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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 3/31/2008 7:50:42 PM
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By including popularity in your music icon test, you would be leaving out quite a few bands that weren't popular during that time period...but achieved success decades later.
Good point. Perhaps some underground artists will become icons later. I'm a history teacher though so part of my lament of kids not knowing about Elvis or The Beatles is that they won't understand their impact on American / western culture. So maybe I'm looking at it more in the light of social icons who got their social import (if that term makes sense) by the music they created (or in the case of Elvis performed).
Here's an example of the importance of social import to me: when I wanted to add something by Robert Johnson (the great bluesman for those who haven't heard of him) I specifically chose "King of the Delta Blue Singers" because it was the CD version of the record album released in 1960 (or so) as an introduction to his music (and a way to cash in on all those people who collected his 78s). In this way not only am I listening to a great bluesman, I'm being introduced to his music in the same way many were introduced to it in the 60s. Same songs, same order (aside from a bonus track at the end). And I will admit he gained in stature after he died.
Only the future knows for sure. I just can't see many artists of today standing out in generations to come. At least not the way they did in the past.
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Club rap's lyrics are irrelevant to them, it's mostly about coming up with catchy synths and a decent beat. Then have the one or two repetitive lyrics.
And as long as it stays that way the genre will continue to stagnate. Lyrics do matter. Especially to me, the one big barrier between me and Hip Hop is the asinine lyrics. And the plethora of influential artists from the past I have yet to experience. Maybe I'm just on a nostalgia kick.
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On a side note...have you ever noticed that a camera can't be near Bono without him sticking his face in it and tilting his head
LOL. He'll make sure we remember him.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 3/31/2008 11:07:27 PM
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I'm completely with you on club rap. But it won't stay that way forever. It is taking its sweet time with change though. Aesop Rock was featured on MTV for a week a few months ago. His lyrics have always impressed me, even if his albums sometimes fall short. There was another one with good lyrics featured sometime in the past month or two, but I can't remember who it was off the top of my head. It is a little bit of comfort that MTV are now featuring different bands/artists every week, a lot of them aren't mainstream. That doesn't mean they're playing their videos all the time, but they feature them performing or just playing their album in between shows and commercial breaks for a full week. This week was an electroclash woman named Yelle.
If there's anything this decade has proven in the world of music, it's that the influences will be heard. There have been so many minor trends from sub-genres of past, it's been an interesting decade. You had new wave make a come back a few years ago, then disco for a brief moment. Now there's the minor trend of retro female singers. Duffy, Amy Winehouse, and the best one, Sharon Jones, as a few more mainstream examples. Even though a lot of teens at the moment don't know who influenced them, at least their music is living on through others.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/1/2008 12:44:06 AM
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Enjoyable conversation. I, too, often wonder what will become of music and which direction it will go next.
My 'guilty pleasure' would be Harry Connick Jr. Blue Light/Red Light will always be one of my absolute favorite albums of all time. As I sat here thinking about why, and why I like other certain music I like, the best answer I could come up with is: memories. Quite simply, I have really good memories of life that were happening while I enjoyed this album for the first time. I think that music heard in youth definitely makes more of an impression on a person than music heard later in life, but overall it is still about memories.
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I listened to Blue Light/Red Light when I was 15 or 16, during a family road trip from Colorado to Mesa Verde, to Utah, where we houseboated for a week on Lake Powell with another family from church. Every time I hear this album, I just get that peaceful carefree feeling I had as we drove through those lovely summer days and nights and slept under the moon on the lake.
When I was growing up, we used to go visit my grandma who lived in a small farm town in the northeastern plains of Colorado. The summer evenings were just hot enough, and it was so peaceful and relaxing to sit on my grandma's back porch drinking extra-lemon iced sweet tea with the cicadas buzzing away in the big elm trees. She would always have Englebert Humperdink, Tom Jones, Julio Iglesias, and Dean Martin playing on her old record player, and I still absolutely love listening to these albums to this day (on my ipod right now!), no matter how cheesy most people find them.
I could go on and on, but sadly, I can't come up with much music that I listened to after I was, say, 20 years old, that hits me the same way as the music I listened to in my youth. I go through likes and dislikes, but nothing makes the emotional impact like it used to.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/1/2008 1:32:48 PM
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I could go on and on, but sadly, I can't come up with much music that I listened to after I was, say, 20 years old, that hits me the same way as the music I listened to in my youth. I go through likes and dislikes, but nothing makes the emotional impact like it used to.
