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bluestone -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 3:52:26 PM)
Gluttony: Hebrew from zalal, "to shake," hence to "be loose" morally. A debauchee (Deuteronomy 21:20; Proverbs 23:21); "gluttonous" (Proverbs 23:20; 28:27), meaning a free liver, one who is unrestrained (Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34)"Another definition for "glutton" comes from The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, which says, in part, "zalel, "to be lavish; ... To shake or pour out, ... to be lavish, a squanderer."

jfaye -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 4:03:06 PM)
quote: Gluttony: Hebrew from zalal, "to shake," hence to "be loose" morally. A debauchee (Deuteronomy 21:20; Proverbs 23:21); "gluttonous" (Proverbs 23:20; 28:27), meaning a free liver, one who is unrestrained (Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34)"Another definition for "glutton" comes from The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, which says, in part, "zalel, "to be lavish; ... To shake or pour out, ... to be lavish, a squanderer." Hmmmmm--that's VERY INTERESTING--thank you 'Bluestone'! I'm going to really think on that one! quote: Janice... Would you do me a favor and when you post maybe do a synopsis of what you are trying to say and then elaborate.. I am too lazy to read such long posts and tend to skip them. Groooannn! I KNOW--it's awful!!!! [&o] How I wish I could summarize without so much 'detail'! It's a problem!!!![:o] You know what's really sad--I do edit out paragraphs before I finally submit the volume I do settle on! How bad is that!!!![sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif] Funny thing is, I express myself in this way, by typing out my thoughts, explaining more than I really do in person, face to face! "Thank the Lord for that", so would say my husband!!!

laura... -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 4:10:57 PM)
jfaye, I have enjoyed your posts. I find them to be well written and understandable.

Liveloved -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 4:21:54 PM)
quote: who looks more righteous And this is the point. It is not about 'looks' at all. I guess by your response I'm hitting on something very close to home. I really did not intend that. (I do not buy into our culture's body image. God made each of us beautifully to represent His creative bent---not our own. We are to come in different sized and shaped packages and that is beautiful. But that is not what we are really talking about here.) So if it is not about 'looks', what is it? It is something bigger. It is about the attitude of the heart. Janice, your physical size or body shape does not tell me that YOUR desire is to please God. Your heart does. When you share with me, I hear your heart. And it is that that testifies of Him. The world judges by appearance, outward appearance, the 'look'. God does not. Nor should we. But to me, every single thing I do IS important to God---whether we're talking about how much I eat, or what I eat to my sex life or how I treat others. I do not worry about the world's opinion of me. I don't even worry about the church world's opinion of me. It is God and God alone Whose opinion matters. And He shows me my sin. What is the most disruptive sin in the church? PRIDE, PRIDE, and more PRIDE. And I do see this as a CONTINUAL sin and to us, it may seem to be CONTINUOUS because it goes on and on and on, but I really think CONTINUAL is the correct word. Pride is the biggest destroyer of relationships. That is why Jesus showed us what humility is and how to live humbly. No defenses. (In fact, that is what the Lord showed me at the beginning of the year---to stop defending myself. It is pure self. He said, "Give it up!") Anyway, this is quite a discussion. Glad we can blame Walker. [sm=wink.gif] And I'm glad he's not a horse with a gun---we'd be in trouble for sure.[sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif]

inthysite -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 5:06:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames quote: ORIGINAL: inthysite Blue1914 raises a valid point. It is obvious when the sin is socially unacceptable, such as fornication, adultery, drunkeness, etc. But what about the more common sins such as gluttony, pride, unforgiveness, gossiping, hypocrisy, the list goes on. There are plenty of Christians who continually live in these sins. How about a Biblical defanition of Gluttony. Thanks RC G5314 φάγος phagos Thayer Definition: 1) a voracious man, a glutton Part of Speech: noun masculine A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G5315 Pro 23:20 Do not be with heavy drinkers of wine, Or with gluttonous eaters of meat; Pro 23:21 For the heavy drinker and the glutton will come to poverty, And drowsiness will clothe one with rags. Mat 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds." Php 3:18 For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, Php 3:19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things.

