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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 12:22:18 PM
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As Figment Pez stated earlier, she was not told to go and sin no more. Why hasn't this been addressed yet? This example is used so much to support arguments and it doesn't even say that. is there another parable where this line is used, that could actually support this argument, without it being taken out of context and completely added to?
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 1:49:17 PM
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As Figment Pez stated earlier, she was not told to go and sin no more. Why hasn't this been addressed yet? This example is used so much to support arguments and it doesn't even say that. is there another parable where this line is used, that could actually support this argument, without it being taken out of context and completely added to?
Greetings,
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Why hasn't this been addressed yet?
Without it being taken out of context and completely added to?
Because it’s prophetic, to John 4:4-26 and Jude 1:24.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 2:14:56 PM
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I don't get that, can you explain what you mean, please?
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 4:24:44 PM
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I don't get that, can you explain what you mean, please?
Greetings,
You asked is there another parable where this line is used, that could actually support this argument, without it being taken out of context and completely added to?
This is [Theology] >> The Bible >> so to explain it here it would be out of context.
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don't get that, can you explain what you mean, please?
Certainly
Get out the Bible and read John 4:4-26 and Jude 1:24.
The go back and read
Joh 4:14 - Show Context
but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life."
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 4:36:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
As Figment Pez stated earlier, she was not told to go and sin no more. Why hasn't this been addressed yet? This example is used so much to support arguments and it doesn't even say that. is there another parable where this line is used, that could actually support this argument, without it being taken out of context and completely added to?
The line "Go, and sin no more," is found in the pharisees dragging a woman before Yeshua
trying to tempt Him, or, catch Him violating Torah, saying, "She was caught in the act of
adultery, Torah says we stone her, What do You say?"
Yeshua knelt down writing their names in the dirt and they left one by one starting with
the eldest. Once they were all gone, Yeshua asked the woman, "Woman, where are your
accusers." Since they had left, there were no accusers.
Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you, Go, and sin no more."
There was a country gospel song from this story.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 4:41:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
As Figment Pez stated earlier, she was not told to go and sin no more. Why hasn't this been addressed yet? This example is used so much to support arguments and it doesn't even say that. is there another parable where this line is used, that could actually support this argument, without it being taken out of context and completely added to?
The line "Go, and sin no more," is found in the pharisees dragging a woman before Yeshua
trying to tempt Him, or, catch Him violating Torah, saying, "She was caught in the act of
adultery, Torah says we stone her, What do You say?"
Yeshua knelt down writing their names in the dirt and they left one by one starting with
the eldest. Once they were all gone, Yeshua asked the woman, "Woman, where are your
accusers." Since they had left, there were no accusers.
Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you, Go, and sin no more."
There was a country gospel song from this story.
Just a note, the Scriptures do not tell us what He wrote, just that He wrote.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 7:36:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
As Figment Pez stated earlier, she was not told to go and sin no more. Why hasn't this been addressed yet? This example is used so much to support arguments and it doesn't even say that. is there another parable where this line is used, that could actually support this argument, without it being taken out of context and completely added to?
The line "Go, and sin no more," is found in the pharisees dragging a woman before Yeshua
trying to tempt Him, or, catch Him violating Torah, saying, "She was caught in the act of
adultery, Torah says we stone her, What do You say?"
Yeshua knelt down writing their names in the dirt and they left one by one starting with
the eldest. Once they were all gone, Yeshua asked the woman, "Woman, where are your
accusers." Since they had left, there were no accusers.
Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you, Go, and sin no more."
There was a country gospel song from this story.
Greetings,
Hello L
Can you help me out with something...You'll like this one, its was just given.... 
But first, I need the 10 commandments divided, as they appear "in order" as written from 1 to 5 on tablet 1
and from 6 to 10 on tablet 2
Can you gather that for me??
