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linkin park - 3/30/2008 7:24:23 PM
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Leslie35
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Have you ever heard their music? My son put a cd that had some of thier music on it. They are really good at least the 2 songs I heard. He also had someone called Buckcherry on there singing about he was sorry.
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RE: linkin park - 3/30/2008 8:47:03 PM
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I have Linkin Park's first two CDs. I've heard a little about Buckcherry. Buckcherry is somewhat of a modern take on a glam metal band, complete with all the sleaze and dirt you might expect with some more piled on to keep up with our ever lowering bar for decorum. The song you heard might have been the token sensitive ballad required in all glam metal releases. Linkin Park deals with the angst of living. Unlike many in the modern rock game their first two CDs had no profanity (but the latest one does). Their lyrics aren't especially deep but at least they aren't into sex & sleaze like the Buckcherry boys.
My response is based on the assumption I made from reading your post that you wanted to know about their lyrics and stuff.
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RE: linkin park - 3/30/2008 11:05:42 PM
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The bass player in LP used to be in Tasty Snax.
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RE: linkin park - 3/31/2008 12:53:59 PM
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Linkin Park is one of my favorite secular bands. They have a lot of good songs. I've never heard of Buckcherry.
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RE: linkin park - 4/1/2008 9:56:09 PM
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Ah Linkin Park, the ever commercial nu-metal for the masses. Well, I can't say that I hate them or like them overly, but you're not asking about musical styles, so I won't rant about that. The lyrics of Hybrid Theory and Meteora were, well, typical teenage angst, emo-ridden words with alternation between clean and screamed vocal delieveries. Nothing is particularly uplifting nor evil, a relatively neutral band. Some songs, like Runaway, are just borderline of parental tolerance at times, but most of it's as innoffensive as music can get. Their latest album, Minutes to Midnight, however, is a complete 180. The whole style has changed to a more alt rock persuasion, definitely cutting down on most of the abrasive qualities found in Hybrid Theory and barely left alive in Meteora. Also, the profanity that actually is in it makes me laugh. They're trying to change their image away from the radio-friendly nu-metal they've been playing, or at least as much as the record label will allow. And the profanity is tacked on at best. It's almost like they wrote the song and then randomly placed their finger on a spot to drop some here or there. There are maybe four songs that not only stay true to their old formula (No More Sorrow, What I've Done, Bleed It Out, Given Up) and actually improve on it. A full have of them have the afterfore mentioned ridiculous profanity. So, this is probably not the album to buy if your son is a fan of their past works. There's always iTunes and the like. As to the past two albums, some of it's kinda angry, I guess, but nothing that should offend the sensibilities of most Christians. Of course, this is coming from a fan of extreme metal, so it might be best to go to a lyrics website and make that evaluation yourself.
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RE: linkin park - 4/1/2008 10:23:07 PM
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Listen to Demon Hunter instead. Or Kutless.
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RE: linkin park - 4/1/2008 10:44:00 PM
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Listen to Demon Hunter instead. Or Kutless.
Demon Hunter, eh? Not exactly a Linkin Park-esque band. They are, however, the home to some of my favorite and least favorite songs of all time. It's like listening to Hatebreed and Kutless sort of alternating back and forth, like they're playing at the same time.
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RE: linkin park - 4/2/2008 12:59:59 AM
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Listen to Demon Hunter instead. Or Kutless.
Demon Hunter, eh? Not exactly a Linkin Park-esque band. They are, however, the home to some of my favorite and least favorite songs of all time. It's like listening to Hatebreed and Kutless sort of alternating back and forth, like they're playing at the same time.
Was just going off your nu-metal reference...never really heard Linkin Park. And what says nu-metal in Christian music more than Demon Hunter, right? Actually, from what I've heard other people say, I always thought Linkin Park was in the Korn/POD style circle. *shrug*
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RE: linkin park - 4/2/2008 12:45:50 PM
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Jack has so many christian rock band plus the rap cd's that I could not name them all. I have gotten some wonderful advice from people on here and IRL that Jack is just branching out a bit. I was totally against secular music for a few years but decided to take the advice I got and let him listen to secular as well.