I think for a lot of us, it may not even be the quality of the music, but just that the music we listened to in our more carefree days is what is close to our hearts. So I would not be surprised if the youth of today, in 20 years, do still want to listen to Britney Spears and that kind of music. I think it takes us back to what we now think of as a "better time" or "the good old days". A couple nights ago, I watched two Carman videos on you tube that were from the '80s and that sure brought back fond memories. Not just of Carman but of other stuff from then. I highly doubt that people will be listening to Carman music in 100 years though! And I kind of wonder if they will even be listening to Elvis and the Beatles, but maybe I will be wrong. I doubt I will be around to care.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/1/2008 1:50:02 PM
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Aesop Rock was featured on MTV for a week a few months ago. His lyrics have always impressed me,
One mainstream, hip hop / rock band that impressed me is Flipsyde (or is it Flypside?). They use the jargon (cussing and such) but they're making a point. Even if I don't agree with their social views they are very well presented. Everyone should hear their song "Happy Birthday" at least once. when you hear it, you'll understand.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/1/2008 1:52:33 PM
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So I would not be surprised if the youth of today, in 20 years, do still want to listen to Britney Spears and that kind of music.
Perhaps but it'll be considered a "guilty pleasure" instead of "revolutionary" or "classic". And nobody will discuss the influence she has had on music (except to laugh and say none).
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/3/2008 9:17:39 PM
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Have any of you Neil Diamond fans heard his last album, 12 Songs? I think it definitely moves out of the guilty pleasure zone. It reminds me so much of Leonard Cohen, which is just wonderful.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/4/2008 11:41:07 AM
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[hanging her head in serious shame]Panic at the Disco and Fall Out Boy. I know, I know... truly something worthy of guilt! I've never bought any of their albums, but I sure do enjoy hearing them on the radio.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/4/2008 11:53:48 AM
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Panic at the Disco and Fall Out Boy Two of my 16 year old niece's favorite bands. When I listened to them I realized I'm getting old.  Not impressed at all, although her #1 band, Greenday, is decent.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/4/2008 1:09:15 PM
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"Nickelback's"
Rockstar . . .. . a guilty pleasure and Red Hot Chili Pepper's "Dani California."
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/4/2008 10:27:00 PM
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"Nickelback's"
Rockstar . . .. . a guilty pleasure and Red Hot Chili Pepper's "Dani California."
Nickelback is guilty but the Chilli Peppers are amazing. No shame there.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 4:57:58 AM
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Guns N' Roses, hands down, my #1 guilty pleasure. Drove to Vegas and back to see them back in '06.
Suicidal Tendencies is a close second, tied with Oingo Boingo.
And -much less guilty- I still LOVE Julian Lennon's Valotte album, Hooked On Classics, and the Cats soundtrack.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 5:15:00 AM
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Nickelback is guilty
And are sentenced to a year of listening to nothing but Britney Spears and Spice Girls music so they will understand the pain they have inflicted on the rest of us. 
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 5:16:26 AM
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Guns N' Roses, hands down, my #1 guilty pleasure. Drove to Vegas and back to see them back in '06.
Suicidal Tendencies is a close second, tied with Oingo Boingo.
Two of these are very respectable bands whereas one is a guilty pleasure. Can you figure out which one?
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 9:08:04 AM
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Well, since we all know that Oingo Boingo is one of the greatest bands ever... 
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 1:37:52 PM
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Guns N' Roses, hands down, my #1 guilty pleasure. Drove to Vegas and back to see them back in '06.
Suicidal Tendencies is a close second, tied with Oingo Boingo.
And -much less guilty- I still LOVE Julian Lennon's Valotte album, Hooked On Classics, and the Cats soundtrack.
I'm starting to wonder what is going on with this board. People have been listing some tremendously respected and influential bands as guilty pleasures.
GnR, Suicidal, Oingo Boingo. All great bands. Influential in their genres and still producing (except Guns) great music. Mike Muir from ST is on the new POD record and Danny Elfman scores virtually every film that comes out anymore.
Here's a list of bands people on this thread think are guilty pleasures:
The Beatles
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Pink Floyd
AC/DC
The Cars
Depeche Mode
ABBA
Elton John
Rage Against the Machine
KISS
How are any of these guilty pleasures?
Floyd and the Beatles are routinely listed as some of the best bands of all time.
AC/DC as well.
