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ThursdaysChild -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 9:24:09 AM)

I happen to know they like fruit roll-ups! One of our neighbors here works for either General Mills or General Food (I forget which). They accidentally shipped a crate of roll=ups to them and when they tried to get it back (to send the right order) the whole shipment had already been eaten. And it was only there maybe a day?

I just think all this tuition talk makes me want to raise my kids overseas. Oh, wait, I am! Maybe we should stay over here. LOL



lexie -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 11:42:33 AM)

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Some people couldn't afford to pay more in taxes, they'd be even more broke then they already are... It's nice in theory though.


I think there's a slight difference (unless what I think you're thinking is not what you're thinking[;)]).

When I buy something at the store, I pay GST on it. That money goes toward things like my healthcare. So when I bought my tv a few months ago, I paid my sales tax and thus, paid for my health care. GST isn't applied to everything, basic necessities like food don't have GST on them. If I don't have the money to buy a tv then I don't pay GST, but I still get my health care. So if I have the money to buy a luxury item, then I have the money to pay a little bit of sales tax on it.

And most people who can't really afford to pay the extra taxes, get a GST rebate from the government.

Besides you get used to paying 5% and you factor it into your purchase.

Anyways I've never actually lived under the US system so I can't comment on it nor would I know where to start to compare the two.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 12:01:24 PM)

We don't pay tax on food either, and in some states you don't pay any sales tax. But here in Colorado, specifically in our town(because we have a sales tax that isn't state mandated) we are already paying 9% sales tax on top of federal income tax, state income and in our city we also pay a "workers fee". Now, because of our income level we get everything back at the end of the year, or in our paycheck since we have taken almost as many exemptions as possible. But, even with what we pay in taxes our government is still in a deficit and if Obama gets elected(if he can prove his citizenship[8|]) and we go to a socialized health care system then they are going to take more taxes out from somewhere. Even though a lot of people get the money back, taking more off the top will hurt a lot of people.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 1:08:13 PM)

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Anyways I've never actually lived under the US system so I can't comment on it nor would I know where to start to compare the two.


I think one day I may move to Britain to see how I like the system, but I don't think I'll stay even if I love it. Students (from here) and professors that I know personally always chose it over the way it is here, but I've never been in both situations directly, so I can't honestly say I know which I'd like better from just thinking about the differences. I'd rather experience both sides, then decide. :) Maybe I can get some post-doctoral fellowships over there.



isaacsmom -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 1:17:46 PM)

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if Obama gets elected(if he can prove his citizenship )


Is THIS what you're referring to? I hadn't heard that so I looked it up and found that.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 2:10:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: isaacsmom

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if Obama gets elected(if he can prove his citizenship )


Is THIS what you're referring to? I hadn't heard that so I looked it up and found that.


THIS is actually what I was referring to... Interesting stuff, we'll have to see how it plays out. He probably IS a citizen, but I find it intriguing that he is not willing to put forward a legit birth certificate.



isaacsmom -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 2:18:18 PM)

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he is not willing to put forward a legit birth certificate.


Oh, my!!! Yeah, why wouldn't he? There are a lot of things about that guy that seem strange to me. But that's for another thread, I guess, LOL.



lexie -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 2:50:59 PM)

Thanks for the explanation Ryanne. Like I said I don't know your system (didn't know about all those taxes) so I can't comment.

But I have always said that socialised medical care will never work in the US, your population is simply too large for it. The issues that our system is having lately have to do with the stress of a growing population (and other factors that relate to a growing population). There is no way it can be introduced into such a large society.



myka -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 3:24:08 PM)

Umm. I pay sales taxes on food. Different states have different rules about their sales taxes.

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But, even with what we pay in taxes our government is still in a deficit

Of course 8 years ago, our government had a surplus.

I think it would be very difficult to have a federal socialized system in the States; I think it would have to be more localized. But the reality is that we are going to have to do something about health care very soon. My own view is that one of our problems is that there is a middle man in the whole health care system (insurance companies). I think that when the consumer is removed from the true costs of products, the costs can increase without the consumer having a chance to respond. Our government also legally subsidizes part of the health care industry (pharmaceutical companies).



isaacsmom -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 3:51:16 PM)

Yup, we pay sales tax on food (in OK). We don't pay sales tax on vehicles, though, just an excise tax. In MO we had to pay sales tax on vehicles upon purchase and also personal property tax every year (which we always hated). OK doesn't have personal property tax, but our car tags are high. MO car tags are cheap. It's so interesting how things vary from state to state.

Ryanne, what is the "workers fee?"



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 5:14:18 PM)

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Ryanne, what is the "workers fee?"


Oh, it's a flat charge of like $2 per month. No big deal, but it just bugs me that our city charges a sales tax, and then a fee for us to work.

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Umm. I pay sales taxes on food. Different states have different rules about their sales taxes.


Aren't we in the same state? I am probably wrong about the sales tax but I thought we only paid it on pre-prepared foods(salads, sandwhichs, etc... from the deli), soda, tobacco, and alcohol. Honestly, I have really only ever shopped at the Commissary since living in Colorado. We don't pay sales tax there...