Walker311 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 6:05:41 PM)
blue1914, In response to post #106: Some of you keep wanting to pin down a particular sin or lifestyle of sin and the fact remains that this is between you and God because there are sins taking place in the lives of people that is not obvious to anyone but God. Paul had some things to say about this. Ro:14:22: Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. Ro:14:23: And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. I did not want this thread listing sins because the point was more about continuously SINNING and most likely the Christians who are actively SINNING are well aware how God feels about it. I capitalize SINNING for those who continue to struggle with a sin thread that is NOT about how we can all be perfect little Christians who never sin. This ain't that thread! Jas:4:17: Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. 1Jo:5:17: All unrighteousness is sin: Ro:14:2: For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. We don't check our sins in when we accept the free gift of eternal life but rest assured that God will deal with our sins if we don't... while we live. So, to help with your confusion blue1914, pull up a chair, grab a sin... any sin will do whether an action or sinful thoughts. Do them over and over with no intention to ever stop regardless that you are born again or how God feels about it and watch what happens. We CANNOT keep doing it! A non-Christian is like the EverReady bunny... he can keep on sinning and sinning and sinning... and never bat an eye because it is his lifestyle. He is doing exactly what he wants with no one to answer to except those that his sin affects. [Edited by Walker to give Satan some credit] The devil recharges the non-Christians evil battery pack and only the blood of Christ can drain it and keep it drained.

inthysite -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 6:23:41 PM)
quote: Do them over and over with no intention to ever stop regardless that you are born again or how God feels about it and watch what happens. We CANNOT keep doing it! Okay, this I agree with. A Christian will eventually be brought to task if he/she insists on living in a sinful lifestyle (believe me I know). This is what I believe Paul meant when he spoke to the Corinthian church about the man who was having relations with his father's wife. He told them (1Cor 5) to turn him over to Satan. Some want to equate this with excommunicating him from the church but I believe it is more than that. I believe Paul is saying turn him over to his own sin, if he is truly a Christian he will not be able to continue in this lifestyle. The problem there was the fact that the whole church was puffed up about this relationship so that were enabling/encouraging him to continue in it. But once you turn him over to it, he will come to his senses as the prodigal son did and turn from his ways. JMHO!

jfaye -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 6:24:29 PM)
quote: We don't check our sins in when we accept the free gift of eternal life but rest assured that God will deal with our sins if we don't... while we live. So, to help with your confusion blue1914, pull up a chair, grab a sin... any sin will do whether an action or sinful thoughts. Do them over and over with no intention to ever stop regardless that you are born again or how God feels about it and watch what happens. We CANNOT keep doing it! A non-Christian is like the EverReady bunny... he can keep on sinning and sinning and sinning... and never bat an eye because it is his lifestyle. He is doing exactly what he wants with no one to answer to except those that his sin affects . VERY well said, 'Walker'! You are so very right in your statement above! Thank you, for restating it in such a way--hard to deny the truth of it! I apologize for my part in getting off-track and for being so long-winded! I obviously find it difficult not to get 'conversational' with folks !! Gulp![:o] Laura--you are too kind--I've missed seeing you post around here--for awhile, it seems![:)] I miss your humor, too![:D] LL--you didn't strike a nerve, I was just making a point! [:)] Folks look at us, and they do judge and they sometimes discern. It happens--and God said it would and told us how to do it rightly and how to handle it when we do--'the truth in love--checking ourselves first'! [8\|] Nuff said by me! I'm going to leave this thread in the hands of Walker--I've mangled it enough, already!!!![sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif]

blue1914 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 6:26:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 We don't check our sins in when we accept the free gift of eternal life but rest assured that God will deal with our sins if we don't... while we live. So, to help with your confusion blue1914, pull up a chair, grab a sin... any sin will do whether an action or sinful thoughts. Do them over and over with no intention to ever stop regardless that you are born again or how God feels about it and watch what happens. We CANNOT keep doing it! A non-Christian is like the EverReady bunny... he can keep on sinning and sinning and sinning... and never bat an eye because it is his lifestyle. He is doing exactly what he wants with no one to answer to except those that his sin affects. I went back to read the original thread with this as context, and I guess I'm less confused on the motive/issue behind the question and now a little more confused on exactly what is being said, so I'll spell it out a little. You ask in your original thread if we believe someone who sins continuously is a true Christian. As you've pointed out in several verses, the Word of God tells us that this a strong indication that they are not a Christian-and really, as far as I'm concerned that trumps my opinion any day of the week (so answering according to my opinion is a little silly unless my opinion lines up with what God has already said). Additionally, you also state (as does the Word of God) that with our sin nature we will struggle to overcome sin in this life. Again for me, the issue is not my opinion but what the Word of God says on the topic. All of that said, where the thread has gone (and I see this as a natural progression given the subject matter) is to the ever popular "fruit inspection" line of today-you know, we as Christians are called to be "fruit inspectors" to "discern" what others are are are not doing. My only concern here is that Jesus didn't do that-instead, He cautioned us that the best fruit inspection tool that we could use would be a mirror (the whole beam and speck thing, you know what I'm saying). Long and short-The Word of God (both in and out of context) pretty clearly spells out what you are saying-even those in deep error (say for instance the Mormons or the Jehovah's Witnesses) incorporate the concept into their false religions. Where I would remain confused is with this question-am I (or any other person for that matter) qualified to give that message (and reading your post, I don't know that you were trying to give that message yourself as much as point to where it is in the Word of God)? Now it probably was not your intention to sit in judgement of anyone(I don't see indications of that on the original post), but given past history by many on this board, I can easily see how some may have misinterpreted that as your aim and believed it to be that.

