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Baby Chat....take 2

16lb (7.25 kg) at 1mo

0% (0)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 2mo

17% (3)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 3mo

11% (2)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 4mo

11% (2)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 5mo

11% (2)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 6mo

11% (2)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 7mo

5% (1)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 8mo

0% (0)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 9mo

0% (0)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 10mo

0% (0)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 11mo

5% (1)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 12mo

0% (0)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 15mo

0% (0)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 18mo

0% (0)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 21mo

0% (0)

16lb (7.25 kg) at 24mo

0% (0)

My baby hasn't hit that weight yet.

23% (4)

Total Votes : 17

(last vote on : 4/28/2008 4:19:51 AM)
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Georgia-Peach -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 10:25:49 AM)
Oh I wish I had advice on sleep, but Hunter was his own unique self when it came to sleeping. No matter what I did sometimes he still wouldn't sleep. Now that he turned a year old he sleeps great and I haven't changed a thing. Its like it had to be on his timing...stinker! I really hope the next one is a great sleeper from the get go, but if not I will be somewhat prepared I guess. My sister gave me the Ezzo book and though I read it, I laid it on a self never to read it again. Not saying everything in the book I disagreed with, but majority of it I let go in one ear and out the other. My sister swears by it, but I do not. She even had her lactation consultant tell her to burn the book.

peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 10:35:30 AM)
POLL RESULTS..... Yes, I felt prepared 41% (10) No, I did not feel prepared 12% (3) Yes, my experience lined up with that expectation 20% (5) No, my experience did not line up with that expectation 25% (6) Total Votes : 24 new poll...... What do you feel about the Ezzo's books or class ("Growing Kids God's Way")... I don't know who the Ezzo's are I have heard of the Ezzo's, but only in passing (or on here) I have taken the class "Growing Kids God's Way" I have not taken the class "Growing Kids God's Way" I agree with ALL of what was said in their books/class I agree with MOST of what was said in their books/class I agree with SOME of what was said in their books/class I agree with NONE of what was said in their books/class Some of the things I agree with are...._______ Some of the things I disagree with are...______

manda59 -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 10:44:36 AM)
I'd never heard of Ezzo till I came on here.

PrincessDonna -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 11:15:26 AM)
Like I said, we took the GKGW class at our church. Things we gained from it...knowing that it's okay to expect our kids to respect us and teaching us practical ways to do that. The only thing I didn't like was their focus on spanking, often as if it was the only discipline available (not to start a debate about spanking...that would belong in the one-stop thread). I have never read Babywise, so only know what I have heard here is in it. What I have heard about scheduling babies, I do not agree with at all.

peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 11:28:49 AM)
quote: The only thing I didn't like was their focus on spanking, often as if it was the only discipline available (not to start a debate about spanking...that would belong in the one-stop thread). that's one thing I hated about it too. also that it made it sound like if you didn't do things their way then it wasn't "God's way" or the way that God totally intended everything to be. Obviously we have found a balance that works for each of our kids, but "their way" would never have worked on our oldest two...and we are finding it would never work on our 3yo either. We prefer to teach our kids with more positive and encouraging ways then their book says...they are very "black and white" on most issues and I don't see things that way in ALL situations. I think there are some things that are very black and white (such as the ten commandments)...but I also don't feel it is "disrespectful" for a child to have their own minds and hearts and opinions. As long as how they express their own ways is not meant to be mean or derogatory to you and your ways then I think that is all good. Their books seem to be more like raising robots....and I don't want robots, I want Godly kids that will grow up to be Godly adults. I do not agree with ANY of their methods for babies...at all. I don't agree with the motivation behind their ways either (like Maggie said above very well). What they quote as fact might be for some babies, but not for all...and their feeding methods are just plain wrong....I know numerous dr's and LC's who have hated their books because of the inappropriate manner in which they talk of food and bottles and bfing..

myka -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 11:37:39 AM)
I had a friend who was/had taken the GKGW parenting class taught by our ss teachers. Anyway, I was very, very uncomfortable with some of the things that she started doing -- like how she would spank her child while screaming at her. The other problem I had was that she started implying that I should be spanking my child like she did. She started having the attitude that her way was the right way after all, it is God's way... I'd already had parenting training, and I had worked with parents. IMHO, what she was doing was bordering on abuse. So, while I haven't read/attended any of the Ezzo training, I have seen it in others and don't like what I have seen.

Mrs.X -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 1:18:40 PM)
I have never read the book, but I've heard bits and pieces about it on here. So, far the only good thing I heard was the book had helpful advice about how to teach your baby the difference between night and day. I'm guessing it said to try to keep the lights off and not make a lot of noise and make it borning for feeds and diapers. But, every baby book says that. I especially don't agree with the scheduling part of it. I like routine and all but I have totally different way of helping my babies find a routine.