Any worries about Jack turning his back on his faith her put out when he told his Gf's father what he believes and has even quoted scripture to his GF.
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RE: linkin park - 4/4/2008 8:35:48 PM
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I listen to it because the sound is different, and believe it or not, the lyrics can be good.
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RE: linkin park - 4/4/2008 8:46:47 PM
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Thank you, I agree, a large majority of the groups the boys have interest in, DO have good lyrics. And your right, it IS different. . . Pls don't miss my last two final thought/questions. 
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RE: linkin park - 4/5/2008 6:21:32 AM
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Arn't we in all things to be to be focusing on things that are pure, just, and lovely etc., as well as joyful and God honorning?
The Scripture says that yes. However, Jesus "gets discouraged" (for lack of a better term) with his disciples and the lack of faith in general around him often. His prayer in the garden of Gethsemane (sp?) is far more anguished than any screamo song, and with good reason. Paul falls into bouts of melancholy & discouragement many times in his letters. Let's not forget Ecclesastes (I know I butchered that one), Lamentations and many of the Psalms.
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I find in the written lyrics, the focus tends to be on the 'cup 1/2 empty' mindset rather than the blessings of the 'cup 1/2 full'.
Human nature, we tend to focus on the bad. A very good survival mechanism. Also, negative emotional experiences tend to produce great art (praise & worship songs are an exception but even some of those are birthed from negative emotional experiences). Music (creating or enjoying) is a way of dealing with the pain and letting it out. Most people want to keep joy whenever they get it.
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How do you think parents should view this type of music?
Depends. First and foremost on the kid. Some kids (adults too but the question was asked from a parent's perspective) use music to work through periods of emotional distress. Emotional distress comes up in everyone's life, especially teenagers whose emotions are still developing, who have not experiened the stuff adults have and are surrounded by hundreds of people at school who also have developing emotions and a lack of life experience. The worst thing one can do with emotional distress is to ignore it.
Then again, sometimes the negative music can feed into the feelings of negativity and allow them to fester and create emotional scarring. If one feels that their child is too negative or depressed and therefore are concerned about their emotional well being may want to limit depressing music (and other forms of media) as part of an overall strategy to help stop the downward spiral.
BTW: I personally do not believe that it is desirable for everyone to be happy, shiny people. God created some people like that and thank God for 'em (as they cheer the rest of us up) but I believe some of us are not built or intended to be happy all the time. Pain, physical or emotional or spiritual, tells us that something is wrong (like my hand is burning on this hot stove) and there is plenty wrong in this world and quite frankly it is fully appropriate for our spirits to cry out in angush sometimes, as we look at the world around us and as we turn our gaze inward as well. The Scripture also says "A sad face is good for the heart".
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Do you think that the tendecy to leave Christian lyrical screamo to secular is something to be concerned about?
I assume you mean Christian Screamo bands becoming part of the mainstream secular market. Again it depends but I think in general its not a concern unless the lyrics change into someting you as a Christian cannot support. I think the line is blurring between CCM & secular music anyway. There are more bands whose members are Christians rather than Christian bands and I like the trend. Its more honest that way (as none of us feel holy all the time and music is a self expressive form of art) and I think its a better way of planting seeds although I will admit that the out and out Christian bands may get more immediate results.
Its good to see a parent willing to take the time to be aware of what their children are listening to. While it is important to have standards that will not be compromised I think many issues depend on the kid in question. Like a piece of chocolate cake is a very good idea for someone with anorexia but is a very bad idea for a diabetic.
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RE: linkin park - 4/5/2008 9:02:42 AM
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Thank you, I agree, a large majority of the groups the boys have interest in, DO have good lyrics. And your right, it IS different. . . Pls don't miss my last two final thought/questions.