Walker311 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 6:51:22 PM)
blue1914 said: quote: Now it probably was not your intention to sit in judgement of anyone(I don't see indications of that on the original post), but given past history by many on this board, I can easily see how some may have misinterpreted that as your aim and believed it to be that. It has been my experience here that you can guarantee that anything psoted that looks are smells like YOU HAVE SIN IN YOUR LIFE will be misinterpreted. People come out of the woodwork like termites and skeeters looking for blood and if they can't get any they will take wood. Also, I have been a part of this forums for many years and most often my threads mainly point to me. Full time Sinning Christians make alot of money or make very little. They are very pretty/handsome or so ugly they could snag lightning. They are extremely intelligent or blubbering idiots. This is all in common with non-Christians but here is the difference. Christians will not be able to continue purposely living in a sinful lifestyle with no intention to stop what they are doing and with every intention of going to heaven. True Christians will continuously be bombarded by spiritual reminders and the darts of conviction and eventually something will have to give. If however a so-called Christian is successful in living a full time life of blissful sin... HE AIN'T A CHRISTIAN! There is no judgement here because IT is biblical I have witnessed how God works in the lives of Christians (me and thee) my whole life.

deliveredarling -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 7:53:54 PM)
Hey Walker, does this scripture sum up your point? I would have to say it certainly does for me. This takes any accusations about people making judgments and throws it right out of the window[:D] Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. (I used caps as it was capitalized in my Bible)

ta_mosquito -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 9:10:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 Full time Sinning Christians make alot of money or make very little. They are very pretty/handsome or so ugly they could snag lightning. They are extremely intelligent or blubbering idiots. But... but... what about those who make a medium amount of money? How about those who are average in the looks department? What about those who had a B/C average in school? [8D]

ladyichigo -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 9:15:20 PM)
The question I'm about to ask should probably be a separate thread. I leaveth it in the mods capable and loving hands to decide what to do with it. [:)] quote: Christians will not be able to continue purposely living in a sinful lifestyle with no intention to stop what they are doing and with every intention of going to heaven. True Christians will continuously be bombarded by spiritual reminders and the darts of conviction and eventually something will have to give. If however a so-called Christian is successful in living a full time life of blissful sin... HE AIN'T A CHRISTIAN! What is a Christian to do when they encounter these "so-called Christians"? Should we do nothing? Are we to treat them as non-Christians and not expect them to have a Christian world-view while they go around claiming they are Christian, and have non-believers or new Christians get the impression that, that is what Christianity is? Or are we to confront them in truth and love and ask them who really is their Master? Pray for God's wisdom?

SonInMe1 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 9:34:25 PM)
quote: and yourself I really don't believe our walks with the Lord is primarily about ourselves, quite the opposite. We die to self so Christ may live in us. Of course living a holy life has benefits for us as I stated earlier, but its not the reason why we don't sin. First of all we cannot stop sinning without God. If you think you can, then you are sinning. Its called pride. Which brings up another aspect of this topic. It seems there are many people willing to throw stones here....just be careful. God is just and when you proclaim sinlessness, esspecially for others, it will come home to roost. Now, don't take any of this post pesonally, its not directed at anyone. Its directed at the ideal being discussed, birthed from some comments. I have no idea what your life is about or what you do.

