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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/15/2008 8:16:42 PM
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lexie
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So do you say that you know something but can't say? I'm wondering what would be the purpose in bringing it up, if you know you can't expand further on it.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/15/2008 9:24:17 PM
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I think what she means is that God will show her things about others, not for the purpose of telling them what she's been shown, but so that she can be praying about that issue for the person.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/16/2008 12:00:15 AM
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That is very cool Sarah!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/16/2008 8:08:56 AM
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Cool, thanks for your explanation Sarah!
The reason I ask is this - Dh and I know someone who says they experience a lot of visions. Neither of us have ever met anyone who does. Our church teaches that those things are possible, that we all can possess gifts, but that there needs to be a purpose for it (duh, obviously Lexie.) I think you guys will get what I'm saying, that similar to tongues, people won't be going off talking in tongues all the time if God doesn't have an express purpose for it.
Anyways, this person Dh and I know is constantly talking about their visions. But they say that they are not allowed to say anything about them. So we are wondering why they are always bringing up their visions, if they're not going to say anything (usually their visions aren't about specific people but general things that are to come - we know that much.)
We are also curious what more there is that God needs to reveal about what is to come, but that can only be revealed to certain people. I thought that wasn't something that happened anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).
Anyways, Dh and I pretty confused on this subject. I grew up in a church that shyed away from all things tongues, prophecy, etc., so it's new to me, and Dh has never met anyone that goes through these types of experiences.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/16/2008 11:20:12 AM
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this person Dh and I know is constantly talking about their visions. But they say that they are not allowed to say anything about them. So we are wondering why they are always bringing up their visions, if they're not going to say anything (usually their visions aren't about specific people but general things that are to come - we know that much.)
sounds a bit weird to me. I don't want to judge (because I don't know them or the situation)...but if God tells me not to say then I don't even say that I can't say...unless specifically asked (and then only by certain people who can tell by looking at me that I know something anyway). So to me it sounds like this person's reasoning could be that they want attention from it maybe? Prideful? Do they act like that or come across like that to you?
I fully agree that visions and prophecy are for a purpose...and if there is no purpose then God wouldn't reveal it to someone. So if htis person seems to have no real purpose to know these things (ie, prayer, or confirmation for someone else, or edification) then I doubt they are really working in the way God would have them work....and (not to be mean, cause again I don't know them) I doubt they really truly are having visions/prophecies. There is always a reason...even if we don't see the reason, God always has a reason for certain things. But when you are talking of someone that deals in a certain area often then they should know the reason God has them being used in that area. If they don't know that (generally speaking) then I think they are not prayed up enough to understand the true calling of what God has put on their heart...which I have a real problem with (spiritually speaking). KWIM? God can use anyone in any way He so chooses...for as long as He chooses...but I believe there are times when He chooses certain people to always work through them in certain ways. Maybe it's because their faith in that area is strong enough to handle what He will reveal or do through them...or maybe it's another reason...who knows. I have known people with a ministry of healing....God chooses to use them in many ways, but predominantly in bringing about healing (physical, spiritual, revival, etc). I think for the person I am talking of it is because of their great faith in the area of healing, so God can shine through with them in that area. In other areas they aren't so strong in faith, so God doesn't use them as much there.
(OK...I am not sure if I am rambling or even making sense...but I don't have anything more to say and that seems kind of a weird way to end the post...)
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/16/2008 11:35:26 AM
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this person Dh and I know is constantly talking about their visions. But they say that they are not allowed to say anything about them. So we are wondering why they are always bringing up their visions, if they're not going to say anything (usually their visions aren't about specific people but general things that are to come - we know that much.)
sounds a bit weird to me. I don't want to judge (because I don't know them or the situation)...but if God tells me not to say then I don't even say that I can't say...unless specifically asked (and then only by certain people who can tell by looking at me that I know something anyway). So to me it sounds like this person's reasoning could be that they want attention from it maybe? Prideful? Do they act like that or come across like that to you?
I was thinking the same thing (and I agree with the rest of what Sarah said). Your description sort of made me think of a kid dancing around saying "I know a secret that I can't tell."
I believe that the more "extreme" gifts of the spirit (prophecy, tongues, healing, etc) are still active in the church, but that they are always for a purpose and with order. The New Testament sets out specific ways for tongues to be used, prophecies to be given, etc. They're nearly always for the edification of the church, or a specific person or group.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/16/2008 2:40:12 PM
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You weren't rambling Sarah and it totally makes sense.
We spoke to our pastor about it today, and he was saying that what this guy talks about is what is taught in a lot of churches in the Caribbean (including the one that Dh grew up in). That if you aren't speaking in tongues or receiving some sort of prophecy then your faith isn't strong enough. Dh and I were worried that this guy was holding on to what he was taught in his church back home, and the pastor agrees that this is probably what's happening.