I just want it to be correct...so I can rebuke this here..........."The Scriptures “do not tell us” what He wrote,
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 9:16:24 PM
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mark 12:18-32 the entire sequence has to be read to understand these verses. they are trying to trap JESUS with a illogical question. 7 brothers who each married a widow as the other brother died who was married to her. i would not apply this stupid question of the pharisees to my understanding of a beloved marriage. another observation. when people asked JESUS questions, HE didn't always answer their particular question. that is why in john 18 peter asked the beloved disciple the question even though JESUS and the beloved disciple were very close to each other. JESUS stated that HE would always answer the bel. disc.'s questions. this info is only in the bel. disc. book in the apochyra.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 9:24:31 PM
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mark 12:18-32 the entire sequence has to be read to understand these verses. they are trying to trap JESUS with a illogical question. 7 brothers who each married a widow as the other brother died who was married to her. i would not apply this stupid question of the pharisees to my understanding of a beloved marriage. another observation. when people asked JESUS questions, HE didn't always answer their particular question. that is why in john 18 peter asked the beloved disciple the question even though JESUS and the beloved disciple were very close to each other. JESUS stated that HE would always answer the bel. disc.'s questions. this info is only in the bel. disc. book in the apochyra.
Greetings
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when people asked JESUS questions, HE didn't always answer their particular question.
Do you have an example??
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Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/22/2008 9:31:12 PM
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john 8 we have a different situation with another lady. verse 1-11. note that JESUS DID NOT condemn her. my conclusion in this instance is that JESUS was writing each person's sins on the ground. one by one. i get angry when somebody try's to apply these verses to the precious suffering lady at the well in john 4. let us emulate JESUS'S kindness and compassion.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/23/2008 8:38:10 AM
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john 8 we have a different situation with another lady. verse 1-11. note that JESUS DID NOT condemn her. my conclusion in this instance is that JESUS was writing each person's sins on the ground. one by one.
i get angry when somebody tries to apply these verses to the precious suffering lady at the well in john 4. let us emulate JESUS kindness and compassion.
Greetings
The Lord answers eveything we ask,
john 8 we have a different situation with another lady. verse 1-11. note that JESUS DID NOT condemn her
The point in John 8 is we do very well at condemning ourselves, which the womem did not, therefore in like manner Jesus "does not,"
In John 4 the women beleived that the Messiah would come, so in like manner, Jesus "revealed" Himself because she believed.
Mt 12:36
""But""......... I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken
Mt 12:36 For example;
If the women in John 8 condemned herself when Jesus asked, then she is condemned, and will have to give an account on the Day of Judgment
In John 4 ...if the women did not believe that the Messiah would come, Jesus would not have "revealed" Himself to her because of her unbelief,
And in like manner she also will have to give an account on the Day of Judgment for not wanting to know Him on her day of visitation.
He always responds, in accordance to our knowledge of the word.
But the point in those 2 instances above, In John 4 and John 8.....is that the reflection is not of carless words, but is according to the Word of God,
And as a servant of God, we do not condemn ourselves by our own words ....and we believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
That’s why Mary said the right thing...38 Then Mary said, "Behold the maidservant of the Lord! "Let it be to me"... according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
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i get angry when somebody tries to apply these verses to the precious suffering lady at the well in john 4. let us emulate JESUS kindness and compassion.
The 2 writings Jesus wrote in the dust in John 8 were the 2 greatest commandments ....if it were not, ....then they would have trapped him with the Law of Moses, as the scripture said.
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Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice
...So the Persians ask that the 300 drop their arms. Leonidas responds; "Persians! Come and get them!"
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/23/2008 9:39:02 AM
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Say I don't see that this last post is on the subject of the woman at the well.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/23/2008 4:21:33 PM
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Interesting as this thread has been, apparently it was never about the woman at the well, seeing as how thr reference used was "the adulterous woman" John 8.
