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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 8:48:36 PM
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Cc20
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wait...here is a questionable reasoning..if someone lets' say "gambles" and they use all their money that they win to like help a charity, or feed homeless people, maybe it could be right in one way.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 8:50:08 PM
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1love1God1way
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I agree with Cloak^
any type of gambling is sinful,
Says who?
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and everyone knows that it can be deadly, ppl are mugged and killed all the time outside casinos..because of the money!
Where I live, people get mugged for wearing the wrong colored hat. It doesn't make hat-wearing sinful.
It's the LOVE of money that is evil. I gamble, but I don't love money. If I loved money, i wouldn't be going to a private Bible college to be a poor youth pastor.
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all gambling is a sin,
Again, if you could provide some backing for such claims, I would greatly appreciate it.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 8:51:56 PM
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wait...here is a questionable reasoning..if someone lets' say "gambles" and they use all their money that they win to like help a charity, or feed homeless people, maybe it could be right in one way.
Cc20~ Why doesn't he use money from his own pocket to help a needy person instead of relying on making charity from $ dishonestly gained???
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 8:53:11 PM
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wait...here is a questionable reasoning..if someone lets' say "gambles" and they use all their money that they win to like help a charity, or feed homeless people, maybe it could be right in one way.
Cc20~ Why doesn't he use money from his own pocket to help a needy person instead of relying on making charity from $ dishonestly gained???
Again, you have yet to show why it is dishonestly gained.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 8:59:14 PM
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Shooting a gun is not evil - shooting a gun at a person is evil.
What if the person keeps posting really annoying, legalistically oriented questions just to get folks all worked up? Is that sufficient cause?
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:06:09 PM
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Shooting a gun is not evil - shooting a gun at a person is evil.
What if the person keeps posting really annoying, legalistically oriented questions just to get folks all worked up? Is that sufficient cause?
Now I know why you changed your name to "Group W" 
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:08:18 PM
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Shooting a gun is not evil - shooting a gun at a person is evil.
What if the person keeps posting really annoying, legalistically oriented questions just to get folks all worked up? Is that sufficient cause?
Now I know why you changed your name to "Group W"
"Group W is where they put you if you may not be moral enough ....."
Being ever so slightly subversive, it just seemed to fit...
That, and I like obscure musical references!
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:16:14 PM
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wait...here is a questionable reasoning..if someone lets' say "gambles" and they use all their money that they win to like help a charity, or feed homeless people, maybe it could be right in one way.
Cc20~ Why doesn't he use money from his own pocket to help a needy person instead of relying on making charity from $ dishonestly gained???
Please show in scripture why gambling is wrong and why it is dishonest.
Some people consider playing cards a form of entertainment. Would you consider giving up your form of entertainment and donating that money to the poor?
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:21:31 PM
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I'll look for it in the scriptures..and post it here.
and sure, my form of entertainment is music, and I would consider giving it up to help the poor.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:22:47 PM
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wait...here is a questionable reasoning..if someone lets' say "gambles" and they use all their money that they win to like help a charity, or feed homeless people, maybe it could be right in one way.
Cc20~ Why doesn't he use money from his own pocket to help a needy person instead of relying on making charity from $ dishonestly gained???
Please show in scripture why gambling is wrong and why it is dishonest.
Some people consider playing cards a form of entertainment. Would you consider giving up your form of entertainment and donating that money to the poor?
Thou Shall NOT STEAL!!!!
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:24:51 PM
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I got this from thebiblespeaks.com...it isn't a flat out awnser but it would pertain to gambling.
The word "Gamble" is not found in the Bible. Therefore, we do not have a direct commandment saying we cannot do it. However, since gambling is not commanded by God, refraining from it certainly does not violate the Scriptures. Can we gamble without coveting the winnings? We must decide for ourselves whether we can do it without violating the Scriptures or our consciences.
1 Timothy 6:9-10 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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He comforts us in all our troubles so that we can comfort others. When they are troubled, we will be able to give them the same comfort God has given us.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:25:42 PM
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How, precisely, is it stealing???