SRV is often listed as one of the greatest guitar players in history.
ABBA is one of the top selling bands on a global scale.
KISS is so popular that they market a KISS Coffin. I'm being serious.
Who on earth doesn't like "Tiny Dancer"?
I don't get it.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 4:05:10 PM
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ABBA is cliché 70's, and with the exception of Dancing Queen, hardly if ever gets played on the radio anymore.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 7:09:09 PM
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ABBA is cliché 70's, and with the exception of Dancing Queen, hardly if ever gets played on the radio anymore.
From Wikipedia:
They remain a fixture of radio playlists and are one of the world's best selling bands, having sold more than 370 million records world wide; they still sell two to three million records a year.
In April 1999, the Mamma Mia! musical opened in London, and soon premièred in cities worldwide to huge success.
In 2000 ABBA were reported to have turned down an offer of approximately US$1,000,000,000 (one billion US dollars) to do a reunion tour consisting of 100 concerts.
With Mamma Mia!'s huge success worldwide, and the forthcoming film starring Meryl Streep and Pierce Brosnan, there is a huge interest in ABBA's music. However, in a November 2004 interview with the German magazine Bunte, Ulvaeus said a reunion would not satisfy ABBA's many fans, even though there are legions of them around the world often clamoring for one.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 9:44:15 PM
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They will in the US remain a guilty pleasure. If other songs are being played in the US, I would like to know which ones and stations as well.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 9:49:01 PM
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I've already alluded to it but since the question: "what the heck are these bands doing here?" I'll state it bluntly: I think some didn't understand what a "guilty pleasure" is. Some thought guilty meant to feel guilty about the lyrical content. Makes sense actually, guilty pleasure is a misnomer here. It's more like an embarassing pleasure (if others found out you like whatever).
I also think some simply didn't read the original topic or forgot about it before they responded. They saw an artist and it reminded them of a personal favorite so they posted.
I think others were thinking stuff like "Abba is considered a guilty pleasure" or somesuch even though they don't see it that way. So they responded from the perspective of what artists are usually considered guilty pleasures as opposed to what they thought was a guilty pleasure.
And some consider certain artists guilty pleasures that we don't.
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KISS is so popular that they market a KISS Coffin. I'm being serious.
Britney's merchandise sells well too. Doesn't make her a musical genius. I respect Kiss, don't consider them cheesy or whatever but I do have to wonder how long lasting, influential or popular they would have been solely based on their music. It was quality hard rock no doubt but was their music revolutionary?
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ABBA is one of the top selling bands on a global scale.
Ordinarily I wouldn't consider this evidence of an artist's merit but ABBA was a pop band and their popularity has endured for 35 years. It says something about their ability to create memorable pop that has stood the test of time as well as their ability to connect with their audience. Definitely worthy of respect.
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Who on earth doesn't like "Tiny Dancer"?
I like it. You would have to admit that if someone was primarily exposed to Elton John's late 80s and onward output they could be forgiven for thinking of him as a guilty pleasure. I personally think the older stuff is much better. The newer stuff has merit (I suppose, LOL it does) but I don't think he'll be remembered 30 years from now for "Can You Feel the Love Tonight?" again, I'm not saying Elton John is unworthy (even late 80s and on) but his 70s stuff is what will be remembered and worthy of great respect.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 9:53:57 PM
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This thread is dedicated to those musicians/bands most people would see as terrible. Who's your guilty pleasure?
Mine is probably ABBA. That's a ridiculous one. But if you play Take a Chance On Me, you're going to see me dancing! And I'm in my 20's! Absurd.
I will add Brittany Spears to the list.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 9:55:15 PM
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They will in the US remain a guilty pleasure. If other songs are being played in the US, I would like to know which ones and stations as well.
I would guess "Knowing Me, Knowing You" and "Take a Chance on Me". Maybe "Mamma Mia", "Fernando" and "SOS" also. I own CDs therefore I don't really listen to classic pop / rock radio but I think I've heard some songs while scanning the dial. Can't say which stations though.
Just curious: how can something be a guilty pleasure in the US but not in Europe? I would think its either artistically respectable or it is not. I suspect you're commenting on the overall attitude in the US toward them and you may be right. Of course those things change all the time as what is scorned today will become misunderstood genius tomorrow.
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 9:57:29 PM
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RE: Guilty Pleasures? - 4/5/2008 10:53:19 PM
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The Bee Gees.
Some 80's music as well.
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