Walker311 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 9:49:31 PM)
I believe that this is the most that I have posted in any one thread for a very long time and I asked myself why. Was the creation of this thread because of my attitude toward sin only? Was it due to observations of Christians that continuously sin? Was it because of my sin? It was mainly to bring attention to just how powerful the cross is. So often when we all first say yes to Christ, we struggle with whether we are truly saved and how in the world we will change from the way we lived before. Once we get past the insecurity then comes the milk of the word and eventually we grow into the solid meat of the word. 1Co:3:2: I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. The length of time varies between the milk and the meat and in some cases, many Christian never progress past the milk. These are the ones who get hung up in a continuous lifestyle of sin. They are in a perpetual cycle of repentence and sin. These struggling souls don't know how to get past this terrible hold that sin has in their lives. While others are growing by leaps and bounds and enjoying the fruits of their spiritual labor, the bottle-fed Christians are heading for a BIG learning curve or they will die. I don't know any other way to put it! Those on the bottle who are stomping on the cross of Christ without repenting will eventually destroy themselves. Those who finally get it will do a 360 degree turn and will begin to grow in the way that they should. So, this whole thing was about how salvation forces us to make a clear choice. We cannot be in the middle. We cannot have one foot in heaven and the other in hell. The Holy Spirit presses us to either grow or our sins will kill us. Ro:6:23: For the wages of sin is death...

inthysite -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 10:31:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ladyichigo What is a Christian to do when they encounter these "so-called Christians"? Should we do nothing? Are we to treat them as non-Christians and not expect them to have a Christian world-view while they go around claiming they are Christian, and have non-believers or new Christians get the impression that, that is what Christianity is? Or are we to confront them in truth and love and ask them who really is their Master? Pray for God's wisdom? Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. - Gal 6:1

Walker311 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 11:06:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito quote: ORIGINAL: Walker311 Full time Sinning Christians make alot of money or make very little. They are very pretty/handsome or so ugly they could snag lightning. They are extremely intelligent or blubbering idiots. But... but... what about those who make a medium amount of money? How about those who are average in the looks department? What about those who had a B/C average in school? [8D] nO OnE remEMbERs THem. [:)]

Walker311 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/2/2008 11:15:45 PM)
quote: What is a Christian to do when they encounter these "so-called Christians"? Mari, In some instances you just have to let them hit bottom and be there to help them up. We stand, we fall, we keep getting up after we fall until we develop spiritual muscle where we did not have any before. There are other times that they cannot see or accept our witness because they are so blinded by the depth of sin that they are mired in. That's when we use God-given boldness and kick Satan out the way while we rescue or brothers and sisters.

zamdad -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/3/2008 2:49:51 AM)
quote: What is a Christian to do when they encounter these "so-called Christians"? Should we do nothing? Are we to treat them as non-Christians and not expect them to have a Christian world-view while they go around claiming they are Christian, and have non-believers or new Christians get the impression that, that is what Christianity is? Or are we to confront them in truth and love and ask them who really is their Master? Pray for God's wisdom? You ask some very good questions Mari. I hate answers that say it depends, yet find myself about to respond this way. I think it depends on the relationship we have built with the other brother/sister. I think we, the church, have bought into to many of the worlds ways of doing things. We design programs and send people to class to give them head knowledge but we lack in being involved enough to share in practical aplication. It's sort of complicated in that we have developed, over the years, this sense that we are to be completely indenpendant. We don't want others prying into our lives and we respect the privacy of others so we don't peer into their lives. Yet, we are interdependant on one another only we continually fail to realize this. While we have developed more ways to communicate with one another, we know each other less and less. When we see sin in others, it seems we no longer have a strong enough relationship to be able to confront the sin because those intimate bonds have not been developed. Or, if they have been developed, they may not be as strong as we think because we never see beneath the mask. There's another saying, rules without relationship equals rebellion. If we don't have a solid relationship from which to address sin, we are percieved as moralistic and judgmental. If we, the church, don't get back to basics and begin loving one another by getting to know one another, we're never going to kill sin. Sin will kill us.