Don't wanta scream Mom
Well for the parents thing I can't say a lot because I'm not even 18.  But I wouldn't be really concerned, as I said I listen to it for the sound, the lyrics, and for a change, and also what kind of mood I'm in. If you really don't want them listening to secular music there are probably some more good Christian artists out there that will be similar to some of the secular artists that they haven't heard yet. I am continually finding new Christian artists. I'd say as long as they have a good foundation in Christ and don't listen to any of the bad stuff, they should be fine. I haven't had a turn for the worse in my relationship with God since I started listening to it (for almost a year now) in fact if anything, I've gotten closer to Him. I'd say the main thing to consider is why they are listening to it. I.e., for the sound, a change, etc. or to be rebellious or something like that.
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RE: linkin park - 4/5/2008 3:47:21 PM
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 Wow! You guys are great! Thanks so much for your in put. I really think we are heading in the right direction as parents. Our request is that the boys keep the volume down so we do not have to listening to it. Although, I also request periodically to know who they are listen to so I can look up lyrics.
 Example of some bands they like: Haste the day, Bullet for my Valentine, Amonamarth, As Citys Burn, As I lay Dying, August Burns Red, Becomming the Archetype, Chasing Victory, Darkest Hour, Emery, Iorn Maiden, Killswitch Engage, Mortal Treason, Top Heavy Crush, Puddle of Mud, Queens of the Stone Age, Red, Shaihulud, The Show Down, A Shylit Drive, Spoken, A Static Lullaby, Still Remains, Subseven, To No Avail (not labled), Underoath, War of Ages, Yngwie Malmsteem, Seven Horns Seven Eyes (Not labled), Arch Enemy, The Agony Scene, Behemoth, In this Moment, Pariamore, Within Temptation. There are many more that the older son listens too as well, this will give you an Idea of their taste.
 We find that the hardest thing is monitoring. Today, with IPODs, MP3s, etc, music can come from such easy downloads, and be in the IPOD without us even realizing it. Years ago, records were not so easy to camouflage from the parents. Trusting in God is key. We have leaned into the arms of His Spirit, and we know that the foundation has been laid. Both of our sons truly are neet people, respected by others and our relationship is better than many other parent teen relationships we have observed. Thank you God!
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RE: linkin park - 4/5/2008 4:20:10 PM
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Wow! You guys are great! Thanks so much for your in put. I really think we are heading in the right direction as parents. Our request is that the boys keep the volume down so we do not have to listening to it. Although, I also request periodically to know who they are listen to so I can look up lyrics.
Example of some bands they like: Haste the day, Bullet for my Valentine, Amonamarth, As Citys Burn, As I lay Dying, August Burns Red, Becomming the Archetype, Chasing Victory, Darkest Hour, Emery, Iorn Maiden, Killswitch Engage, Mortal Treason, Top Heavy Crush, Puddle of Mud, Queens of the Stone Age, Red, Shaihulud, The Show Down, A Shylit Drive, Spoken, A Static Lullaby, Still Remains, Subseven, To No Avail (not labled), Underoath, War of Ages, Yngwie Malmsteem, Seven Horns Seven Eyes (Not labled), Arch Enemy, The Agony Scene, Behemoth, In this Moment, Pariamore, Within Temptation. There are many more that the older son listens too as well, this will give you an Idea of their taste.
We find that the hardest thing is monitoring. Today, with IPODs, MP3s, etc, music can come from such easy downloads, and be in the IPOD without us even realizing it. Years ago, records were not so easy to camouflage from the parents. Trusting in God is key. We have leaned into the arms of His Spirit, and we know that the foundation has been laid. Both of our sons truly are neet people, respected by others and our relationship is better than many other parent teen relationships we have observed. Thank you God!
