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A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 7:49:34 PM
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Walker311
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Ro:6:1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Ro:6:2: God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Ro:6:3: Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Ro:6:4: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Ro:6:5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Ro:6:6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro:6:7: For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Do you believe that a Christian can continuously sin?
I'm not talking about a new Christian who doesn't know any better. Maybe not among the regulars that post here, but I believe that you would be very surprised at the number of Christians who believe that The Blood covers continuous and unrepentant sin.
Why would they believe this? Maybe they do not truly understand sin and what the bible says about it. Maybe they have continuous sin in their own lives or in the lives of family members and do not want to believe that they will be judged.
So, let me redefine some thoughts here. Also, I do not list any particular sin because we are familiar with them all.
I do not believe that a truly born again Christian will continue to knowingly sin. It is impossible in my opinion.
I do not believe a person is born-again if he/she continuously and unrepentantly sins.
Now, do you agree with the following statement? Why or why not.
A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin.
< Message edited by Walker311 -- 3/30/2008 7:56:41 PM >
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 8:08:23 PM
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What I have read here via the posts of others as well as having experienced first hand (as in heard from others), is that some Christians believe that they do no longer sin. I think they are believing a lie.
My experience and all of what I read from the great saints of old is that the CLOSER you get to Jesus, the MORE you are aware of your sin! That is a totally different thing altogether. You are more tuned in to what sin is, and much more sensitive to sin in all of its nuances. The Lord reveals to you quickly that that thought, that look, that inward attitude is not of Him. And, yes, you quickly repent and turn away. But it is there. It is real. And it is sin. And in that way, the closer you come to Jesus, the bigger sinner you are because you are aware of so much more.
So my answer would be that born again believers who are being honest do sin.
Your use of the word 'continuously' is interesting. Do you really mean 'continuously' as in uninterrupted, nonstop? or 'continually' which is frequent or repeatedly?
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 8:09:12 PM
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"But, except you repent, you will all likewise perish."
Luke 13:3
(Change your mind and decide to STOP sinning!)
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives." 1 John 1:8-10
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 8:33:22 PM
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So...
in all the years you have been a christian you have never repeated a sin?
What constitutes a continual sin? Twice a year? a month? an hour?
You never have a bad week?
There is nothing in your life that is an addiction? Gossip, gluttony, lieing?
You never have two donuts? Never talk about anyone else? That open blouse never catches your attention?
Are you in perfect health? Weight fine? Good shape?
Do you give eight hours of work for eight hours of pay?
How's your parenting skills?
Ever...lose your temper? Did you ever lose your temper again?
How many times are we to forgive sin? 7 times 77? Thats a lot of sin....eh?
How many sinless christians do you know? How long have you gone without sinning...and remember lieing is a sin?
We CAN continually sin but I think insanity would follow. It would be a double minded situation, someone with two masters and insanity would follow. Keeping from sin is good for us...its wisdom. Its NOT what saves us or what keeps our salvation.
No question a christian cannot love sin. Sin cannot be our master. Holiness is the standard.....just don't know anyone who is sin free. I'm not.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 8:41:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
So...
in all the years you have been a christian you have never repeated a sin?
What constitutes a continual sin? Twice a year? a month? an hour?
You never have a bad week?
There is nothing in your life that is an addiction? Gossip, gluttony, lieing?
You never have two donuts? Never talk about anyone else? That open blouse never catches your attention?
Are you in perfect health? Weight fine? Good shape?
Do you give eight hours of work for eight hours of pay?
How's your parenting skills?
Ever...lose your temper? Did you ever lose your temper again?
How many times are we to forgive sin? 7 times 77? Thats a lot of sin....eh?
How many sinless christians do you know? How long have you gone without sinning...and remember lieing is a sin?
We CAN continually sin but I think insanity would follow. It would be a double minded situation, someone with two masters and insanity would follow. Keeping from sin is good for us...its wisdom. Its NOT what saves us or what keeps our salvation.
No question a christian cannot love sin. Sin cannot be our master. Holiness is the standard.....just don't know anyone who is sin free. I'm not.
I couldn't have said it better.
What is sin? It is disobedience to God. As I often heard from an admired apologist, if you can keep the two commandments that Jesus said is the summary of all of the commandments, then you are not a sinner. But who among us have loved God with all our heart, mind and being, and loved our neighbor like ourselves for a whole entire day? Certainly not me. I don't think there is anyone who can. Until we meet the Lord, we will always be wrestling with our sin nature.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 8:44:38 PM
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This one will!
I praise the Lord and am so grateful that my salvation is not based on what I did, but what Jesus did. It's not based on what I do everyday, it's based on what Jesus does everyday.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 9:23:05 PM
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Ignited-Faith-
There is no arguing with scripture! We are all sinners and continue to sin.