SonInMe1 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/3/2008 7:32:39 AM)
I just have a problem with the good christians helping the rest of us up to their standard. To me a good christian is one without the obvious sins...or one that hides their sins well. A "christian" that continually sins is either not a christian or a very immature one. I am not sure I would call a reoccuring sin, one that pops up once in a while, a continual sin. Some of us have struggles...maybe its just us late comers, I don't know. If you excuse your sin, then, no doubt its a problem.

deliveredarling -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/3/2008 8:34:05 AM)
Our own reactions to being confronted with sin, will tells us a lot about where we are in our walk with the Lord. When confronted, do we minimize it, saying it is not as bad as this or that. Do we dismiss it, to not think about it again. We all do this with certain things. Our sins don't always and immediately hit us upside the head. It sometimes takes awhile for it to sink in that we need to change(repent). I know that we can be completely focused on our walks and shortcomings for awhile and then life gets in the way. We get distracted, home, kids, work, day to day problems. I think what we are talking about here is the absolute avoidance of acknowledging our sinfullness knowingly. Knowing full well what we are doing is wrong and yet doing it anyways. This is the harmful and damning sin that will send us to hell. Can we say that when we do this our heart is truly chasing God. No, I don't think we can. How can we claim to love someone with all of our hearts, souls, mind and strength and ignore the pain that the Bible says our sin causes Him. How can we love Him and do these abominable things, knowing He suffered a horrendous death so that we could live? There is a time that comes in our walk, as we grow with Him, that tells us it is time to let these things go. It comes with maturity in Him. As new Christians, I don't think we automatically understand the depth of His love for us, nor do we fully comprehend the consequences of such actions. Otherwise we would not be told to rebuke gently and with love our brothers and sisters. This is not judgment of another's fruits, it is a command. because our sins do affect other's walks, we need reminding. Maybe we even need the knowledge. If we don't know we are doing something wrong, how can we possibly fix it? This "fruit inspection" deal just seems to be an excuse to look at others and take the focus off our own sin. It has everything to do with the attitude we present it in, Love or pridefulness.

SonInMe1 -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/3/2008 2:35:39 PM)
How many of you have been confronted with a sin...or confronted others with their sins?

deliveredarling -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/3/2008 4:07:34 PM)
God doesn't bring your sins to mind? he doesn't show you where you have transgressed? You've never said to a brother or siser that something may be wrong?

ladyichigo -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/3/2008 4:09:05 PM)
<raises hand> I got pregnant with kid #1 before marriage as we had been having premarital sex shortly before getting married. We found out after we got married, but it is when we found out how far long I was that we were greatly convicted by the Holy Spirit that this was the result of us sinning and we knew we had to confess and repent. There was no way of hiding it, no way of denying it. We both went before our pastor (who officiated our wedding) and told him what we had done. He was disappointed in us as we were both serving in the youth group, but he forgave us. We told our family and friends, and they were first upset, but later embraced us and congratulated us. Right now I have a real problem with surrender because of pride. I have been confronted countless times by my husband about my pride issues because pride keeps me from being understanding, compassionate, patient,...basically being a loving wife. I want change. I do not want to be prideful. God has been teaching me humility, and recently pride hasn't been rearing it's head. The Lord has been humbling me, and with that I have been able to be more loving. I'm still a work in progress, and may the Holy Spirit continue to confront and convict me.

ladyichigo -> RE: A Christian WILL NOT Continuously Sin! (4/3/2008 4:56:57 PM)
This is what I've been thinking. Christian: When confronted about a sin in their life, they will feel convicted, they make efforts to stop, they pray, they ask for help. Non-Christian: They could care less if they were told what they were doing was wrong. They'll do whatever they want. So, if a person who says they are Christian are confronted with a sin in their life, but that person continues to do whatever they please regardless of what they were confronted with, then is it wrong for me to discern that...perhaps they are not really a Christian? Here's a real scenario I came about: There's a girl I know who comes to church. She told me she loves Jesus, she loves God. She says she's a Christian. One day she tells me that she is thinking about having a foursome with 2 of her girl friends and 1 guy friend, and it's going to be fun. I asked, "You know, as a Christian, don't you think that's wrong, and don't you think that it's disgusting?" Her response, "Well, so what. God still loves me. It's going to be fun!!" I asked, "how could you think that it's going to be fun?" I will not disclose what she shared with me as it is inappropriate content. I told her, "If Jesus is your Lord and you say you love Him, then you know what you're doing is wrong. She repeated her earlier response, "It's going to be fun!!" At that point I saw it as futile to try and convince her out of her decision since she had made up her mind. I told her that I will be praying for her that she would make a godly decision. I do not know if she went through with the activity as I did not ask her. From this scenario, would you be able to discern if this person is really a Christian?

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