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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/22/2008 1:20:50 AM
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Matt Smith
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Clinton - I could vote for her, but don't like her campaign tactics. I don't think they speak to the integrity and leadership I'd want to see in a president.
Obama - I'm a huge fan at the moment. I've never been so excited about a politician. He's thoughtful and smart. He obviously has class. I love the story of how he helped Bill Richardson during one of the debates.
McCain - I can't tell where he stands on anything. I do like how he compared Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan. I like how moderate he is and not beholden to the religious right.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/22/2008 8:52:51 AM
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I'm sorry - don't you mean his races? Plural? He's biracial. As he's said, he's got lots of different pieces of America in him.
It sounds petty and low-class every time you call him names. IMHO it detracts from your credibility and the points you're trying to make.
Matt
Please take it up with me in one of the other threads
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/22/2008 9:48:12 AM
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No on McCain: I don't like his stance on immigration but the absolute deal breaker is his support of the unconstitutional fairness doctrine. I cannot abide someone who's that ok with making laws that would inhibit free speech.
No on Clinton: Been there, seen that, want to move on now.
Yes on Obama: I like him on health care and I want to see an erudite person as President. Someone who's a statesman and is willing to use diplomacy rather than threats of military action.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/22/2008 10:44:33 AM
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dinomax55
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As for me, I'm leaning toward Obama. He seems like the best choice out of the three for me, especially in the wake of his handling of the past week's events. He showed class and restraint in dealing with the attacks on him. I don't see him as a black liberation- type; the fact that he is biracial and close to 'white' side of his family would seem to preclude any notion that he is a hate-monger. It seems that some are desperate to label him in a negative light, so they resort to petty name-calling and personal attacks as seen about these very 'Christian' forums.. Nevertheless, I am curious as to how he will implement is plans, because there are plenty of lobbyists who will fight tooth and nail, especially regarding health care.. and I'm not 100% sold on the effectiveness of his tax plan.
I like McCain somewhat, but I disagree with his belief that the situation in Iraq should be continued.. Is he willing to commit more to diplomacy in the Middle East? And what plan does he have to help the economy, especially in light of foreclosure crisis? And can he connect to younger voters?
I'm definitely not for Clinton.. she claims to have a lot of experience, but yet the only elected office she has held is the current Senate seat.. I don't believe that her time as First Lady counts, as she never made any policy decisions.. being 'privy to' decision- making is not the same as setting policy for an entire country. So she has 4 more years of 'experience' than Obama, and besides that, does she really want to renegotiate NAFTA? and what is her education plan?
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/22/2008 11:22:57 AM
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I have typically voted republican (in every presidential election except Bush's 2nd try). However, I personally prefer Obama to the other candidates, because:
1) I agree with his stance on IRAQ/military. At the rally I attended, he voiced strong support for military personnel and the need to care for them in a way that they have not been- with proper pay, medical attentions, and leave/rotations and proper equipment/support; he proposed a controlled departure from IRAQ and voiced his opinion, which I share, that we should never have been there.
2) I agree with his stance on abortion. At the rally I went to he stated (when questioned by a very militant "reproductive rights" advocate, "I believe every abortion, on some level, is a tragedy..." and his stance was that we should try to decrease the need (though education & health care) and make alternatives (adoption, etc) more accesible. I personally HATE abortion (as a woman who was pregnant as a teen and kept my child) but I do not think the legislation is the way to end it.
3) I like his ideas for a more "transparent" government, where the general public will be able to see where govt grant money is going and how it is being used.
4) He seems to say what he believes and sticks with that- unlike many others who say what you want to hear and change with the political winds... He answered questions several times at the rally I attended with, "No, we won't be able to do that; but I understand your problem and here is what I can tell you..."
4) I like his health care package. It will be available for everyone, but not required of anyone.
5) I like his idea of cutting the banks out of the federal student loan program.
6) I do disagree with him on some economic issues, esp raising the min wage yearly.
McCain: I have a lot of respect for him as a person, but disagree with his stance on IRAQ. He doesn't seem to have a single originial idea. He doesn't seem to be working hard to campaign... I'm am interested to see how his campaign changes after the primaries. I think he has the attitude of "I will either be running against a black man or a woman- either way, I can't lose."
Clinton: I think she has too many questionable dealings in the past. She also seems to set to a personal agenda, rather than listening to others and thinking things through. And I didn't liek the crying. It seemed disingenuous and like she just wanted to show everyone she has a feminine side (since she was losing female votes to Obama). Which to me was insulting. A woman can be stable enough and professional enough to not cry in public!
