of greater importance?
I totally agree there. I don't think hair length, for a man or a woman, shows anything about them. Many have short (men) or long (women) hair simply because of following to whatever norms society dictates, to them, it has nothing to do with following Paul's admonition, and everything to do with fitting in.
I personally have very long hair because I like it (not to follow a norm). I'm also blessed with a rather thick mane (I take that after my mother, who has an equally thick, wavy, light-brownish head of hair). I'm proud of it, and intend to grow it to whatever length it will grow to. I'm proud because it's rather well-cared for, though I've not been heavily invested in it as some would think. Short hair was more burdensome and needing of attention.
I was once considered/seen as male, at least some of the time. And still, I grew my hair to 36 inch length during that time. In no way do I consider it a shame. The only shame I may find is that some people would have had me cut it to fit in at the time (it's been heavily suggested, though I've also gotten a lot of compliments about it, especially from women).
I can be thankful that my workplace didn't have any dress code, as it avoided any issues about it while I was growing it.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/6/2008 10:46:40 PM
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Let me give a few examples.
Repent and be baptized. Some feel that being baptized was a cultural thing, and omit to do it. They feel it is enough to give their heart to the Lord at an altar call.
But are they missing the point, that God wants you to DO something specific and be totally immersed? Can or should we just negate this part of the process of becoming a Christian.
Or let us take the Sabbath. Remember THE Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Was the Sabbath or Saturday just a cultural thing. Is it OK to remember A day, or must we remember THE day? Or is it OK to go to church on a Sunday night and forget about a 24 hour day altogether? By first century standards, Sunday night is the second day of the week - days beginning at sunset throughout the Bible. Thus, is it OK to forget about when Biblical days begin, and to begin them at midnight if we feel like it?
Likewise with hair. Is it a shame for men to have long hair - period? Or is it just a shame for Christian men to look like women according to cultural norms?
Scripture commands us all to baptize and be baptized. It does not command all men to go out and get their hair cut.
Scripture never says that there is a time and a place to not get baptized, but it does give us examples of a time and place for men not to cut their hair (example: Samson and others who took the Nazarite vow).
And a man having long hair does not automatically make him look like a woman. I'm not sure where you are getting that idea?
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/6/2008 10:51:50 PM
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The fact is that in our culture, there are many ways a man can have long hair and still be very masculine and look very much like a man. And there are many ways that a woman can wear short hair that you would NEVER see on a man. In our culture, it's not the length that dictates male vs. female. If it did, this would be a very different conversation.
We have to remember that most of the NT is compiled as a letter to a specific church with specific concerns. The concepts and ethics are identical because we have One God, but the actual application may look a little different depending on culture. That doesn't change the Truth or the Law, but rather it applies it correctly because it looks at the heart, not the cover. Why do you think Jesus railed so against the Pharisees? They were great at following the cover of the law, but they had completely lost sight of the heart of the Law. The cover says, don't do any work on the Sabbath. The heart says, the Sabbath is a day of rest but rest is never an excuse not to love. Love is not work so when you neighbor lies bleeding on the side of the road on the Sabbath, help them out! That does not violate God's law regarding the Sabbath. It fulfills it!
I liked your post.
I would like you to consider the following.
To what extent is Christianity its own culture?
We know that wherever Christianity went, we are supposed to not lie, not steal, not covet, not kill, honor our parents etc.
My feeling is that there was a difference between Christianity as practiced by Peter and the 12 apostles in Jerusalem, and Christianity as practiced by Paul in Gentile cultures like Corinth.
But I do believe that a Christian from Jerusalem would feel fairly at home with a Christian in Corinth - in the first century.
Thus, let us ask, to what extent did God expect Christianity to be its own culture - i.e. create and maintain New Testament standards wherever it went.
Let me give a few examples.
Repent and be baptized. Some feel that being baptized was a cultural thing, and omit to do it. They feel it is enough to give their heart to the Lord at an altar call.
But are they missing the point, that God wants you to DO something specific and be totally immersed? Can or should we just negate this part of the process of becoming a Christian.
Or let us take the Sabbath. Remember THE Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Was the Sabbath or Saturday just a cultural thing. Is it OK to remember A day, or must we remember THE day? Or is it OK to go to church on a Sunday night and forget about a 24 hour day altogether? By first century standards, Sunday night is the second day of the week - days beginning at sunset throughout the Bible. Thus, is it OK to forget about when Biblical days begin, and to begin them at midnight if we feel like it?
