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PrincessDonna -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/12/2008 1:22:18 PM)

I prefer NIV and have never once thought it said anything homosexual friendly. The TNIV, I don't know, as I've never read that one.

And suing Zondervan for printing God's Word...wow...every one take a few steps away from that man before the lightning strikes. Maybe he should bring a suit against God and see what God has to say?[&:]



uponeagleswings -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/12/2008 2:29:43 PM)

What does TNIV stand for? That's a version I've never heard of.
I've never thought of the NIV as being homosexual friendly. I did see an article about that court case...someone responded that it should mean Christians can sue those who print nasty things about them. [:D]



daughter_of_faith -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/12/2008 4:18:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uponeagleswings

What does TNIV stand for? That's a version I've never heard of.
I've never thought of the NIV as being homosexual friendly. I did see an article about that court case...someone responded that it should mean Christians can sue those who print nasty things about them. [:D]


The TNIV is Today's New International Version of the Bible. Basically it's an "updated" NIV that from my understanding takes out a lot of the gender references...ie: man becomes humanity or people, etc. Or course that is in the proper contexts....



purejoy -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/12/2008 9:30:32 PM)

I've been raised on the NIV too and never thought it to be condoning homosexuality.
I guess I'm not sure about that article though. And to me, it can be kind of confusing. Homosexuality is wrong...but what if you have homosexual feelings and choose not to act on them? So then you're not a "practicing" homosexual...are you still a homosexual? Or someone who struggles with homosexual feelings? But even though you're tempetd, you're not acting on them....so are you sinning? I guess, the part about comparing it to a "practicing murderer" didn't really make sense to me. If you're not not murdering anyone, then you're not a "practicing" murder because you're not doing anything....so that's not wrong.
My thoughts might be confusing...just what I thought of when I read that article.



daughter_of_faith -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/12/2008 10:10:50 PM)

Well, the Bible tells us in Matthew 5 that whoever lusts after a woman has committed adultery in his heart already. To me, that says if he has thoughts of lusting, he's committed the sin. Wouldn't the same "logic" apply to other sins?



myka -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 1:02:22 AM)

Thoughts and behavior are sinful; each of us struggle with certain sins (we like to sin in certain ways). We all can be saved through the blood of Jesus. There are certain people who would claim that people who are struggling with certain sins (homosexuality) are abominations to God.

As far as the TNIV, it changed man to people or humanity when man referred to humankind instead of the specific gender. There are instances where it remained the same when it referred to the male gender. There are some other changes that they made for clarification in a more modern usage of English.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 11:39:43 AM)

Leviticus does say that homosexuality is an abomination(I almost typed that O-bamination, hehe) but I was never taught that the people who are homosexual are abominations. It is hard to know the difference though.



ThursdaysChild -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 1:13:51 PM)

It's one thing to be tempted (whatever that temptation might be) and to act upon that temptation and thereby sin. However, if you keep your mind on those temptations and allow your mind to dwell on them, i.e. looking at/reading porn, lustful thoughts about others (of either gender), etc. then there's not much difference between thinking about it and doing it, KWIM?

That's what Jesus was talking about when He was speaking about lusting after another woman. It's one thing to notice that a woman (or man) is attractive. It's something else to think about that person in a way that you should only be thinking of your spouse. He recognizes that we're not blind. He doesn't expect us not to appreciate the beauty of creation...but to keep it in its proper perspective. But we need to keep our thoughts from controlling us. That would lead us into sin if we didn't.



ChelseaRae -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 3:53:50 PM)

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It's one thing to be tempted (whatever that temptation might be) and to act upon that temptation and thereby sin. However, if you keep your mind on those temptations and allow your mind to dwell on them, i.e. looking at/reading porn, lustful thoughts about others (of either gender), etc. then there's not much difference between thinking about it and doing it, KWIM?


I agree. Being tempted to sin is not sinning, the Bible tells us that Jesus was tempted by satan to sin but Jesus rebuked him.



bride48 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 4:34:38 PM)

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It's one thing to be tempted (whatever that temptation might be) and to act upon that temptation and thereby sin. However, if you keep your mind on those temptations and allow your mind to dwell on them, i.e. looking at/reading porn, lustful thoughts about others (of either gender), etc. then there's not much difference between thinking about it and doing it, KWIM?


I agree. Being tempted to sin is not sinning, the Bible tells us that Jesus was tempted by satan to sin but Jesus rebuked him.


Absolutely!

The problem is that people with homosexual feelings mistake their temptations for their identities. They think it's who they are. I worked for an ex-gay ministry for 12 years, and one of the biggest battles was getting clients to see homosexuality as a behavior rather than an identity. In truth, they choose to embrace their sinful desires instead of confessing them as sin and then directing their attention in godly paths.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 4:41:13 PM)

This is an interesting topic for us, we're experiencing a sibling who is in a relationship with someone of the same sex. The person is only 18, and told me yesterday that she believes in God but not the Bible.



bride48 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 4:50:34 PM)

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This is an interesting topic for us, we're experiencing a sibling who is in a relationship with someone of the same sex. The person is only 18, and told me yesterday that she believes in God but not the Bible.


God as she imagines Him to be? How convenient!