Mrs.X -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 1:47:10 PM)
I was just reading some pro-Ezzo stuff on the internet. And, it seems like the motivation behind it to make babies convenient for the parents. While I do some things for my babies to make it convenient for me, that's not my whole motivation. Like co-sleeping. I believe it makes Jimmy feel secure and creates a special bond, but also I like to get good sleep, so co-sleeping is convenient for me too. I nurse Jimmy often, not just because it makes him healthy and grow to his full potential, but also because he's happier for longer periods of time, so that makes it nice for me. I think it's important to find a good balance of making our babies feel happy and healthy, but also to help the parents feel happy and mentally healthy. It is important to have a little bit of convenience as parents, but not at the expense of our babies' health and happiness. quote: From Dr. Heldzinger: We started implementing the principles in Baby Wise with our 4th baby (unfortunately we did not learn them before.) What a difference it made to our family. Our first child was a demand fed baby and it was a nightmare. He was more demanding for a long time as a child. With the third we implemented parent-controlled feeding out of our own and with the 4th we used the Ezzo method. It was not like having a baby in the family at all, but rather just like having another child in the family. What a blessing. HERE (emphasis mine)

ChelseaRae -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 1:47:16 PM)
I hadn't heard of Ezzo until I came on here but after hearing what you ladies have said about it I would never read it. It would so not work for Mary, she is not a schedule baby... at all! Donna, that story about Levi made me giggle, he sounds like such a cutie!!!!!!!

Jenny-Fair -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 1:54:14 PM)
Christina, I just wanted to comment that I love seeing how far you've come since having your first newborn. It's great to see new moms turning into great moms!

3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:24:51 PM)
I voted I agree with some of what the book I have read said. Concept only, not methodology or motivation. For instance, I have no problem with the idea of training a child not to throw food on the floor. However, my motivation is not less mess for me to clean up, nor a perfectly tidy child. Kids are messy. The reason I would want to begin training for a general sense of tidyness and restraint is that it is an important social skill for successful life. I don't see anything wrong with starting early, but it would certainly not be a matter of punishment or shame for the baby. I have no problem with swatting or spanking for certain things, but I am learning more and more that a No accompanied with a smile and some physical direction makes a spank unnecessary most of the time. [:)] For instance, Biruk has lately started to resist diaper and clothing changes. I could swat, but so far a very authoritative NO usually stops it immediately. If not, I just lean over and hug him until he stops trying to jump off the table. [:D] Likewise, I don't think there's anything wrong with a baby sleeping through the night (IMO, it's wonderful), however it's not "God's way", and night-waking at 9 months isn't going to permanently damage the child's character. Babies are so different I don't see how they can make blanket statements like all children are able to sleep through the night at such and such an age, or all children should be down to three nursings a day at 6 months (and how on earth could a mom keep up a reasonable supply with only 3 nursing sessions in 24 hours?). I personally feel that the mess, the noise, and the inconvenience that comes along with having children has been good for me and the development of my character. Sure, I could smack my 3 yo when he eats spaghetti with his hands and I have to dig sauce out of his ears, but I would have missed a great picture and deprived my husband of some serious enjoyment in his kids. For some reason, Spaghetti-Face struck Josiah as really funny, and that doesn't happen often. [8D]

3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:27:58 PM)
quote: Our first child was a demand fed baby and it was a nightmare. He was more demanding for a long time as a child. I thought this was interesting, from the testimonial. My first child was demand fed and it was a nightmare. However, my third child was also demand fed and his infancy has been heavenly. Heaven/hell has nothing to do with how often they're hungry. [8\|]

Jenny-Fair -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:33:59 PM)
Kids are supposed to be demanding. It's their jobs[:D] Eventually, with proper parenting, they grow out of it. I think a large part of the reason God did procreation the way he did with humans was to teach the parents to be more giving. Having kids who need stuff and want things from me is good for me! I'm a better person for having parented for 15 years. And, should I not be blessed with another helpless and demanding creature, I'll be an even better person in another six years when I'm done (I hope!)[:)]

Sideways -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:40:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom Biruk has lately started to resist diaper and clothing changes. I could swat, but so far a very authoritative NO usually stops it immediately. If not, I just lean over and hug him until he stops trying to jump off the table. [:D] Oooo, that's been a real problem with me lately. I try singing to him, or giving him a toy to play with, but I've had limited success. Sometimes it gets so bad, I have to lean over to restrain his torso with my body and try to change the diaper from an angle. He's getting strong, and it gets really frustrating when changes take 5 times longer then needed.