Likewise with hair. Is it a shame for men to have long hair - period? Or is it just a shame for Christian men to look like women according to cultural norms?
I feel these are valid questions, that need considering.
My personal conclusion is that baptism is forever, the Sabbath is forever, short hair on men is forever. Wherever Christians go, this culture should follow them. You could call this a literal, legalistic interpretation of Scripture. I am very comfortable with this. For a not-too-bright person such as myself, it solves so many problems. I just read it, and do it - like a housewife following a recipe. And it works for me. I like it.
On the one hand the Christians of today are the same same as the Christians of the year 1000. We believe that Jesus is the second person the the Trinity, God in the flesh and the other important facts about the nature of God.
On the other hand, the Christian of today does not dress like the Christian of 1000 or even 1950. Styles changes and this includes hair styles. Trying to impose a 20th-21st American standard on the Christian world across the centuries is very presumptuous.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/6/2008 11:48:19 PM
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musicboss11
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Maybe if they had yellow and black mohawks? 
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 12:23:11 AM
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Would anyone have listened to Stryper if they had short hair?
Hippies in the 70's grew their hair as an act of rebellion against the establishment. Then they found that free sex, drugs, dirt and laziness were not sustainable, and joined the establishment.
Likewise many smoked as an act of rebellion.
Or had parts of their body pierced and tatooed.
Or joined the Goth crowd. 
Or did drugs.
These were always the insecure fringers.
The majority pursued their studies, played sport, had ambitions and worked hard - and got ahead in life. They did not need the crutch of some "identity" or the need to get a radical hair-style to feel "different" or "special".
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 1:08:15 AM
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 2:39:48 AM
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Ok, I'm confused. Are you saying that men with long hair are insecure, and don't work hard, are not ambitious, don't go to school etc.? I'm hoping that I've only misunderstood you. Could you please clarify? Thank you.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 4:49:57 AM
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ae10u
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Ok, I'm confused. Are you saying that men with long hair are insecure, and don't work hard, are not ambitious, don't go to school etc.? I'm hoping that I've only misunderstood you. Could you please clarify? Thank you.
I am not sure you are speaking of my post. But if you are, I was referring to the origins of the modern long-hair culture - born out of the Hippie and rebellious music culture of the 70's.
I then mentioned other ways that folks "dropped out" and "rebelled".
I did not link them all together - though the hippies had many characteristics which were anti the establishment.
My feeling is that Christianity IS a culture. It has laws, rules, suggestions which rule how we behave, which day we rest on, who our brothers are, how we dress, who we sleep with, our moral standards, our friends, what is acceptable and what not.
If one has another identity (such as skinhead) which conflicts with our Christian culture - that is a shame, is confusing, is not a witness - is not what the New Testament advocates.
You asked - "Are you saying that men with long hair are insecure, and don't work hard, are not ambitious, don't go to school etc.? I'm hoping that I've only misunderstood you." You certainly misunderstood me.
Long hair is just one issue and exists on it own. Being unambitious is another. Not getting an education is another. I never connected these together - except to mention Hippies of the 70's did all these by way of rebelling against the establishment. And the "establishment" with its "square" ideals and morals was closer to Bible ethics than the hippies.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 8:46:57 AM
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I then mentioned other ways that folks "dropped out" and "rebelled".
I did not link them all together - though the hippies had many characteristics which were anti the establishment. quote:
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Long hair is just one issue and exists on it own. Being unambitious is another. Not getting an education is another. I never connected these together - except to mention Hippies of the 70's did all these by way of rebelling against the establishment. And the "establishment" with its "square" ideals and morals was closer to Bible ethics than the hippies. The early Christians were considered anti-establishment; and most definitely so was Our Lord and Savior.
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My feeling is that Christianity IS a culture. It has laws, rules, suggestions which rule how we behave, which day we rest on, who our brothers are, how we dress, who we sleep with, our moral standards, our friends, what is acceptable and what not. Christianity is not a culture; cultures are either based in race / nationality or they are societal, based on a group of people having similar interests.
Christianity is an all-encompassing communal relationship with Our Lord, and is comprised of each Christian hopefully having personal & intimate relationships with Our Lord. Additionally, Christianity is made up of many races and also of people with vastly varying interests. As an example, of varying interests among Christians, music is a great example.
Furthermore, there are many cultures throughout the world; and within many of those cultures are also Christians. There are even many cultures throughout America; and within many of those American cultures are also various Christians.
Some of these cultures (whether worldwide or within America) have, as one of their aspects, long hair on men; as has already been described by a couple of posters in this thread.
