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Cephyr13 -> RE: Finding America in Bible Prophecy (4/2/2008 5:21:50 PM)
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Most historians say that dates in the BC era have a 1-3 year ambiguity, so we're never sure if we're quite accurate with the dates in the BC era. The date is likely 553-551 BC, so the author of the book I read uses 552 BC to plug in his date, and it just happens to come out right at 1948 AD
So in the 1st year Belshazzar became King of Babylon, Daniel receieved the vision of the four beasts. And the year you are saying is 552BC plus 2500 years equals 1948- Isreal,, once again on the world map.
There just a few things i can't understand here,,
Why are we starting at Belshazzar ?
Why are we using 2500 years ?
In an earlier post you had described how you had calculated the 2500 days, and the method that you are using to get this date from 552BC - 1948. I think that, by itself is a good find.
However, I get lost in this design of yours when you start the calculating of the 2500days from 552BC, when the times time as mentioned in Dan 7.25 that you are using,, was actually taking place much later with the 4th beast.
So if you could explain this ,, that would be great.
Capture the Dream,
yours In Christ,,
God Bless
You asked this question: "Why are we starting at Belshazzar?"
Because Daniel says at the beginning of that prophecy that it is the first year of Belshazzar King of Babylon. Therefore, if we find the date of Belshazzar's first year as king, then we find the year this prophecy was given in.
You asked this question: "Why are we using 2,500 years?"
Because the prophecy says that the time period over which this will happen will be "time, times and half a time." We must know two things in order to decipher how long this means. We must know how long "time" is, and how much "time, times and half a time" adds up to. Is time 1? Is times also 1, or is it 2? We have to figure this out in order to calculate what "time, times and half a time adds up to." So, here's how we do that:
Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man
perceiveth it not.
Job 40:5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea,
twice; but I will proceed no further.
Psa 62:11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this;
that power belongeth unto God.
Those verses have the same type of saying used by Daniel for "time, times and half a time." They say once, yeah twice. Obviously, from that text, God's saying He spoke once, and then again one more time. Therefore, "once, yeah twice," means 1 + 1, which equals 2 times that God spoke. That means "Time, times and half a time" equals 1 + 1 + 1/2, which equals 2 1/2. So, we have 2 1/2 "times." But now we need to figure out how long a "time" is.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
Now, in the original Greek, the word for "day" in that passage is "hemera." Hemera is only translated "day" when it's used in the phrase "day of the Lord". Otherwise, it's usually translated as "time." The King James translates it 4 times to mean "time." The New American Standard Version translates hemera to 12 times to mean "time." It's safe to say that in 2 Peter 3:8, since it is not being used in the phrase "the Day of the Lord", it's very likely supposed to be translated as "time." Why would the translators make a mistake like this? Because "time" doesn't sound quite right in that sentence. So they use the other translation of the word, which is "day." Then it sounds more correct. But, if you were not aware that Peter was trying to tell the disciples that "time" in Daniel chapters 7 and 12 means one thousand years, then you would probably use "day" as the translation of "hemera" in that passage as well. So, in the original Greek, it would translate out like this:
2 Peter 3:8
But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one "time" is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one "time".
To further back-up what Peter is talking about, let's read the first 2 verses of the chapter:
2 Peter 3:8
1This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder,
2that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles.
He says, "Remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets." Daniel was a holy prophet. He also says to remember the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles, which could easily be the commandment to stay blameless (without sin) till the coming of the Lord so that we do not go naked and ashamed when Jesus comes to rapture us: (Rev 16:15, between the 6th & 7th vials of wrath).
Now, let's see what the context is in 2 Peter 3:8
3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts,
4and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."
5For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
6through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
7But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
So, Peter is trying to convey that it's going to be a LONG time to the end; so long that people will start saying, "Where is the promise of His coming?" The Peter says: "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as SOME count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." This means that while the time period being talked about is long, it's not because God doesn't want to come back and get us. He's just waiting a while, because it's His will that everyone be saved, and so if He waits a long time, then many people will be saved by Jesus in that time period, so He is patient for our sakes.
That means that all of this passage is basically talking about how it's going to be a while before the time of the end comes. And if they will "remember the words of the holy prophets (Daniel)," then they will want to know that "time" equals 1,000 years. If they understood this is what he was telling them, then they could've looked back at Daniel 7 and 12 to "time, times and half a time" and understood he was saying: 2,500 years from the time those prophecies were given will be the beginning of the time of the end. That's how Daniel puts it in Daniel 12's time, times prophecy, regarding the end times. He says all of these prophecies (written in his books, I assume) will be completed. Sure enough, if you figure out all of the numerical prophecies in Daniel, they've all come to pass as of 1967. Those people back then didn't necessarily hear Peter say "with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day." They may have heard him say, "with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and (V)a thousand years like one day." Why? Because they may have known what "time" or "hemera" means in context. We just translated it incorrectly and it's been throwing prophecy buffs off for years. And that sounds about right, because Daniel says that God told him to seal up these prophecies till the time of the end, which started in 1967.
So, time = 1,000.
Time, times = 2,000 or (1 time + 1 time)
Time, times & half a time = 2,500 or (1 time, + 1 time + 1/2 time) or (1,000 + 1,000 + 500 = 2,500)
Write it anyway way you like and it comes out to 2,500. Let me know if you have more questions. Hope I didn't botch that explanation up too badly.
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