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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/18/2008 8:52:40 AM
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earthless
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I would stay away..
Noel Jones keeps company with other false teachers and false prophets such as T.D. Jakes (denies the Trinity, is a Oneness Pentecostal), Juanita Bynum, Tommy Tenney,
They like to sometimes call themselves 'Progressive Pentecostals' - but they are nothing more than classic and sometimes Hyper Word of Faith teachers.
A recent sermon I was studying from him has him espousing the error of wanting to receive a "double anointing" - which is odd when the biblical definition, for us 21st century Christians, of anointing is to be born-again, to be saved. So how can he be asking to be doubly saved?
No, what they mean is a twisted view on the Holy Spirit in which they think an "anointing" is something you can get more and more of... to be more of a Christian than the brother next to you in the pew, etc..
It's a running theme in Word of Faith circles. The other day one of the TBN idols was touting that if you sent him a "seed" gift of $1,000 or more.. then he would impart a portion of his anointing unto you.
A lot more could be said but I need some coffee.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/18/2008 9:35:11 AM
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Hold on to your $15 and go to Red Lobster.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/18/2008 3:53:22 PM
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If you don't have a good Bible,
I'd spend the money on that.
"Vow of prosperity," is a term that violates
several scriptures, much less the doctrine.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/19/2008 11:32:36 AM
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Has anyone heard of this book? This book has already come out now and it supposed to be healing the urban "ills."
What do you think about this publication?
This doesn't tell me anything about the book. The title though sounds like it is off but you know the old saying about "Don't judge a book by its cover". ; )
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/19/2008 11:54:53 AM
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Has anyone heard of this book? This book has already come out now and it supposed to be healing the urban "ills."
What do you think about this publication?
This doesn't tell me anything about the book. The title though sounds like it is off but you know the old saying about "Don't judge a book by its cover". ; )
Feel free to judge an author by his unbiblical teachings, though.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/19/2008 12:04:33 PM
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Has anyone heard of this book? This book has already come out now and it supposed to be healing the urban "ills."
What do you think about this publication?
This doesn't tell me anything about the book. The title though sounds like it is off but you know the old saying about "Don't judge a book by its cover". ; )
Feel free to judge an author by his unbiblical teachings, though.
Exactly.. that's enough to know that any writings (published books) from them will not be sound.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/19/2008 1:28:40 PM
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Exactly.. that's enough to know that any writings (published books) from them will not be sound.
I was asked about the book though not the author. ; )
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/19/2008 1:42:07 PM
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c'mon earthless dont place my faith with these money grubbers. i am oneness and dont like their style of preaching. i dont understand what the problem is. i beleive in god-jesus-holyghost,but to me they are one in the same. i think anyone can get as much jesus as i got it is only there for the asking its not up to me to see that u get more that is ur job. mine is only to spread word. u cant be doubly saved but u can receive more of gods blessings if u ask. knock and the door will be opened ask and ye shall receive, u have not because u ask not. thnx yo
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/19/2008 4:06:29 PM
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c'mon earthless dont place my faith with these money grubbers. i am oneness and dont like their style of preaching. i dont understand what the problem is. i beleive in god-jesus-holyghost,but to me they are one in the same. i think anyone can get as much jesus as i got it is only there for the asking its not up to me to see that u get more that is ur job. mine is only to spread word. u cant be doubly saved but u can receive more of gods blessings if u ask. knock and the door will be opened ask and ye shall receive, u have not because u ask not. thnx yo
So you're a Oneness believer? Sorry, but I believe in God and how He has revealed Himself to us in Scripture, as a Tri-unity.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/19/2008 7:09:03 PM
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Gaw!!! I know that the Apostles taught this, don't I?!! Dedicate yourself, instead, to The Lord God.
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Has anyone heard of this book? This book has already come out now and it supposed to be healing the urban "ills."
What do you think about this publication?