It is interesting to note how so many people hear a good line and continue to repeat it, without ever verifying it's actuality.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/26/2008 6:12:14 PM
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The 2 writings Jesus wrote in the dust in John 8 were the 2 greatest commandments ....if it were not, ....then they would have trapped him with the Law of Moses, as the scripture said
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I just want it to be correct...so I can rebuke this here..........."The Scriptures “do not tell us” what He wrote,
Gypsy, where do you find in Scripture what he wrote? As Lapidoth pointed out,
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Just a note, the Scriptures do not tell us what He wrote, just that He wrote.
I have yet to see anywhere, in any text, what He wrote...to presume that He wrote this or that is to read into the text and to presume that one knows the very mind and thoughts of God....
Just my 2 cents worth...
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/26/2008 11:11:05 PM
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The 2 writings Jesus wrote in the dust in John 8 were the 2 greatest commandments ....if it were not, ....then they would have trapped him with the Law of Moses, as the scripture said
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I just want it to be correct...so I can rebuke this here..........."The Scriptures “do not tell us” what He wrote,
Gypsy, where do you find in Scripture what he wrote? As Lapidoth pointed out,
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Just a note, the Scriptures do not tell us what He wrote, just that He wrote.
I have yet to see anywhere, in any text, what He wrote...to presume that He wrote this or that is to read into the text and to presume that one knows the very mind and thoughts of God....
Just my 2 cents worth...
Greetings,
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I have yet to see anywhere, in any text, what He wrote...to presume that He wrote this or that is to read into the text and to presume that one knows the very mind and thoughts of God....
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?"
16 But we have the mind of Christ.
.....I don’t see where knowing what He wrote is instructing the Lord, He made quite visible what He wrote, all we have do is read the scenario, it speaks for itself
What are the 2 greatest commandments?
What are 2 of the Ten Commandments that were being broken, when we look at those we have what He wrote the 2 times... and is verified by the conviction of the crowd and when He addressed the women.
….It’s getting late; I post it up tomorrow….
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/27/2008 7:07:46 PM
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"good teacher, what must i do to inherit eternal life" and JESUS responded "why do you call ME good teacher". JESUS didn't always answer the question.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/27/2008 8:24:59 PM
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"good teacher, what must i do to inherit eternal life" and JESUS responded "why do you call ME good teacher". JESUS didn't always answer the question.
21.Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest : go thy way , sell whatsoever thou hast , and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come , take up the cross, and follow me.
That wasn't an answer???
22.And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved : for he had great possessions.
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/28/2008 7:39:54 AM
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OK, I'm skipping the next 2 pages so I hope I'm not repeating someone else's post.
In Walt Wangerin's book, "The Book of God", he depicts her as a woman who had been widowed 5 times. As a result the man in her life in this point was afraid to marry her because he was afraid of her being widowed 6 times. (Kind of reminds me of Henery the 8th I Am.) Anyway, she could have been married several times without the stigma of divorce but still been viewed as an outcast for living with someone not her husband.
I also heard a sermon online (I think John MacArthur) who brought up the point of why she told the men of the city about Him? Because she knew all the men! (And the women probably wouldn't talk to her.) LOL
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/28/2008 5:25:43 PM
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This sounds like a lot of rabbinics to me. LoyalGypsy, the Ruach Ha Chedosh(Holy Spirit) may have made it clear to you what He wrote. He may have written the commandment that condemns false wittnesses to the same fate that would have been applied to the accused. That said, are you calling yourself a prophet and are you willing to accept the biblical penalty should you be mistaken?
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/28/2008 6:31:45 PM
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This sounds like a lot of rabbinic to me. LoyalGypsy, the Ruach Ha Chedosh (Holy Spirit) may have made it clear to you what He wrote.
He may have written the commandment that condemns false witnesses to the same fate that would have been applied to the accused.
That said, are you calling yourself a prophet and are you willing to accept the biblical penalty should you be mistaken?
What do you mean? quote:
He may have written the commandment that condemns false witnesses to the same fate that would have been applied to the accused.
LG
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Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice
...So the Persians ask that the 300 drop their arms. Leonidas responds; "Persians! Come and get them!"