Remember that Sin in the theological sense is aiming for rightousness yet failing to do what is right. (all of us fail in this regard)
A trespass on the other hand is a willingness to cross a line that you know you should not cross.
While iniquity as talked about in the Torah to express the unholliness of the heart. Isaiah taught that iniquity puts a wall between a person and God, and sin prevents prayers from being answered. (Isaiah 59: 1-2) Remember that sin refers to an action (even if someone else has felt the wrongness of the action Deuteronomy 15:9) and iniquity is a heart issue...
these all require repentance (sin and iniquities on a continuous basis).
The trap of the debased mind is to know that you should not cross a line, cross the line, and then to justify the crossing of the line by your own judgement (this is an extremely dangerous place to be (especially if it involves the blasphamy or repudiation of God's work in Christ). It is talked about by Paul in Romans 1 and 2. While Blasphamy is talked about by all of the apostles but very directly in Matt 12:32
Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 9:27:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: Ignited-Faith
"But, except you repent, you will all likewise perish."
Luke 13:3
(Change your mind and decide to STOP sinning!)
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives." 1 John 1:8-10
Thank you Ignited-Faith.
You are the only one who understood the OP even though the intent was crystal clear. The responses so far give a very good indication of the varying opinions about sin.
This thread is about Christians purposely, continuously, unrepentantly sinning.
There is a dichotomy among many Christians. Some believe that unamarried Christian couples can live togther. Some believe that you can be a Christian homosexual. These are only a couple of examples. I was hoping that I did not have to paint a picture.
Some believe that a Christian purposely and continuously living in a sinful lifestyle is a contradiction and an impossibility. I am with this camp of understanding and it lines up with the bible.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 9:51:43 PM
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Some believe that a Christian purposely and continuously living in a sinful lifestyle is a contradiction and an impossibility. I am with this camp of understanding and it lines up with the bible.
I am in agreement. And I did understand your intent. I just chose a different path because for me, this one is not a discussion. KWIM???
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 10:30:06 PM
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God is at work in me... it is called sanctification.
I put my faith in Him, and everything good in me is because of Him.
so if I do not sin continuously, it won't be a great accomplishment of my own personal efforts.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 10:35:42 PM
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Walker311
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Liveloved said:
I am in agreement. And I did understand your intent. I just chose a different path because for me, this one is not a discussion. KWIM???
Yes!
However, I did not understand >
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And in that way, the closer you come to Jesus, the bigger sinner you are because you are aware of so much more.
Would explain please?
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 10:46:22 PM
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Walker311
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so if I do not sin continuously, it won't be a great accomplishment of my own personal efforts.
Absolutely! We cannot do it continuously because the Spirit will not allow it. We are convicted to the point of repentance. The Holy Spirit will not leave us alone to continue doing what we know that we should not.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 10:58:27 PM
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2 Corinthians 5
17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Romans 8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
God is at work sanctifying all Christians.
1 Thessalonians 4
7For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1 Thessalonians 5
23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 11:18:46 PM
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2 Corinthians 5
17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Romans 8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
God is at work sanctifying all Christians.
1 Thessalonians 4
7For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1 Thessalonians 5
23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
The bible is clear that we are not to live in sin and that we are to be sanctified. However, this is a continual work and a process throughout our lives. Apparently some of you have never dealt with an addiction or known anyone who has.
I was an alcoholic for a long time, and yes I was a born again Christian. I knew that getting drunk was a sin but I couldn't help myself. I continued on a daily basis to drink to excess and I continued to hate myself the next morning for it and ask God for His forgiveness knowing full well that chances were good I would end up drunk again that very night.
I struggled with this for years until God allowed me to sink to rock bottom. I brought myself to a point I won't discuss here but I was so ashamed of myself that I vowed to never drink again. Ever since then and to this day the mere thought of drinking disgusts me.
Now I don't believe a true Christian can live this kind of lifestyle without the conviction of the Holy Spirit and feel remorse and regret over their sin. But I know that Christians can and do fall into sinful lifestyles that they cannot get out of on their own, and scripture supports this:
Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" Jesus *said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
(Mat 18:21-22 NASB)
"Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. "And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' forgive him."
(Luk 17:3-4 NASB)
For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
(Rom 7:14-25 NASB)
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/30/2008 11:49:22 PM
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Walker311
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Now I don't believe a true Christian can live this kind of lifestyle without the conviction of the Holy Spirit and feel remorse and regret over their sin. But I know that Christians can and do fall into sinful lifestyles that they cannot get out of on their own, and scripture supports this
Yes! A Christian will not countinously... something has to give. Sin and the Holy Spirit cannot dwell in us simultaneously. It don't mix!