Colorado actually only has a 2.9% state sales tax, we just also pay county and city sales tax which include small taxes for things like public transportation, the football stadium, and museums.



peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 9:40:34 PM)

soldiers boxes....
I wouldn't send the shaving cream (they can get that there where they are most of the time anyway).
Also I would urge you to pack all the shampoo, soap, etc in baggies so that if they get busted it doesn't leak all over everything.
I also agree with Ryanne...sweets they get all the time, so I tried to stick with things that were more substance (like Tuna, beef jerky, etc). You just have to make sure it doesn't have any pork products in it (some beef jerky products do, so check the packaging). Also most soldier eat up things like Vienna Sausages (the non-pork kinds of course).
One of my hubby's favorite things was a small (hand size) soccer ball that I sent him....he tossed that around all the time and they would play games with it, etc.



Miss Giggles -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 9:45:41 PM)

6% sales tax, used to be 4

We pay sales tax on new cars. A lot of people buy used private party to get around it but they might start tracking it.

We are supposed to declare a use tax on anything bought online that wasn't charged sales tax but no one puts it on their taxes and all the major sites updated their software to automatically charge sales tax to michigan.

I read something about people not wanting to go into nursing because socialized health care will come in and kill the wages. I have no idea if it's true or not but I am still considering it.



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/26/2008 10:18:45 PM)

In some other countries with universal healthcare the wages are cut, for everyone in there (doctors included). But it's so different depending on the country that I can't say it's that way for every country.



bride48 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/27/2008 4:51:58 PM)

I just realized that socialized health care will make things even worse for people like me who are forced to use Medicare and Medicaid. My husband and I both had our power wheelchairs break down in March (me) and April (him). Mine was fixed two weeks ago, and his was fixed (for the most part) Friday. Medicare routinely delays things having to do with durable equipment. I'm fearful that it will get even worse if the whole country goes to socialized health care!

It sounds great. Believe me...it's horrible!



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/27/2008 4:57:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bride48

I just realized that socialized health care will make things even worse for people like me who are forced to use Medicare and Medicaid. My husband and I both had our power wheelchairs break down in March (me) and April (him). Mine was fixed two weeks ago, and his was fixed (for the most part) Friday. Medicare routinely delays things having to do with durable equipment. I'm fearful that it will get even worse if the whole country goes to socialized health care!

It sounds great. Believe me...it's horrible!


It is an awful system, isn't it? My younger two brother-in-laws are both wheel chair bound, and it takes AT LEAST 6 months to get their new wheel chairs, and ordering parts is just as much of a hassle.

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In some other countries with universal healthcare the wages are cut, for everyone in there (doctors included).


Which is why a lot of people are always whining that the US has one of the largest gaps between socioeconomic groups. Personally, I think if you have earned and worked hard to become a doctor/lawyer/CEO/whatever then you should be allowed to earn a higher wage. But then, our country is also lacking in fair value salaries.



lexie -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/27/2008 7:04:54 PM)

How does Medicare work? Is it just like another insurance company?



TwinCityGirl -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/27/2008 11:12:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lexie

When I buy something at the store, I pay GST on it.

Anyways I've never actually lived under the US system so I can't comment on it nor would I know where to start to compare the two.



Lexie!!!!! Oh goodness, at my last job we had a Canadian client and you just reminded me of all the extra work to bill them with that GST -- oh man that was a hassle! Ugh.

It's been really nice to see, over the years, how faithful the Canadians are to their healthcare system. [sm=flagcanadian.jpg] Yep, it's totally different than here but people there like it and I'm glad for that.

A system like you've got, Lexie, would work wonders for people like my brother, but that's another story. (He just got out of the hospital 9 days ago. Poor kid.)

I'm not sure my post has a real point to it. [8|][sm=chicken.gif][sm=icon_smile_blush.gif]I think it did in my head when I was starting out. (It's been a long and very busy weekend with extended family -- goooood weekend, but tiring.)

Jeanie



lexie -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/28/2008 8:13:20 AM)

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It's been really nice to see, over the years, how faithful the Canadians are to their healthcare system. Yep, it's totally different than here but people there like it and I'm glad for that.


Besides Canadians being faithful to Canadian institutions in general (like Tim Horton's) it also has to do with the fact that the majority of us haven't really had any problems with the system. Sure, when you only hear of the horror stories it's easy to form an opinion of the system. But, all of these problems, I have never seen nor has anyone I know. In fact, we've seen the reverse. Fast service, no payment problems, and the best care we could receive.

I always think of it like Michael Moore's movie Sicko. Sure it highlights some of the problem people have had in the US system, but I would assume the entire system is that way, even though he tried to make it seem like that. When I hear people not in Canada relate stories they have heard of the Canadian system, to me it's like their own little "Sicko" movie. Yes we have problems in our system, but show me a system that is perfect.

And again, that system can't work for everyone. Like I said previously, I don't think our system would ever work in the US and I think any presidential candidate, no matter how much I like them, who mentions switching systems hasn't done their research.