In a mutual game all parties agree to the rules and all parties agree to how much money they'll put into the pot. All parties also agree that the pot goes to the winner. There is no stealing involved because that would mean that someone had taken the money without consent and putting money in the pot is tacit approval and acknowledgement that the money will be taken by the winner.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:26:35 PM
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Thou Shall NOT STEAL!!!!
I've already explained to you how playing poker is NOT STEALING!
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:27:18 PM
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sjd2008
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Thou Shall NOT STEAL!!!!
Gambling is no more stealing than investing in the stock market is gambling. To steal the item must be taken against the person's will. If they give it up willingly, it is not stealing. Try again
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:33:55 PM
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sjd2008
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I got this from thebiblespeaks.com...it isn't a flat out awnser but it would pertain to gambling.
The word "Gamble" is not found in the Bible. Therefore, we do not have a direct commandment saying we cannot do it. However, since gambling is not commanded by God, refraining from it certainly does not violate the Scriptures. Can we gamble without coveting the winnings? We must decide for ourselves whether we can do it without violating the Scriptures or our consciences.
1 Timothy 6:9-10 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Actually, gambling is mentioned in the Bible. The soldiers who were guarding Christ when He was crucified "threw lots" for His clothes. That was a form of gambling.
Water skiing isn't mentioned in the Bible either. Nor are any one of hundreds of forms of entertainment. Should we refrain from all of them as well?
And yes, you can gamble without coveting the money.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:45:15 PM
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Ok here is what I found on Christian website:
Why lottery proceeds do not please God: Many people claim to be playing the lottery or gambling so that they can give the money to the church, or to some other good cause. While this may be a good motive, reality is that few use gambling winnings for godly purposes. Studies show that the vast majority of lottery winners are in an even worse financial situation a few years after winning a jackpot than they were before. Few, if any, truly give the money to a good cause. Further, God does not need our money to fund His mission in the world. Proverbs 13:11 says, “Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.” God is sovereign and will provide for the needs of the church through honest means. Would God be honored by receiving donated drug money, or money stolen in a bank robbery? Neither does God need or want money that was "stolen" from the poor by the temptation for riches.
1 Timothy 6:10 tells us, "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." Hebrews 13:5 declares, "Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." Matthew 6:24 proclaims, "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
Recommended Resource: Gambling and the Lottery by Tony Evans.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:51:38 PM
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Cloak - please post a link to any quotes you take from other sites.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:52:45 PM
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I'm not sure if we're taking this thread in the right direction. The OP didn't ask if GAMBLING is a sin; he asked if playing cards are.
This isn't an official nudge or anything, but perhaps we should get back to what he's asking.
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 9:55:25 PM
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sjd2008
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Ok here is what I found on Christian website:
Why lottery proceeds do not please God: Many people claim to be playing the lottery or gambling so that they can give the money to the church, or to some other good cause. While this may be a good motive, reality is that few use gambling winnings for godly purposes. Studies show that the vast majority of lottery winners are in an even worse financial situation a few years after winning a jackpot than they were before. Few, if any, truly give the money to a good cause. Further, God does not need our money to fund His mission in the world. Proverbs 13:11 says, “Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.” God is sovereign and will provide for the needs of the church through honest means. Would God be honored by receiving donated drug money, or money stolen in a bank robbery? Neither does God need or want money that was "stolen" from the poor by the temptation for riches.
1 Timothy 6:10 tells us, "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." Hebrews 13:5 declares, "Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." Matthew 6:24 proclaims, "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
Recommended Resource: Gambling and the Lottery by Tony Evans.
First, the discussion is about playing cards not playing the lottery. The lottery is a game of chance. Playing cards requires skill. To change your chances of winning in the lottery you need to buy more tickets. To increase your chances of winning at cards requires skill.
Second, you keep on quoting scriptures about the love of money. There are many people who play cards for entertainment. Are they guilty of the sin of greed. When I go to work and expect to get paid for my skills Am I guilty of greed? Let's try this again...
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RE: Are playing cards "evil"? - 3/6/2008 10:13:45 PM
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When it comes to playing cards... there is no sin. When it comes to gambling, we need not look only towards the scriptures that talk about money, but also about stewardship.
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