I think a lot of the Obama controversies have been stirred up by her staff, and that gives me a bad feeling of under-handed practices. BUT IMO, if the worst dirt they can find is that his church is controversial and his name sounds funny... that gives me more respect for Obama!
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/24/2008 9:43:20 PM
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Nikos777
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Obama? Absolutely not. Too liberal! The worst of the bunch!
Hillary? No way!
McCain? Never!
Well guess I'm not voting.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/24/2008 9:44:55 PM
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jkdjr25
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Obama? Absolutely not. Too liberal! The worst of the bunch!
Hillary? No way!
McCain? Never!
Well guess I'm not voting.
You do realize that there are third party candidates right?
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/25/2008 12:48:45 PM
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I have typically voted republican (in every presidential election except Bush's 2nd try). However, I personally prefer Obama to the other candidates, because:
1) I agree with his stance on IRAQ/military. At the rally I attended, he voiced strong support for military personnel and the need to care for them in a way that they have not been- with proper pay, medical attentions, and leave/rotations and proper equipment/support; he proposed a controlled departure from IRAQ and voiced his opinion, which I share, that we should never have been there.
2) I agree with his stance on abortion. At the rally I went to he stated (when questioned by a very militant "reproductive rights" advocate, "I believe every abortion, on some level, is a tragedy..." and his stance was that we should try to decrease the need (though education & health care) and make alternatives (adoption, etc) more accesible. I personally HATE abortion (as a woman who was pregnant as a teen and kept my child) but I do not think the legislation is the way to end it.
3) I like his ideas for a more "transparent" government, where the general public will be able to see where govt grant money is going and how it is being used.
4) He seems to say what he believes and sticks with that- unlike many others who say what you want to hear and change with the political winds... He answered questions several times at the rally I attended with, "No, we won't be able to do that; but I understand your problem and here is what I can tell you..."
4) I like his health care package. It will be available for everyone, but not required of anyone.
5) I like his idea of cutting the banks out of the federal student loan program.
6) I do disagree with him on some economic issues, esp raising the min wage yearly.
McCain: I have a lot of respect for him as a person, but disagree with his stance on IRAQ. He doesn't seem to have a single originial idea. He doesn't seem to be working hard to campaign... I'm am interested to see how his campaign changes after the primaries. I think he has the attitude of "I will either be running against a black man or a woman- either way, I can't lose."
Clinton: I think she has too many questionable dealings in the past. She also seems to set to a personal agenda, rather than listening to others and thinking things through. And I didn't liek the crying. It seemed disingenuous and like she just wanted to show everyone she has a feminine side (since she was losing female votes to Obama). Which to me was insulting. A woman can be stable enough and professional enough to not cry in public!
I think a lot of the Obama controversies have been stirred up by her staff, and that gives me a bad feeling of under-handed practices. BUT IMO, if the worst dirt they can find is that his church is controversial and his name sounds funny... that gives me more respect for Obama!
Tara P
Obama and abortion:
There is nothing so mean, so vicious, so nasty done in the name of abortion that Obama has not defended it. He believes in giving money to organizations to abort the poor. He believes it should be legal to stab a baby in the skull and suck her brains out. And if a child accidentally slips out, he believes in denying her medical care, or at least not mandating it.
Jill Stanek, a nurse in Obama's home state of Illinois, exposed the practice of setting abortion survivors on shelves. They were denied human compassion and left to gasp, turn blue and suffocate. When the Illinois legislature proposed requiring medical care to these babies, Obama had multiple votes. Sometimes he cast no vote, sometimes he voted no. At no time did he ever vote yes.
If you believe in abortion at any time, for any reason or no reason, no matter how brutal, paid for by our tax money, then Obama is your man.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/25/2008 7:16:03 PM
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mapachito13
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I will be holding my nose and voting for McCain, for some of the same reason Ben mentioned.
I cannot in good conscience vote for Clinton or Obama, because they each
support abortion
support socialized medicine
support gun control
Oppose winning the war in Iraq
And I believe they both plan to raise taxes.
And McCain will be forced to raise taxes in order to pay for the war which will last another four years if he's elected and eight if he's re-elected! Five years later and Baghdad is still a killing zone. People say how the country will collapse if we leave. Why do we have to send our men and women to die to keep a foreign country together? If we had to invade a country, why wasn't it one of the axis of evil?
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/26/2008 11:35:59 AM
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EStan
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I will be holding my nose and voting for McCain, for some of the same reason Ben mentioned.
I cannot in good conscience vote for Clinton or Obama, because they each
support abortion
support socialized medicine
support gun control
Oppose winning the war in Iraq
And I believe they both plan to raise taxes.
