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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/1/2008 9:14:38 PM
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denbert
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Sure, why not?
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/1/2008 10:37:51 PM
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But it isn't just what you can write, it's the font you write with.
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/2/2008 1:53:10 PM
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I'm behind the times on posting, too. Any way: I can't see where knowledge of music should be a player. Sabbath and music should be for the man--and woman...pragmatic...simple. I've seen where an emphasis on melody that to some degree accomodates men's range does have a dramatic effect on male singing participation. I'd prefer that squeaky, off-key version to the polished brand that leaves men in the wake of wafting sounds.
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/2/2008 7:27:52 PM
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It certainly can be. Especially if it's a woman pastor. I visited a church with a woman pastor one time. The men there didn't seem manly at all. I know of this one (male) pastor who's mannerisms is almost like that of an effeminite homosexual. It can be quite laughable sometimes.
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/5/2008 10:35:57 AM
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It certainly can be. Especially if it's a woman pastor. I visited a church with a woman pastor one time. The men there didn't seem manly at all. I know of this one (male) pastor who's mannerisms is almost like that of an effeminite homosexual. It can be quite laughable sometimes.
Ever watch Joel Osteen on TV with the sound off? It gives me the creeps to watch his mannerisms!
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/5/2008 6:03:12 PM
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I just wanted to comment on the music. I have a hard time singing on key with todays modern music. Most of it is in a key that is too high for me. Even half of the popular Christian male singers sounds like women (IMO). Hymns on the other hand, I can usually sing bass or baritone. Also, todays music is much more emotional and figurative compared to hymns which are more logical and literal (again IMO).
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/5/2008 8:39:04 PM
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Good points, Beanteaser. Maybe we need a promo for at least one Sunday a year: "Sing it like you man it". Honestly, I think a lot of folks would get the point if we sang, for a least one service, at the range men can achieve. Doubtless, many women (much less worship leaders) would get the point. After that? How about some type of gender-balance, just like some like to obtain "blended worship" or a balanced ethnic style. Hmm, sounds like a pitch for political correctness. But maybe that just illustrates how slantedly high-pitched the music has gotten.
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/5/2008 8:44:03 PM
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Well, I suppose one more turn of the C-clamp would raise us up half an octave.
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/6/2008 1:15:39 PM
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I just wanted to comment on the music. I have a hard time singing on key with todays modern music. Most of it is in a key that is too high for me. Even half of the popular Christian male singers sounds like women (IMO). Hymns on the other hand, I can usually sing bass or baritone. Also, todays music is much more emotional and figurative compared to hymns which are more logical and literal (again IMO).
Agreed...
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/12/2008 10:26:14 PM
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... I wholeheartedly agree.
Modern music is written mostly for emotional impact therefore the tune and notes are twisty and written for solo or small group performances. Most of them were not written for congregational singing.
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/14/2008 5:24:30 PM
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I never thought about it...worship music is to bring us into the presence of God..so I don't see it as either masculine or feminine...flowers..well flowers really aren't just for women...and they make the sanctuary look nice so they don't bother me...
our leadership ratio is prob 60/30 male so I'm not seeing that as a problem either.
I've never had a female pastor so can't comment on that one..but the female speakers I have heard were very good speakers with the exception of one or two...so I guess I've been sheltered or something.
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/15/2008 1:34:10 PM
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I never thought about it...worship music is to bring us into the presence of God..
Music does not “bring us into the presence of God”. You won’t find that anywhere in Scripture.
Ps 19:7-8
7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
Ps 56:4
4 In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.
Ps 56:10
10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.
Ps 119:27
27 Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works.
Ps 138:2
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Please meditate on these few Scriptures (as there are so many more that say the same message).
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
and..
"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/15/2008 5:48:23 PM
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notmycity
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..... Music can be an expression of worship, but that is all. IMO, modern worship is more figurative and emotional which seems to cater toward women. That is one reason why the female population is so much higher in church.
Exactly. Well-said.
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"I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts." Psalm 119:63
and..
"For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come." Heb 13:14 = "notmycity"
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/16/2008 8:41:16 PM
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Music does not “bring us into the presence of God”. You won’t find that anywhere in Scripture.
"I in them, they in Me". Music makes the mind aware of what Jesus says about our relationship with Him. The presence/relationship exists. The shift of mind, a "bringing" of sorts.
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/16/2008 9:44:52 PM
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buckifn
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Just wondering what the other 10% could be.
like sheep that are astray..nobody knows where the last 10 are.:)
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RE: Is church too feminine? - 5/16/2008 11:18:11 PM
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Beanteaser
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Music does not “bring us into the presence of God”. You won’t find that anywhere in Scripture.
"I in them, they in Me". Music makes the mind aware of what Jesus says about our relationship with Him. The presence/relationship exists. The shift of mind, a "bringing" of sorts.
Quaz
Worship is so much more than music that "brings." It has to be a lifestyle, otherwise it isn't worship.
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