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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 11:47:11 AM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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Sam, I too have been thinking of Guy throughout this thread.
I've never heard him pray, but I have had the immense pleasure of watching him during some videos. When he sings, He is singing to Our Lord; and it shows all over his face. There is an anointing on him that is such a tremendous blessing. Annointings like that do not cover people who do not have REAL personal relationships with Our Lord.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 1:48:12 PM
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Are you saying we should live like the Amish in order to be Christ-like or should we live & dress like 1st century Christians?
Christian culture is about righteousness - which is timeless.
Enculturation which blends an unrighteous culture with our righteous Christian culture, is the problem.
Let me illustrate why Christianity is a culture, and why it should reject aspects of the culture around us.
Let us suppose you are a contractor doing a renovation on somebody's home.
And you tell them you are a Christian.
There are many things you could do which could repulse them and spoil your witness.
You could fail to turn up as promised - or arrive late without a phone call.
You could rip them off and be dishonest.
You could do slovenly work and show them that you care nothing for them.
You could dress so your backside hangs out.
You could swear when you drop something, or be impatient and short with your crew.
You could have poor hygiene.
You could discuss inappropriate subjects, and whistle at every girl that goes bye.
You could brag about how you cheat on your taxes and want to be paid in cash.
You could use God's name as an expletive.
You could have a violent streak.
You could have bad manners and be rude.
You could turn up drunk or disorderly.
You could be lawless and unruly and break all the building codes.
You could be surly and uncooperative and unloving, and not go the extra mile.
Most of the above are condemned somewhere in the New Testament. Even where not - all of them would be a bad witness, and countless more. To do any of these things would be contrary to the Christian culture, and thus the Christian witness. Everything we as Christians do is watched - down to how we drive with our Christian bumper stickers.
Even our appearance. We should not look freaky - so that outsiders have to look beyond our "issues" to see that we are actually quite nice inside. They might mistake the "freakiness" for part of our Christian culture
Christianity IS a culture - and a narrow (strait) way at that.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 2:06:26 PM
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JimboFletch
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Christianity IS a culture - and a narrow (strait) way at that.
Is CHRISTIANITY the strait way or is it that strait is the GATE, and narrow is the WAY, which leadeth unto life eternal? (Jesus Christ and Him alone.)
I often find myself in crowds. But for the life of me, I cannot spot a Christian by his hair. Jesus made reference to people who placed great importance on the outside as Whited Sepulchres, cleaned up on the exterior but full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 2:29:25 PM
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ae10u
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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
Jesus made reference to people who placed great importance on the outside as Whited Sepulchres, cleaned up on the exterior but full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Do you think the problem was with the cleaned up exterior, or the unclean interior?
The lesson of this parable was hypocricy.
I am speaking of a culture - where your primary witness is to God. Even when you are alone, you maintain your Christian culture - because you love and respect God. Even if nobody sees you - you keep yourself unspotted from the world (James 1:27)
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 2:35:24 PM
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Jimbo I am beginning to wonder about medication too. At one point he suggest we look at TV to see what culture tells us about long hair and NOW he appears to be saying we should ignore culture. I'm so confused.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 2:36:39 PM
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JimboFletch
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The lesson of this parable was hypocricy.
Yes, it was.
But your point that Christianity is the strait way is incorrect. Strait is the GATE, and narrow is the WAY, which leadeth unto life eternal.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 6:18:59 PM
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Additionally, some people just don't follow the "norms" of a societal culture. AND some of these very people do indeed follow Jesus and claim Him as their Lord and Savior. Admittedly, the way some Christians choose to display the physical aspect of theirselves is not "of my taste" . . . but that certainly doesn't mean that they aren't Christian.
How do they follow Jesus? How do they know what is required of them?
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 6:32:53 PM
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Qtman
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WhiteRoseBlessing:
Additionally, some people just don't follow the "norms" of a societal culture. AND some of these very people do indeed follow Jesus and claim Him as their Lord and Savior. Admittedly, the way some Christians choose to display the physical aspect of theirselves is not "of my taste" . . . but that certainly doesn't mean that they aren't Christian.
How do they follow Jesus? How do they know what is required of them?
The same way a few people who post here seem to know.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 6:33:26 PM
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Additionally, some people just don't follow the "norms" of a societal culture. AND some of these very people do indeed follow Jesus and claim Him as their Lord and Savior. Admittedly, the way some Christians choose to display the physical aspect of theirselves is not "of my taste" . . . but that certainly doesn't mean that they aren't Christian.
How do they follow Jesus? How do they know what is required of them?
They follow Jesus just like every other believer does.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 6:43:58 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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The implication that a person who dances to his / her own tune cannot know how to follow Jesus is actually arrogant and insulting, to say the least.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 7:05:45 PM
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Bluethread
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The implication that a person who dances to his / her own tune cannot know how to follow Jesus is actually arrogant and insulting, to say the least.