And McCain will be forced to raise taxes in order to pay for the war which will last another four years if he's elected and eight if he's re-elected! Five years later and Baghdad is still a killing zone. People say how the country will collapse if we leave. Why do we have to send our men and women to die to keep a foreign country together? If we had to invade a country, why wasn't it one of the axis of evil?
Tom asked for candidate(s) of choice, and why. No arguing in this thread.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/26/2008 12:22:58 PM
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rcjames
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Obama, reasons not to - Race hustler, poverty pimp who puts his race ahead of beng an American.
I'm sorry - don't you mean his races? Plural? He's biracial. As he's said, he's got lots of different pieces of America in him.
It sounds petty and low-class every time you call him names. IMHO it detracts from your credibility and the points you're trying to make.
Matt
To avoid all the confusion about what Obama is why don't we just call him what he is; a Mullato.
Thanks
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/26/2008 12:27:42 PM
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jkdjr25
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Obama, reasons not to - Race hustler, poverty pimp who puts his race ahead of beng an American.
I'm sorry - don't you mean his races? Plural? He's biracial. As he's said, he's got lots of different pieces of America in him.
It sounds petty and low-class every time you call him names. IMHO it detracts from your credibility and the points you're trying to make.
Matt
To avoid all the confusion about what Obama is why don't we just call him what he is; a Mullato.
Thanks
RC
Better yet. Why not just call him a person?
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 3/26/2008 1:15:35 PM
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rcjames
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Better yet. Why not just call him a person?
That would probably be best, but Obama is the one who keeps bringing up his race, so I request that he call himself what he is; a Mullato. Or just leave the race totally out of it.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 4/21/2008 11:15:25 AM
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I'm 100% prolife and McCain "claims" to be prolife so this is the only reason I'm voting for him.BUT I DONT LIKE HIM and I DON"T TRUST HIM.A vote for Hillary is a vote for communism.Obama,oh Lord help us.However,I'd rather have Obama than Hillary ANY DAY.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 4/21/2008 12:20:32 PM
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jkdjr25
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I'm 100% prolife and McCain "claims" to be prolife so this is the only reason I'm voting for him.BUT I DONT LIKE HIM and I DON"T TRUST HIM.A vote for Hillary is a vote for communism.Obama,oh Lord help us.However,I'd rather have Obama than Hillary ANY DAY.
If you don't like McCain I'd suggest looking into the third party and independent candidates. There are more people running for President than just the republicans and democrats after all.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 4/21/2008 12:48:46 PM
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Yup nothing at all racist going on here.
You are correct. There is nothing racist about using the proper term for a person of mixed race.
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The fact of the matter is that under the law there is no such thing as "mulatto". Legally there's only black, white, latino, asian, etc. So constantly demanding that he call himself something that the law doesn't recognize is just a little asinine.
Are you saying that only people of "pure race" are recognized by the law?
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 4/21/2008 1:07:49 PM
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jkdjr25
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Yup nothing at all racist going on here.
You are correct. There is nothing racist about using the proper term for a person of mixed race.
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The fact of the matter is that under the law there is no such thing as "mulatto". Legally there's only black, white, latino, asian, etc. So constantly demanding that he call himself something that the law doesn't recognize is just a little asinine.
Are you saying that only people of "pure race" are recognized by the law?
Sorry not falling for that one. Nice try though
No one is "pure" anything. We've ALL got mixed heritage at some level. It's just that for some reason there's not much legal definition for a peron of mixed race (which is an unbelievablly stupid term at any rate). Legally a person is defined as only falling into certain categories. If you want to change that, run for office.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 4/21/2008 3:57:04 PM
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I went to school with a guy from Louisiana, deep back in the bayou. Now I don't know if it's just endemic to that state, but he told me that (unofficial) racial classifications there break down into white, black, mulatto, redbone, octaroon, and a couple of others I can't recall.
In other words, from where my friend hailed, everbody knows these terms. When I asked him what he was, he just grinned. "I'm a Cajun. Probably a little bit of everything."
All that to say, voting solely based on a man's or woman's skin color is bunk. Because unless one is an albino, we're all some shade of brown.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 4/21/2008 4:34:20 PM
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Obama? Never, ever...thinnest resume for president ever, highest compliment I could think of would be to call him a leftist (even further left, that is) Bush.
Hillary? Only as a last ditch alternative to Obama. I think Hillary would be bad for the country, but, out of her own self interest, I don't think she could unleash nearly the damage that Obama would.
McCain? Only because there are simply no other viable alternatives. Luckily, he probably only has one term in him. Not terribly trustworthy on judges but should be vastly better than the Ginsburg-caliber judges Hill and O would put up.
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RE: Clinton, McCain or Obama - 4/21/2008 6:17:47 PM
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McCain for lack of a better choice.
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