SweetLittleErin -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/28/2008 11:02:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: peculiar_lady2

soldiers boxes....
I wouldn't send the shaving cream (they can get that there where they are most of the time anyway).
Also I would urge you to pack all the shampoo, soap, etc in baggies so that if they get busted it doesn't leak all over everything.
I also agree with Ryanne...sweets they get all the time, so I tried to stick with things that were more substance (like Tuna, beef jerky, etc). You just have to make sure it doesn't have any pork products in it (some beef jerky products do, so check the packaging). Also most soldier eat up things like Vienna Sausages (the non-pork kinds of course).
One of my hubby's favorite things was a small (hand size) soccer ball that I sent him....he tossed that around all the time and they would play games with it, etc.


I know I am not an expert on these things, but a good friend and church member of mine is currently in Iraq and he has been requesting small toys to give to Iraqi children, and we have found that things like the toys that come in Happy Meals work great. I know, that I as an adult get Happy Meals (small burger, fries, works good for me) but I never even unwrap the toy, and its great and easy to ship. Just a passing thought....

ETA..our friend was requesting beef jerky...he said the stuff they have over there is really bad. He wanted the 'good stuff'. He also asked for meal type stuff, the microwavable, non-refrigerated things. His job usually required him coming back to camp late, and he preferred to just microwave something in his quarters.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/28/2008 11:31:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: manda59

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
I would if it meant being allowed in public VS death. However, I don't think our country will ever come to that... Britain on the other hand could.




Really?? ROFLMBO!!

You ever been to the UK?


No, but judging by certain things that have been allowed to pass then it wouldn't surprise me at all.


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SURRENDER!
So this is how it ends: not with a bang, but a whimper.

By Cal Thomas
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com


The most senior judge in England has declared that Islamic legal principles in Sharia law may be used within Muslim communities in Britain to settle marital arguments and regulate finance. Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips said, "Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law." ...

...Here are just some of the "benefits" British Muslim women can look forward to if Sharia law replaces English law: The Muslim woman cannot marry without parental approval, worsening the problem of forced marriage; marriages can be conducted without the presence of a bride, as long as the guardian consents, creating a climate for underage and early marriage; Muslim women may only marry Muslim men.

It gets worse. A Muslim man can divorce his wife by repudiating her; they have no obligation to support a former wife, or her children after the divorce; women are prohibited from divorcing husbands without his consent; abuse is not grounds for a woman to end a marriage; in matters of inheritance, sons are entitled to twice as much of an estate as daughters....



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/28/2008 12:20:32 PM)

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It also has to do with the fact that the majority of us haven't really had any problems with the system.


That's the way my friends are about Britain, and that's part of the reason I want to try it out for myself. :) Plus, I'd rather pay higher taxes in exchange for the differences (for myself; I know everyone doesn't like the idea).



lexie -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/28/2008 2:08:57 PM)

As for the continuation of the burqa thread here....

There is a difference between Sharia Law being implemented to settle disputes among the Muslim communities, and applying it to the country on a whole. Britain won't turn into an Islamic State. I think people are becoming scared of it because never before has Islam been such an influence in our world. A lot of people don't understand that the focus of *most* mosques in the West is not to convert the "heathens" of North America but to support Muslims in the West.

Sharia Law has no place in the West because it conflicts with our rights and freedoms. I'm curious if the article that Ryanne posted has actually gone through in Britain, or if it's just discussion, or the views of one person. Sharia law was discussed here in Ontario and not passed because it conflicts with provincial laws. But there were a lot of people outside of the Muslim community who agreed with allowing it.

Same thing with the recent debate here over faith based schools. The leader of the provincial Conservative party wanted the province to fund faith based schools (in other words, Islamic schools). But just because he wanted to, doesn't mean that everyone else in the party wanted to, and when it came time to for election, he lost a lot of support. But I'm sure all that was reported outside of the province was that the Conservative party supported Islamic schools. Often things are blown out of proportion.

(And funnily enough, the Conservative leader couldn't win in his own riding, my neighbourhood, which is 80% Muslim.)



Sideways -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/28/2008 2:15:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lexie
The leader of the provincial Conservative party wanted the province to fund faith based schools (in other words, Islamic schools).


A lot of conservative Christians here in the US forget the point you just made, then whenever the government agrees to support faith-based anything, it must be for all faiths, not just Christian. So, Muslim schools, charities, they would all get the same benefits that are being debated here in the US.

One judge can often make crazy decisions. I too am curious of the long term consequences of the one judge's decision that Ryanne posted. I can't imagine local religious law or customs being allowed to conflict so badly with the law of the land.



manda59 -> RE: Kicka, part 3 (7/28/2008 2:17:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mrs.Wifey
No, but judging by certain things that have been allowed to pass then it wouldn't surprise me at all.


"Allowed to pass"? The article you posted represents Lord Chief Justice Lord Philips' opinion. Like the rest of us he is allowed to have opinions!

Also, try looking at a more comprehensive article HERE

You said "things" - what else were you thinking of?



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