You're dodging the question. How do they know whether dancing is acceptable and which tunes they should or should not be dancing to?
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 7:09:08 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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I'm not dodging the question; I'm refusing to dignify it with an answer.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 7:18:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings
The implication that a person who dances to his / her own tune cannot know how to follow Jesus is actually arrogant and insulting, to say the least.
You're dodging the question. How do they know whether dancing is acceptable and which tunes they should or should not be dancing to?
They know because I tell them. (Along with WhiteRose - she's just being modest.)
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 7:36:22 PM
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Then let me help you. I determine what I should or should not do by studying the scriptures and discussing it with others, as we are doing here. So, when I read the following, I conclude that women should pray with their heads covered and their hair is given to them as a covering.
1Co 11:13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice--nor do the churches of God.
It also appears that Paul is quite emphatic about this. Now, if we wish to ignore this and do as we please, either I have somehow misunderstood what Paul is saying, or the is not Scripture
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 8:43:28 PM
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 10:12:39 PM
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ae10u
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ae10u,
You say Christianity is a culture. There are Christians in every part of the world. They all do not sport the 50s short hair look, the Greecian/Roman/so called Biblical hair style. It would not be in their culture to do so. Would you think they are sinning?
There are many definitions of sin in the Bible, for instance transgression of the law. But the basic definition of sin is to go against the will of God. And I believe the will of God for hair length is clearly expressed by Paul as ...
1 Corinthians 11:14 4 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Thus I look at it as if God were asking that question.
I look at it as if God is saying it is a shame.
That tells me it opposes the will of God.
We can oppose the will of God knowingly and willfully.
Or we can oppose the will of God through ignorance.
The latter is the lesser sin.
I believe God gave us a culture - together with hair length, dress codes (modest), how soon we should release anger (sunset), how we should treat our neighbor, or our enemies ass when it falls down under its load - and there is no aspect of our lives which are not regulated.
We can deny our Christian culture.
Matthew 10:33-34 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
I have been in Genoa when they had a religious festival of sorts, during which they dragged their icons around the streets and back to their church, finishing with the biggest fireworks display I have ever seen.
Just because folks call something a Christian culture - does not make it a Biblical culture.
I say that wherever Christian men are not wearing short hair, they are at variance with Paul, and with God, and their Christian culture. In the Dark Ages they did not have Bibles - and had to rely on the priest. Today we read Paul, and have no excuse.
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 10:30:50 PM
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Schala
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I say that wherever Christian men are not wearing short hair, they are at variance with Paul, and with God, and their Christian culture. In the Dark Ages they did not have Bibles - and had to rely on the priest. Today we read Paul, and have no excuse.
As long as this is not enforced on others, I don't mind this interpretation. If laws or coercive mandates (system of rewards and punishments) towards uniformity of men's hair are instituted, within or without Christians, I will oppose it.
I personally favor long hair on men, and sometimes voice that opinion, especially when a controversial topic (such as this one) happens on the subject.
For example, I'm against mandatory haircuts for men joining the army (any army, not only US), or being in prison, because the standard have no basis besides being a double-standard (as such, there is no hygienity, or conformity motive that could not also be applied to female prisoners or soldiers).
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RE: Should Men Have Long Hair? - 3/7/2008 11:00:51 PM
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ae10u,
You say Christianity is a culture. There are Christians in every part of the world. They all do not sport the 50s short hair look, the Greecian/Roman/so called Biblical hair style. It would not be in their culture to do so. Would you think they are sinning?
There are many definitions of sin in the Bible, for instance transgression of the law. But the basic definition of sin is to go against the will of God. And I believe the will of God for hair length is clearly expressed by Paul as ...
1 Corinthians 11:14 4 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Thus I look at it as if God were asking that question.
I look at it as if God is saying it is a shame.
That tells me it opposes the will of God.
We can oppose the will of God knowingly and willfully.
Or we can oppose the will of God through ignorance.
The latter is the lesser sin.
I believe God gave us a culture - together with hair length, dress codes (modest), how soon we should release anger (sunset), how we should treat our neighbor, or our enemies ass when it falls down under its load - and there is no aspect of our lives which are not regulated.
First, you really didn't answer Kath's question.
Second, you are stuck on one verse, keep on quoting it without the context of the rest of the chapter. This is called "proof texting" that is taking verses and snippets of the Bible out of their context. Here's the problem with proof texting: The Bible as written in the original languages did not have chapter and verse. Therefore, when read by those that were receiving those letters from Paul, it would have been read as a solid paragraph.
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and there is no aspect of our lives which are not regulated.
is somewhat disturbing. God did not create robots. He created humans with a mind and an intellect. When God says that He created man "in His image", it wasn't a physical image. God doesn't have to regulate every aspect of my life. He has given me freedom to live without His determining every last motion that I make.
If you believe that God is concerned with a man's hair length that's fine. However, if you are trying to convince the rest of us of this concern, please try to use more than one verse. Proof texting is a very poor way to study the Bible.
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