It's not to say that the guy isn't receiving dreams, or inspiration, or teaching from God, but that the guy is probably interpreting it as something bigger than it is. I know that in Dh's last church, his brothers had a lot of problems with these things, people carrying over things that were taught in the churches back home that didn't have biblical basis. My BIL said that some churches still allow practices that border on the occult and it seems like this guys church may have been doing this or stuff similar to it.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 5:42:36 AM
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In my church, prophesy, visions, tongues, etc. aren't emphasised. Not that we don't believe in it (that wouldn't be a Biblical stance) but it's not the usual way that God speaks to us. He speaks to us through the Word and that's where we should be looking, not to other people.
There are people outside of the Scriptures who have truly been inspired and written great works or treatises and while they should inspire us and teach us, they still only play second fiddle to the Word Itself. I think the reason we tend to shy away from these sorts of things is that they tend to place too much emphasis on the person claiming to have had the vision, dream, etc. (I wouldn't apply this to Sarah because, like she said, she's very careful not to mention it at all unless she felt led by God to do so and after testing it against the Word.) Unfortunately not all are like that.
It's similar to why we reject the "personal relationship with Christ" slogan. Personal testimonies over doctrine tend to get people focusing on what Christ has done for individuals (the Gospel according to Beth, for example) rather than what Christ has done for mankind (the Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John).
But, that being said, if someone God knows I trust were to come to me and tell me something, I'd be skeptical, of course, but I'd keep an open mind, ask them about it (did they test it against Scripture, etc.), and then test it myself with much prayer. That hasn't happened yet, but I hope that I would be in a receptive mood and not miss something potentially important.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 2:49:47 PM
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I feel like such a fool right now and just need to get it off my chest to someone. My eldest has a Port-Wine Stain birthmark covering half his face. He's at here at the church where I work for summer camp this week. I was walking across the gym and he starts calling to me from the railing upstairs. I stopped and he started pointing to his face and then down to a young man standing at the check out table. When I looked, the young man had a birthmark. Without really thinking, I approached him and mentioned that I had a son with a birthmark just like his- not really sure what I was expecting from him. He kind of shied away. His younger sister was there and she started talking to me (turns out she rides the same bus to school as Marshall).
It was so insensitive of me to approach him like that. He was only about 16 or 17 years old and I imagine he gets a lot of unwelcome attention because of his birthmark. I'm hopeful that I'll see him again and have an opportunity to apologize. I wonder if I even should or just drop it.
There, I feel much better having confessed me goofiness to someone.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 2:57:12 PM
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I'm not sure if you should aplogize or not (just because he may feel uncomfortable about it again), but I think you didn't mean any harm to him. I'd think differently if you were picking on him attempting to make him shy away about it... but you weren't. I suppose it wouldn't be bad to apologize if you see him again, but otherwise not "stress" about it.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 2:58:53 PM
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Aw, Kat, your intentions were so sweet, weren't they? Trying to make that teenager feel like he's not the only one.
It's also sweet how Marshall pointed it out to you. I can picture the whole scene.
Teenagers are ALWAYS self-conscious, whether they have a birthmark or not. Call it like you see it if you see him again.
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Don't feel goofy. Your intention was really very sweet.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 3:33:01 PM
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((((((Kat))))))) I agree with what Jeanie said. Sorry you feel bad about what you did, but you didn't mean to be insensitive and I personally don't think you were insensitive. All teenagers are different. If I had a birth mark like your sons and you approached me when I was a teen and mentioned that I would be happy you let me know so I wouldn't feel like the only one.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 3:40:42 PM
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Do you believe that God "wills" or "commands" us to do something that is blatantly against His word?
No, I don't. I believe that like Paul says in 1 Corinthians, all things are permissable, but not all things are beneficial. Meaning that we have the freedom to make choices, but those choices may not always be the right ones. We are not robots.
But that being said, I believe that if we make the wrong choice and we are committed to the Lord, there may be consequences, but he is faithful to forgive and help us clean up our mess, if we are repentant and are seeking him.
That makes sense to me.
But I wonder about situations like this -- my dad was not saved and my mom was when they got married. So, she married him against the commands of the Word. My dad became a Christian just a few months into their marriage and accepted the call to the ministry. He is one of the most spiritually wise, kindest men on Earth and is a wonderful reflection of Christ. My parents have had an awesome ministry over the course of their marriage, (still are ministering), and the Lord has worked in the lives of all their children. So . . . . I'm honestly not sure if my mom spent a lot of time in prayer before she married my dad. She was barely 17. I've never asked her that. But looking at them, looking at their lives, it's hard NOT to see the Lord had a purpose for my mom and dad coming together. But I don't think he "commanded" them to get married. So things like that are kind of a mystery. What would've happened to my dad had my mom gone to the Word and decided not to marry him? I don't know. I'm glad things turned out the way they did. But there was disobedience initially! OK, now I'm gonna call my mom tonight and have this discussion with her . . . . LOL!!!!
eta: Kat -- I totally agree with Jeanie, too!