300 The Movie
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/28/2008 6:34:21 PM
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OK, I'm skipping the next 2 pages so I hope I'm not repeating someone else's post.
In Walt Wangerin's book, "The Book of God", he depicts her as a woman who had been widowed 5 times. As a result the man in her life in this point was afraid to marry her because he was afraid of her being widowed 6 times. (Kind of reminds me of Henery the 8th I Am.) Anyway, she could have been married several times without the stigma of divorce but still been viewed as an outcast for living with someone not her husband.
I also heard a sermon online (I think John MacArthur) who brought up the point of why she told the men of the city about Him? Because she knew all the men! (And the women probably wouldn't talk to her.) LOL
Greetings,
Well that fits the prophecy, as Jesus said in John 2:11-12
the 5 books are the Torah, in which the women was outcast ..the building of the Second Temple in Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile the returning exiles considered the Samaritans to be “non-Jews” and, thus, not fit for this religious work…….. meaning they could not return to the first, which means because they worshiped differently than the Jew ............so the one she was with in that respect was not her husbandman because it was outside the covenant with Israel, = a type of fornication of the faith
But the on prophetic side,
She knew that the Messiah or the husbandman would come, and bring her back into covenant as the bride, not by the mikvah of the Baptism of John (John 4:1-6) but as the bride of Christ....
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In Walt Wangerin's book, "The Book of God", he depicts her as a woman who had been widowed 5 times. As a result the man in her life in this point was afraid to marry her because he was afraid of her being widowed 6 times.
Jesus speaks of 5 brothers of the man in hades, "who is the 6th", now this is in opposite of the women at the well... as we see here…. it is too late for him
27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him (Lazarus)... “to my father's house”….., 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
29 Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses (=5 the books)..and the prophets; ..Let them hear them.'
Now Depending on whose father the women at the well was according to their worship and customs as influenced by the rise of Seleucus in the area... it will also explain why she went to the men first.
But here is some limited info and some notes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans#Religious_beliefs
Ancient Greece started interacting with other cultures through wars, religion started evolving.
Religion in ancient Greece was impacted by Islam, Christianity and early Roman belief system which is evident even today in Greece.
……….Position of Women in Marriage during the Archaic Age:
If a family had a daughter it needed to raise a substantial sum to pay the dowry to her husband.
If there was no son, the daughter passed her father's inheritance to her spouse, for which reason she would be married to a close male relative: cousin or uncle. Normally, she was married a few years after puberty to a man much older than herself.
SO literally we see why she went through 5 husbands
Archaic Age Women in Ancient Athens:
The Word Archaic:
Archaic comes from the Greek arche = beginning (as in "In the beginning was the word....").
………Most of the evidence about women in this time comes from Athens because. Ancient Greece started interacting with other cultures through wars, religion started evolving.
Women were needed to help run the oikos 'home' where she would cook, spin, weave, manage servants and raise the children.
Chores like fetching water and going to market were done by a servant "if" ….the family could afford it.
Higher class women were expected to have a chaperone accompany them when they left the house. Among the middle class, at least in Athens, women were a liability.
So we see because the Samaritans to did not strictly adhere to the Jewish tradition, we see a lot of influxes of culture in the scenario with the women at the well.
LG
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RE: Was the woman at the well a floozy? (reading into s... - 4/28/2008 6:47:29 PM
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This sounds like a lot of rabbinic to me. LoyalGypsy, the Ruach Ha Chedosh (Holy Spirit) may have made it clear to you what He wrote.
He may have written the commandment that condemns false witnesses to the same fate that would have been applied to the accused.
That said, are you calling yourself a prophet and are you willing to accept the biblical penalty should you be mistaken?
What do you mean? quote:
He may have written the commandment that condemns false witnesses to the same fate that would have been applied to the accused.
LG
Duet 19:18 The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against his brother, 19 then do to him as he intended to do to his brother. You must purge the evil from among you. 20 The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you.
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