I commend you for not just writing it off as Satanic and ungodly simply because of the sound and style. I went thru this with my dad back in the days of Stryper Petra and Bloodgood. If wasnt Southern Gospel it was of the devil. It caused a huge rift between us to the point I was asked to move out at one time because he was so strongly against anything that didnt have a nasal snort and a country twang ; ) Just keep doing what your doing stay involved with your kids lives. If you ever feel the need to forbid them to listen to some groups (be aware of Behemoth) Dont be condesending about it as my dad was or talk down to them show them the evidence you found and give them an alternative to what there listening too. For instance lets pick on Behemoth here if you dont want them to listen to them then find a christian group that sounds similar to them like Crimson Thorn, Crimson Moonlight, or even Antestor especially there new cd. Music is just so important to a young persons life it was to mine it was what helped me thru so many trials like the death of my mom. Anyway take care and hope this helps
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RE: linkin park - 4/5/2008 5:14:46 PM
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My brother got me hooked on Linkin Park, and now I love them! I was a little dissapointed with their last album "Minutes to Midnight", however. I think they had a great thing going, and then they changed it when they started with the language on the last album. Other than that, I like them. You might want to stay away from Buckcherry, though. Their most popular song is "Crazy B***h", and I think the title says it all. I like their sound, but the lyrics leave a lot to be desired. Just my opinion!
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RE: linkin park - 4/5/2008 6:06:33 PM
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linkin park is good. behemoth is satanic. buckcherry is good.
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RE: linkin park - 4/6/2008 2:54:09 PM
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Listen to Demon Hunter instead. Or Kutless.
Agreed, personally, I cant stand buckcherry, but i love linkin park. <3
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RE: linkin park - 4/8/2008 10:41:01 AM
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Jack only has that one song from buckcherry. So I do not have any worries there. Jack is more into linkin park right now. I found out something neat though. If the CD's are bought at wal mart they are edited.
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RE: linkin park - 4/8/2008 12:08:04 PM
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If he likes Linkin Park, a good "Christian" alternative would be Red.
Also, the now defunct band 38th Parallel always reminded me of LP as well.
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RE: linkin park - 4/8/2008 3:38:33 PM
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I found out something neat though. If the CD's are bought at wal mart they are edited.
I understand why you as a parent would be happy about that but from the stance of someone who loves music and writing I think it stinks.
First off its not like you can't tell what word was supposed to go there (or if they overdub a new word its almost always badly done).
Second, Walmart is hypocritical about it. Only CDs that are tagged with parental advisories are edited. As long as the CD isn't tagged they can cuss all day. Furthermore the rerelease of The Doors debut CD is sold at Walmart. One of the features of this rerelease is the reinsertion of some bad language (mostly in "The End") that was mixed so it couldn't be heard originally. I'm sure Walmart doesn't edit that (The Doors would never allow it).
Besides, even if the words are changed the spirit behind them is still the same (for better or worse). I would either not listen to it at all or listen to the original. I would never knowingly listen to an "edited" version of a song (unless an unedited version is not available).
Walmart isn't doing this out of concern for the family but rather to promote the image of concern for the family. They can afford to sell edited versions (and not the real ones) because Walmart is so accessible. If they really cared about families they would pay their workers higher wages and provide health insurance. Little Johnny's inability to see the doctor (or his parents having to struggle to meet the high co-pays) is a bigger problem than Johnny hearing an F-bomb.
Sorry about the rant. Again I understand why this is considered a good thing by parents so I'm happy that Walmart is providing a service to you. I might think the same way if I were a parent. But I'm not and there you go. The hypocrisy of it all angers me.
Here is the link below to Walmart's page on that Doors CD. Clearly says "Edited: No". Its the 2007 rerelease and it definitely has bad language as I own it. If it is edited then they are lying and that is just as bad if not worse than vulgar language.
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RE: linkin park - 4/8/2008 9:46:44 PM
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Justifide and Project 86 should get a hard look too.
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RE: linkin park - 4/9/2008 2:09:39 AM
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Huh. Some of the comparisons in here are interesting. ;)
The closest good Christian groups to Linkin Park are, in my opinion, Thousand Foot Krutch and Skillet. POD has some similar stuff though.
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