Mrs.X -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:53:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jenny-Fair Christina, I just wanted to comment that I love seeing how far you've come since having your first newborn. It's great to see new moms turning into great moms! Thank you so much. That really means a lot to me. When you said that, I was thinking, how would she know, she hasn't known me that long. But, I looked over at the date you joined and where you're from and realized you're 2jsmom from Spokane!!! How did I miss the name change?!?!

nicole6598 -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:53:30 PM)
well you all know what i think about Ezzo and its followers, poo poo to them[&:] I AM raising my kid's God's way. With love, grace and respect, something Ezzo's way leaves out most of the time[:@]

3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:54:11 PM)
Yeah. He's a pretty laid back baby so a resounding No kinda puts him into shock and he stops. [8D] But he has still almost hurled himself over the cliff a few times. [8\|]

paulsbride -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:55:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sideways quote: ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom Biruk has lately started to resist diaper and clothing changes. I could swat, but so far a very authoritative NO usually stops it immediately. If not, I just lean over and hug him until he stops trying to jump off the table. [:D] Oooo, that's been a real problem with me lately. I try singing to him, or giving him a toy to play with, but I've had limited success. Sometimes it gets so bad, I have to lean over to restrain his torso with my body and try to change the diaper from an angle. He's getting strong, and it gets really frustrating when changes take 5 times longer then needed. I know!!! Judah usually stops with a firm "NO" or a toy. I always change him on the floor and sometimes I end up putting my legs over him to keep on the ground. He is getting so strong!! I think changing a newborns poop is going to be a pleasure after battling it out with Judah [8D]

3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:56:36 PM)
Hey you two, I was too lazy to quote sideways and you had to go and post in between hers and mine. No fair! [8D]

Jenny-Fair -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 2:58:47 PM)
quote: Thank you so much. That really means a lot to me. When you said that, I was thinking, how would she know, she hasn't known me that long. But, I looked over at the date you joined and where you're from and realized you're 2jsmom from Spokane!!! How did I miss the name change?!?! Alllllmost[;)] Jln2boys, and I am from WA but not Spokane.[:D] (Tri-Cities at the moment, Yakima previously)

Sideways -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 3:01:36 PM)
Yeah, we're also working on sitting properly in the high chair. Of course the chair has straps, but I want him to sit down properly if he's still eating. At his age we would let him down to play if he's really bored. But when he tries to stand up in his chair he gets a loud "SIT DOWN", and he does sit... for about 2 seconds. [&:] But it's a work in progress. Nathan's dad is amazing, but he spoils the child. When we let Nathan down, he wants daddy to hold him in his lap, and I want Nathan to learn to either sit in his own chair or be let down to play. The adults have a right to eat a 10 minute meal in peace.

ChelseaRae -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 3:02:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paulsbride quote: ORIGINAL: Sideways quote: ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom Biruk has lately started to resist diaper and clothing changes. I could swat, but so far a very authoritative NO usually stops it immediately. If not, I just lean over and hug him until he stops trying to jump off the table. [:D] Oooo, that's been a real problem with me lately. I try singing to him, or giving him a toy to play with, but I've had limited success. Sometimes it gets so bad, I have to lean over to restrain his torso with my body and try to change the diaper from an angle. He's getting strong, and it gets really frustrating when changes take 5 times longer then needed. I know!!! Judah usually stops with a firm "NO" or a toy. I always change him on the floor and sometimes I end up putting my legs over him to keep on the ground. He is getting so strong!! I think changing a newborns poop is going to be a pleasure after battling it out with Judah [8D] I have given up using the change table too. It amazes me how fast Mary can go from laying down getting changed to sitting up several feet away. I always change her on a blanket on the floor too... I was sure glad there was one there when she decided she didn't want me to clean her bum after she pooped, she waited until I had her diaper undone and was reaching for wipes and took off.[:'(]

Sideways -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 3:03:38 PM)
Okay, how is the floor easier then the changing table? Seems it would more difficult, no?

Mrs.X -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 3:04:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom Likewise, I don't think there's anything wrong with a baby sleeping through the night (IMO, it's wonderful), however it's not "God's way", and night-waking at 9 months isn't going to permanently damage the child's character. Babies are so different I don't see how they can make blanket statements like all children are able to sleep through the night at such and such an age, or all children should be down to three nursings a day at 6 months (and how on earth could a mom keep up a reasonable supply with only 3 nursing sessions in 24 hours?). I completely agree. Timmy is the world's best sleeper. He faithfully goes to bed at 8, faithfully wakes up at 7, and faithfully takes a 2.5 hour nap at 1:30 everyday. He never wakes in the night unless he's sick. And he was getting one or two bottles in the middle of the night at 11 months old. If Jimmy only nursed three times a day, he would literally starve to death. There's no way my breasts could produce enough in those three times to sustain him the whole day.

Mrs.X -> RE: Baby Chat....take 2 (3/3/2008 3:06:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jenny-Fair quote: Thank you so much. That really means a lot to me. When you said that, I was thinking, how would she know, she hasn't known me that long. But, I looked over at the date you joined and where you're from and realized you're 2jsmom from Spokane!!! How did I miss the name change?!?! Alllllmost[;)] Jln2boys, and I am from WA but not Spokane.[:D] (Tri-Cities at the moment, Yakima previously) LOL, sorry! You used to have a picture of yourself at the Columbia river for your avatar right?

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