They may try to do it on their own and they will fail every time. On the bottom is not a very good place for a Christian to be but there is only one way left to go.
The lost are living a lifestyle. It's expected! They don't feel the guilt, conviction, or remorse for their sins at least until they heed to the drawing power of God.
Thanks for sharing!
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 3:27:04 AM
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A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin.
Agreed! Thats the definition of the life of those who don't know God. We know salvation is not by works, well not of mans work, but of the Lords work on the cross.
The Worlds lifestyle is define by = Continuous Sin unto Death
Christian lifestyle is defined by = Continuous Repentance unto Life
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 6:31:33 AM
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Thank you Walker for this excellent thread. I do not believe a Christan, and I mean sold out Christian, not your Sunday Christian, will live in continuous sin. "They will know us by our fruits." As for addiction, I can say for sure when it is turned completely over to God-no holding on, on our part, He will remove it. (hence the reason for my name). Not turning the addiction over is living in continuous sin. So many Christians use the"I'm covered by the Blood" as an excuse to continue doing what they are doing. It drives me nuts! He didn't shed His blood so that we can do whatever it is that we want to do! We should as in recovery be recoiling from continuous sin, as if it were a hot flame. There are so many things that He has caused a reaction like that in me. As LL said, " the closer we get to Jesus, the more aware of the sin, we become". He has definitely proved that to me. The becoming a new person in Christ is a shedding process. As we grow, our skin doesn't fit anymore, so we stretch and it becomes uncomfortable. The more we grow, the old passes away, making room for the new. I am a work in progress. However, there are things that He has made absolutely clear, that I am not to do or be apart of. Even certain people, I am not to associate with.(Now that is very rare, but there have been a few on this road). I challenge the person living in continuous sin to look hard at their reasons for doing so. If you really don't want to live this way, choose Him and let Him take it!
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 6:46:58 AM
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What is sin? It is disobedience to God. As I often heard from an admired apologist, if you can keep the two commandments that Jesus said is the summary of all of the commandments, then you are not a sinner. But who among us have loved God with all our heart, mind and being, and loved our neighbor like ourselves for a whole entire day? Certainly not me. I don't think there is anyone who can. Until we meet the Lord, we will always be wrestling with our sin nature. Actually we are talking about different things here.
Transgression is willful disobedience to God.
Sin is what ever misses the mark, what ever falls short of God's Glory. That can be knowing or unknowing, it can be weakness, it can be what ever in our lives that is not up to biblical standards.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 10:55:48 AM
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I have had times in my life where I sinned. I have never been one who could sin and go to church. It took me years to understand grace. I would try as hard as I could, fall, backslide, He would call me back and I would do it all over again untill... finally... I began to understand grace and forgivness and to understand that "I" did not have to do it all by myself. Now, if I sin, I run to Him and not away from Him. It is a life of repentance until that day when He will take "sin" out of us for good... what a day that will be!!!
This is what I have found in my Christian life...
There are two main players who fight each other for control of my body, the Spirit and "indwelling sin" (also known as 'the flesh'). Each one, (the Spirit and 'sin'), comes to my soul with their desires. My soul is made up of my mind, my affections, and my will. My mind is the 'gatekeeper' and gives the initial "yes" or "no" to the desires. If either the Spirit or sin gets past the mind it then comes to the affections. If either can get the affections to fall in with the desire... the will is sure to follow. Then the desire will come into the world through my body, whether righteousness from the desire of the Spirit or wickedness through the desire of the flesh.
If wickedness is birthed into the world through my body it does not mean I am not a Christian, it means I made a wrong decision. It means I have to repent, even if I have to repent over and over. The presence of the Spirit confirms that I am a Christian. A Christian can surely sin but a Christian cannot be comfortable with sin.
When I was in a backslidden state I was never happy... I was running from God, hiding. Drinking beer during the day but every night when my head would hit the pillow I would ask God for mercy and forgivness, i was miserable.
He was faithful in the face of my unfaithfulness.
I understand what you mean in the OP and I think the difference is that some people try to excuse their sin. I don't see how a Christian can do that. I know a Christian can get way off track but a Christian, if honest with them self will know that sin is sin and that there is no excuse for it... that they need help and mercy, not acceptance of their lifestyle. I think that is the real difference between a Christian who is backslidden and a person who really isn't saved at all. A Christian will seek mercy and an unsaved person will seek acceptance of their sin.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 11:00:34 AM
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And in that way, the closer you come to Jesus, the bigger sinner you are because you are aware of so much more.
Would explain please?