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 5:49:06 PM
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my dad was not saved and my mom was when they got married.
So, she married him against the commands of the Word.
My dad became a Christian just a few months into their marriage and accepted the call to the ministry.
What would've happened to my dad had my mom gone to the Word and decided not to marry him? I don't know.
Hi, Rachel,
It is entirely possible that your mom and dad could still have married if she had waited it out longer and married him when he WAS saved. (Which you said was just a few months into their marriage.)
I know it's a really delicate topic around here for some people (saved/unsaved spouses at marriage), but I think it's often overlooked (conveniently but without malicious intent) that perhaps Person A and Person B *would still have married* but maybe not in the timing they as humans chose and God were allowed to get the unsaved spouse walking with Him BEFORE the marriage vows.
But I know that this is a topic that out-and-out makes some people mad. I just wanted to point out that maybe God would like it for a saved/unsaved couple to WAIT because maybe He does want them together and will bring about the unsaved person's salvation to fruition in His time.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 5:55:07 PM
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That is a good point, Jeanie. I do believe I was sinning in marrying Brian when I did, and there have been consequences for that even though I know I am forgiven and so is he now. I was rebelling against God's Word and against those in spiritual authority over me (both senior pastor and youth pastor strongly advised against marrying Brian at that time).
That said...I don't think God has a plan B for any of us. God knew that Rachel's parents would marry when they did, and His plan included that in it. God knew all that Brian and I would do and His plan for us included even the things we did wrong. WHY? Because God knows all, so there is no way He didn't know what we would do. He also knew that we would come to repentance eventually, and so He would be glorified in the end.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 6:00:51 PM
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I was unsaved when Dh and I started dating. I asked him once if he would have married me if I wasn't saved while we were dating, and he flat out said no. I asked at what point he would have ended the relationship, and he said once it was obvious I had no intent on being saved, but he couldn't say for sure what would have made him think that, since we never ended up in that situation.
As for God commanding us to do something against His will, I don't really see that happening, and I'm not sure if it's something that could be a case by case thing (some people may argue that it's possible in one situation but not another.) Interesting thought though.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 6:17:34 PM
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Jeanie brings up a very good point. I know that I know that I know that God had me get ENGAGED to Paul when he wasn't saved....but before we got MARRIED he was saved. If he hadn't been engaged to me then he wouldn't have had the experiences that led him to realizing that he needed to be saved though.
See I can understand when people say that you shouldn't be unequally yoked in your marriage, but I do speak up when people say you shouldn't think about getting into a relationship with someone who isn't saved. If my husband and I hadn't started spending time together and doing stuff, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to minister to me. Doing stuff together led to studying together, which led to my being saved. I know that God put him in my life to bring me to Him (Dh was a response to my prayer at a time when I was truly lost in my life.)
Because of our experience I try to tell people to not completely rule out a relationship with someone just because they aren't a believer. At first Dh looked at me like I was crazy when I told him how God used him in my life, but when we look at it deeply, he gets it. What if he had turned away from how God wanted to use him, since he didn't realize it at the time.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/17/2008 6:39:28 PM
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I don't think God has a plan B for any of us.
God knows all, so there is no way He didn't know what we would do.
Yes, Donna, I realize this and was going to put it in my above post but my posts are always so long anyway...
No, I do not believe that God is surprised by our actions...like God is up there thinking "What?? Linda married Joe in July? She was supposed to marry Raoul in September!"
Just like God works with ALL of the things His people do on their own without waiting for Him....like my niece who was born to my brother and his then-girlfriend. God works WITH that situation rather than against it, although my brother and his girlfriend chose to ignore God's commands on the marriage bed.
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/18/2008 12:04:08 AM
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The part that's "scary" about starting a relationship with an unsaved person is that it can lead you to a place where it is much harder or almost impossible to stop the relationship.
If the purpose of dating is to find the person you want to marry, why would you date someone you know you can't marry?
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RE: Kicka, part 3 - 6/18/2008 1:47:12 AM
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Ok, I have one...
Do you believe that God "wills" or "commands" us to do something that is blatantly against His word?
Short answer: No.
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The part that's "scary" about starting a relationship with an unsaved person is that it can lead you to a place where it is much harder or almost impossible to stop the relationship.
If the purpose of dating is to find the person you want to marry, why would you date someone you know you can't marry?
I agree, Tammy. I think it depends on what your relationship with that other person is. If it's a serious, one-on-one dating relationship, I can see that heading for trouble real quick. If it's just developing an opposite-sex friendship/relationship....I think that's what Christians are supposed to do.
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