More information here.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/19/2008 7:59:44 PM
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I'd be very careful with this one. Consider what the Word says:
But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced thamselves with many griefs. I Timothy 6:6-10
Nuff said!
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/20/2008 12:58:10 AM
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Ha ha! But the book was written by the author.
The author isn't as important as the book. We've all read from Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon yet Solomon was the author.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/20/2008 7:54:00 AM
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Ha ha! But the book was written by the author.
The author isn't as important as the book. We've all read from Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon yet Solomon was the author.
Big difference is that Solomon was writing inspired by God - it was God writing through him.
This prosperity pimp is not.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/20/2008 3:32:16 PM
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What urban problems is it suppose to take care of? The only thing I 've noticed with this book tour that he is doing selling on the christian networks. Is the same thing as last time they were trying to raise money. Yet because we didn't get rich off of tithing to them, then this might help. Because we failed in getting double anointed. This why we are poor and not living in a manison or driving a Bentley.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/20/2008 3:34:35 PM
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Prophetica,
Are you saying his teachings are Scripturally sound? Can you please show us how this is so?
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/20/2008 4:24:52 PM
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I don't think the acquisition of material goods or wealth is wrong, but one's trust is not to be on money or things. We could do a lot of good with money. It's the love of money that the root of evil not money. I do not believe that the massive amount of wealth in this world is supposed to be only enjoyed by heathens. Many of the partiarchs were materially blessed. However, our trust is to be in God and not money. I do not believe we have to take a vow of poverty once we get saved! There are too many scriptures that speak otherwise.
I believe the WoF hyper prosperity is very much abused. I tend to believe that people treat God like He's some "geenie in a lamp." Where I rub Him by sowing a seed into one these ministers. Or they're like the man at the pool of Bethesda...waiting their turn to strike it rich. If you want to be wealthy...get a business or real estate...save your money...practice sound stewardship, ethical business practice...treat your customers/employees right and then maybe you'll make it rich.
But throwing your money in an offering bucket and quoting "magic" scriptures ain't going to cut it. That's my opinion.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/20/2008 8:55:00 PM
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Prophetica,
You keep posting the scripture of judging in a entirely incorrect context. Your passage speaks about judging a man's heart, whether or not a person is saved. Scripture calls us and gives us the examples to be testers (judgers) of teachings and such to see if they are true (align with Scripture).
And the Apostle Paul instructs us to judge our own heart, so you not judging yourself is also an issue.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/20/2008 8:56:38 PM
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Dearest earthless! Please notice that I did not affirm the unsound teaching of this book. Rather, we must also be aware that The Apostle admonshes exactly the opposite of what you have proposed. He says, I do not even judge myself. One thing that I do, straining towards what is ahead... Therefore, I have discerned that you misrepresent the Teachings to some extent as well.
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Prophetica,
You keep posting the scripture of judging in a entirely incorrect context. Your passage speaks about judging a man's heart, whether or not a person is saved. Scripture calls us and gives us the examples to be testers (judgers) of teachings and such to see if they are true (align with Scripture).
And the Apostle Paul instructs us to judge our own heart, so you not judging yourself is also an issue.
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RE: Vow Of Prosperity--New Book - 3/20/2008 8:59:50 PM
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Dearest earthless! Please notice that I did not affirm the unsound teaching of this book.
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Prophetica,
You keep posting the scripture of judging in a entirely incorrect context. Your passage speaks about judging a man's heart, whether or not a person is saved. Scripture calls us and gives us the examples to be testers (judgers) of teachings and such to see if they are true (align with Scripture).
And the Apostle Paul instructs us to judge our own heart, so you not judging yourself is also an issue.
Prophetica,
Please do know that many of us on this board have a really hard time understanding your posts. Many times they seem really spacey and out there. I just wish you would talk to me like you would to your co-worker, or gym buddy.... and not like some King James wanna-be method actor.
Please take that in a loving brotherly manner.
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