Additionally, some people just don't follow the "norms" of a societal culture. AND some of these very people do indeed follow Jesus and claim Him as their Lord and Savior. Admittedly, the way some Christians choose to display the physical aspect of theirselves is not "of my taste" . . . but that certainly doesn't mean that they aren't Christian.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 9:29:05 AM
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Christianity is not a culture; cultures are either based in race / nationality or they are societal, based on a group of people having similar interests.
By the first few definitions of culture I found on the internet, Christianity is a culture.
5 a: the integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations b: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life} shared by people in a place or time <popular culture> <southern culture> c: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization <a corporate culture focused on the bottom line> d: the set of values, conventions, or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or societal characteristic <studying the effect of computers on print culture> <changing the culture of materialism will take time — Peggy O'Mara>
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Culture: is a shared, learned, symbolic system of values, beliefs and attitudes that shapes and influences perception and behavior -- an abstract "mental blueprint" or "mental code."
Must be studied "indirectly" by studying behavior, customs, material culture (artifacts, tools, technology), language, etc.
1) Learned. Process of learning one's culture is called enculturation.
2) Shared by the members of a society. No "culture of one."
3) Patterned. People in a society live and think in ways that form definite patterns.
4) Mutually constructed through a constant process of social interaction.
5) Symbolic. Culture, language and thought are based on symbols and symbolic meanings.
6) Arbitrary. Not based on "natural laws" external to humans, but created by humans according to the "whims" of the society. Example: standards of beauty.
7) Internalized. Habitual. Taken-for-granted. Perceived as "natural."
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cul·ture (klchr)
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a. The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.
b. These patterns, traits, and products considered as the expression of a particular period, class, community, or population: Edwardian culture; Japanese culture; the culture of poverty.
c. These patterns, traits, and products considered with respect to a particular category, such as a field, subject, or mode of expression: religious culture in the Middle Ages; musical culture; oral culture.
d. The predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize the functioning of a group or organization.
2. Intellectual and artistic activity and the works produced by it.
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a. Development of the intellect through training or education.
b. Enlightenment resulting from such training or education.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 9:30:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: ae10uMy personal conclusion is that baptism is forever, the Sabbath is forever, short hair on men is forever. Wherever Christians go, this culture should follow them. You could call this a literal, legalistic interpretation of Scripture. I am very comfortable with this. For a not-too-bright person such as myself, it solves so many problems. I just read it, and do it - like a housewife following a recipe. And it works for me. I like it.
I can respect this position, as long as you maintain it as yours only and allow freedom to those to choose a more complex, studied response to the same text. After all, none of us has unlimited energy and we each allocate our efforts in those directions in which we are called.
I would point out however that there is a false sense of security in an excessively literal approach. While it may feel accurate and less at risk of sinning, it is in fact subject to the same level of error as any other human approach to scripture.
In other words, you can aim too high or you can aim too low, to the left or to the right. Either way, you've missed the target, and neither method performed any better or worse than the other.
It's Friday! Enjoy the day.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 10:33:49 AM
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I personally prefer men with long hair.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 10:49:48 AM
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You're new. We'll forgive the apostasy ;)
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 11:14:58 AM
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Christian culture today is not quite the same as 1st century Christian culture. Anyone reading Acts can tell the difference.
Part of the reason is "enculturation" or absorbing the surrounding, worldly culture.
Revelation 2:14-16 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Balaam knew that he could get God to curse a people simply by letting them mingle with and absorb the surrounding pagan culture - and thus lose their holiness. That is what Christians are being warned against here.
Ancient Israel integrated with the surrounding Moabites and Midianites (on Balaam's advice to Balaak). They absorbed their customs, began to worship their gods, and angered God to the point he drove them out of His sight and out of His land - till they repented.
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
Taking the Lord's (Christ's) name in vain means calling ourselves Christians, but our lifestyle and culture denies it.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 11:41:13 AM
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All this talk about long hair on men reminds me of Guy Penrod. FOr those of you not familiar with Southern Gospel Guy is the lead vocalist of the Gaither Vocal Band. Never in my life have I met a man more full of the spirit than Guy Penrod. To borrow a quote from Terry Bradshaw, famed NFL quarterback when Guy put his hand on Bradshaw's shoulder and prayed for him. When Guy had left Bradshaw looked at Jake Hess and said who was that. Man I felt something when he prayed.
I don't think Guy's hair got in the way. Personally I don't care for Guy Penrods hair but you can't argue with what happens when the man prays.
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