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 4:54:38 PM)

That's pretty much what I was thinking. But how do you explain that to someone?



bride48 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 4:56:43 PM)

I'd say it straight out![:)]



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 4:58:31 PM)

Yeah, depending on the person it could be ok to do that, but with this person I think it would drive them farther away.



McGuinessMagee -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 5:44:19 PM)

Ryanne, sometimes you have to speak the truth anyway. What the person does with that truth is their choice. God will hold us accountable for not speaking the truth. He's not going to hold us accountable for someone getting their knickers in a knot when we speak the truth.

I had a very different situation with a common problem on Saturday night. Someone wanted me to paint a rosey picture of my country upbringing to make her feel better about her child moving to the country.

My response was that living in the country is just as safe or dangerous as living in the city. The culture may be slightly different but there are still human beings living in both places. The only difference between the two that I've experienced is that sometimes people want to be more naive about the country, hoping there really is a place in the world that people don't do bad things.

Sometimes sugarcoating is more damaging in the long run than speaking the truth.

I would prefer someone to walk into Hell with eyes wide open than for me to guide them blind to the gates of Heaven and have them refused at the gate.

Kylie[sm=silly.gif]



manda59 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 5:51:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
This is an interesting topic for us, we're experiencing a sibling who is in a relationship with someone of the same sex. The person is only 18, and told me yesterday that she believes in God but not the Bible.




A deity then, but not God.



bride48 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 5:57:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: McGuinessMagee

Ryanne, sometimes you have to speak the truth anyway. What the person does with that truth is their choice. God will hold us accountable for not speaking the truth. He's not going to hold us accountable for someone getting their knickers in a knot when we speak the truth.



And she might think about it more because it's blunt.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 6:22:49 PM)

Ryanne, my 18 yo SIL is kind of in a similar place spiritually. She KNOWS the truth and I do not feel the need to beat her over the head with it. I appreciate that she loves my kids and is still willing to let us be a big part of her life, even though she has walked away from God (never had a strong faith to begin with). I enjoy spending time with her and having serious discussions with her without beating her with my Bible. She reminds me a lot of myself at that age, actually, and it was the people who just loved me where I was at that made it easy for me to come back to Christ eventually.

If your sibling knows the truth, I would pray, and pray, and pray, and pray for the truth of God to be revealed fresh to her. And then love her, just as she is.



bride48 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 6:30:16 PM)

I thought it was the sibling's "friend."



PrincessDonna -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 6:31:32 PM)

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we're experiencing a sibling who is in a relationship with someone of the same sex.


Sounds like a sibling of either Ryanne or her husband. Probably she'd rather not say which.



bride48 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 6:35:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

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we're experiencing a sibling who is in a relationship with someone of the same sex.


Sounds like a sibling of either Ryanne or her husband. Probably she'd rather not say which.


If that's the case, I agree with your point, Donna.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 7:00:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

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we're experiencing a sibling who is in a relationship with someone of the same sex.


Sounds like a sibling of either Ryanne or her husband. Probably she'd rather not say which.


Your right.
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She reminds me a lot of myself at that age, actually, and it was the people who just loved me where I was at that made it easy for me to come back to Christ eventually.

If your sibling knows the truth, I would pray, and pray, and pray, and pray for the truth of God to be revealed fresh to her. And then love her, just as she is.


She reminds me alot of myself at that age too, which is sorta scary. And you right, because she does know the truth all we really can do is love her. I know it was my Godmother who was "Jesus with skin on" in my life at that age, and she is probably one of the biggest reasons that I am where I am today.



isaacsmom -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 9:46:42 PM)

I have a cousin who made a profession of faith as a young teenager, and grew up in church, however she is in a relationship with someone of the same sex and has been for a few years. I've struggled a lot with it, and prayed about it, but this is basically what the Lord has laid on my heart:

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She KNOWS the truth and I do not feel the need to beat her over the head with it. I appreciate that she loves my kids and is still willing to let us be a big part of her life, even though she has walked away from God (never had a strong faith to begin with). I enjoy spending time with her and having serious discussions with her without beating her with my Bible. She reminds me a lot of myself at that age, actually, and it was the people who just loved me where I was at that made it easy for me to come back to Christ eventually.


Thanks, Donna! That post really was an encouragement to me. It sounds so much like my relationship with my cousin. It is a difficult situation. I just need to love her and pray for her and only speak as the Spirit directs. It's very, very hard to see her on this path.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/13/2008 9:53:43 PM)

You're welcome, Rachel. It is hard to see them make such poor decisions that you know will only bring hurt down the road. But at the same time...they have to make their own choices in life, just like we did. I'll be there to point her in the right direction again when she's ready. Until then, I'm just "here", waiting, praying, and loving.

She lived with us for almost a year when she was 14-15 because her parents couldn't deal with her. She was never anything but helpful and loving while she lived in my house, and came to church with us every week with no trouble. We would have kept her with us indefinitely, except her "parents" (and I use that term loosely[:@]) were not willing to back us up the one time she did get in trouble and we grounded her. We couldn't keep her with us and have no authority, so she made the choice to leave. They ended up emancipating her a year later, just to not have to deal with her.

This SIL will be spending the day with us Tuesday, if you think of praying for our time together. I always ask her to go with us when I need an extra hand with the kids and Noah has an appointment with his tummy doctor in the city that day. I'm anticipating some great conversation on the ride there and back.



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