I thought I did but I will try again. As we grow closer to Jesus, we become more sensitive to all the ways in which we are NOT like Him. So He shows us that 'that thought', or 'that attitude', 'that look or word' was not of Him. So you see how very far you really are from being like Jesus, the One you love. He does the revealing. I do the repenting. And it is all part of the relationship, the communion I have with Him.
Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Instead of "the closer you come to Jesus, the bigger sinner you are because you are aware of so much more", I could have said, "He reveals just how desperately wicked your heart is when you draw closer and closer to His."
Does that make sense to you? Are you understanding me now? Thanks for asking and desiring to understand. That is love.  LL
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 11:11:13 AM
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And in that way, the closer you come to Jesus, the bigger sinner you are because you are aware of so much more.
Would explain please?
I thought I did but I will try again. As we grow closer to Jesus, we become more sensitive to all the ways in which we are NOT like Him. So He shows us that 'that thought', or 'that attitude', 'that look or word' was not of Him. So you see how very far you really are from being like Jesus, the One you love. He does the revealing. I do the repenting. And it is all part of the relationship, the communion I have with Him.
Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Instead of "the closer you come to Jesus, the bigger sinner you are because you are aware of so much more", I could have said, "He reveals just how desperately wicked your heart is when you draw closer and closer to His."
Does that make sense to you? Are you understanding me now? Thanks for asking and desiring to understand. That is love. LL
Francis Schaeffer likened us to an iceberg, 10% is visible and known. We deal with the 10% that we know about with repentance and as we walk with Him He will begin to give us glimpses of the 90%.
We, thankfully, will never fathom the true depth of our depravity. Thankfully we only have to deal with that He reveal's to us.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 11:15:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ephesians4_32
2 Corinthians 5
17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Romans 8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
God is at work sanctifying all Christians.
1 Thessalonians 4
7For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1 Thessalonians 5
23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
The bible is clear that we are not to live in sin and that we are to be sanctified. However, this is a continual work and a process throughout our lives. Apparently some of you have never dealt with an addiction or known anyone who has.
I'm not sure why you quoted me. It sounds like we agree. Did you get the impression that I disagree with you?
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 11:32:07 AM
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A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin.
Well the Apostle John seems to agree with you here when he is referring to contunuing (walking) in sin defines the person's spirituality..
(1Jo 3:8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
(1Jo 3:9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(1Jo 3:10) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Paul tells us there is no excuse for a Christian to sin;
(1Co 10:13) There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Jesus died to forgive us our sins and told us to go and sin no more.
Jesus also said;
(Luk 6:46) And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
So yea I would agree Walker, that a Christian who continues in their sin, or who claims they cannot stop sinning are either not Christians and therefore choose to not live as Christians have been called to live;
(Rom 12:1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
(Rom 12:2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
I think that Christ addressed the problem very well here;
(Mat 7:20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
(Mat 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Mat 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Christ plainly states that many (not a few, but many) will claim to be Christian who are not Christian.
Paul also addresses this when he tells Christians to;
(2Co 13:5) Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
And continuing (walking) in sin is a bench mark indicator that one is not a child of God.
Sad, but true.
Thsnks
RC
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 12:44:09 PM
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I guess the Apostle Paul was not a child of God.
I sin every single day. I don't want to, but I do and will continue to do so until God gives me my glorified body. This flesh is tainted and we live in a sinful/fallen world.
RC - I know all of the "Holiness" counterpoints so please don't bother. But this is really odd when people claim they are perfect and sinless here and now, that they actually do believe and express to others that they no longer sin.
I had a man like this once at my old church.. during testimony time he went up and started sharing how we were wrong in not adhering to Holiness theology... he went on and on about being perfect and having reached a point in his walk with the Lord where he no longer sinned.
His wife interrupted him and said, "Albert... you know I live with you... and your kids sitting here can also tell these people here differently."
He was stone silent. Never said another word and they never returned.
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RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! - 3/31/2008 12:47:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: Liveloved
My experience and all of what I read from the great saints of old is that the CLOSER you get to Jesus, the MORE you are aware of your sin! That is a totally different thing altogether. You are more tuned in to what sin is, and much more sensitive to sin in all of its nuances. The Lord reveals to you quickly that that thought, that look, that inward attitude is not of Him. And, yes, you quickly repent and turn away. But it is there. It is real. And it is sin. And in that way, the closer you come to Jesus, the bigger sinner you are because you are aware of so much more.
So my answer would be that born again believers who are being honest do sin.
Amen.
And to the original poster - the problem is when a person sins and sins and sins and they do NOT think twice about it. They do NOT think it's a problem.
THOSE are the people we could say are not born-again believers.
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