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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/9/2008 10:42:15 PM
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Do I believe in miracles for today? Yes!
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You believe in them but can you do them. Where is your church, let me bring the deaf, and cripples, and blind. We will see what you can do then!
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/9/2008 10:48:59 PM
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Well false signs and wonders are from the Devil.
It is inner healing that matters not outer healing. I think everyone should not ask for healing but sickness, not riches but poverty, not good times but hardships. Job found God in a garbage heap covered in sores, not in a place living in luxury and health.
An interesting post. Do you, yourself pray for illness, hardship and poverty?
Do you receive them?
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/9/2008 10:50:12 PM
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You believe in them but can you do them. Where is your church, let me bring the deaf, and cripples, and blind. We will see what you can do then!
Godhead...I think all things happen according to God's will, not the will of man and in this case you are asking a man to prove himself.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/9/2008 11:06:27 PM
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Well it would be dishonest to make bogus claims. Getting people into the church on a false promise is not a good thin in my book.
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Well false signs and wonders are from the Devil.
It is inner healing that matters not outer healing. I think everyone should not ask for healing but sickness, not riches but poverty, not good times but hardships. Job found God in a garbage heap covered in sores, not in a place living in luxury and health.
An interesting post. Do you, yourself pray for illness, hardship and poverty?
Do you receive them?
Yes and YES! God refines us through hardships and sufferings. I have come to know the true value of them. I do not wing and wine about my troubles. I think god that they have always brought me closer to Him. Jesus said, "Only through many trials can a man enter the kingdom of heaven." It takes fire to refine steal. I can now look back and thank God for all of my trials and trouble. The Psalmist said, “Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I take heed according to your word.” You know what, I see Christians who have life so good and think, how can their faith be real. Faith needs to be tested, and tried. Has yours, would you stand or fall when tried? If you have never suffered then how would you know? That goes for anyone. It’s easy to believe God in the good times but only in the bad times is it real. My faith is real and stronger then ever. I never really praised God until I went through many trials. Real faith is something that can get you through anything, no matter what.
We should not want to be healed from sickness but have the strength to endure it. If I went to the doctor tomorrow and he told me I was going to die, I would shout, Hallelujah! Why would I want to continue in this body any longer then I have too. Focus on healing shows that the church is focused on the wrong thing.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/9/2008 11:25:39 PM
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Well, Godhead, I don't know what to say.
Yes, we are refined through trials, and yes we are to count it all joy when we encounter them and trust God to see us through them in His way, but I do wish you would quote the Scripture that say we are specifically to seek these.
Are we to assume that you are poor, homeless and being pursued by those bent on doing you harm?
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 1:09:55 AM
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What are the differances between signs, wonders and Miracles?
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Signs and wonders are miracles worked by God through His prophets and apostles to establish that the messenger and the message are truly from God. In the case of Christ -- "the Prophet" -- they were also to establish that He is the Son of God, and to generate faith in Him (Jn. 20:30,31).
Moses was given the power to work miracles so that Israel would believe that he had been sent by God. The same principle applies in the New Testament.
Miracles (apart from signs and wonders), on the other hand, are daily direct interventions of God in answer to prayer, e.g. "the prayer of faith SHALL heal the sick" (Jas. 5:15) because "the effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much" (Jas. 5:16).
To deny the occurrence of daily miracles is to deny:
(1) The efficacy of prayer
(2) The willingness and ability of God to intervene in our lives at any time
(3) That with God all things are possible
(4) That to the one who believes all things are possible
Therefore the denial of miracles is simply unbelief, since He that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him (Heb. 11:6)
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 5:17:00 AM
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Miracles is NOT the issue. I've seen Benny Hinn perform miracles on TV, but I believe he is a false prophet. Jesus Christ performed miracles but the people still did not believe He was God.
The most important thing is to make sure that your heart is right with God every single day. Instead of praying for things like (new car, big house, promotion, higher salary, beautiful girls, luxury, or other worldy things). Follow the examples of David. Can you prove to God that your heart will be right with Him through the (good, bad, ugly) times?
"Vindicate me, O LORD, for I have walked in my integrity, And I have trusted in the LORD without wavering. Examine me, O LORD, and try me; Test my mind and my heart." (Psalm 26:2)
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 6:56:37 AM
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Miracles (apart from signs and wonders), on the other hand, are daily direct interventions of God in answer to prayer, e.g. "the prayer of faith SHALL heal the sick" (Jas. 5:15) because "the effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much" (Jas. 5:16).
Ezra,
Where did you get your definition?
miracle: "...an event or action that apparently contradicts known scientific laws and is hence thought thought to be due to supernatural causes, esp. and act of God... (Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition)
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 10:51:26 AM
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an event or action that apparently contradicts known scientific laws
Larry,
I don't think God does anything that contradicts known scientific laws, only something our finite mines cannot understand.
I bet you are 100% in agreement with my statement.
Bob
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 11:16:07 AM
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GODHEAD,
You amuse me. You take a few biblical truths and build an entire precept to fit your ideology. Sure our "flesh" is finite and carnal. Sure God "disciplines" those he loves. And you are right to say that churches that focus on healing are focusing on the wrong thing. Still we are made in the image of God...and God called His creaton "very good."
Jesus came not that we would only have a future "glorified body," but that we might have life (now) and life more abundantly. He imparted to his followers His Holy Spirit to guide us in all truth AND to walk and partake in the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, etc.). He called us to be salt and LIGHT, to point a dying and confused world to Him....not to mope around in some masochistic state of existance. Don't worry, death will come soon enough. Concern yourself with the purpose that God has called you to here and now as his ambassador.
LARRY,
I hear you and can relate. There's a whole segment of Christianity that seemingly lives for the "miraculous." It's quite evident that at times they will stoop to trickery (or whatever) in that the "ends justifies the means." I too think their focus is wrong.....but they (like me) will stand before God one day.
Yet all of your posts cry out to me "Help my unbelief." I guess I'm there too. But I refuse to let the "tricksters" kill my faith in believing that God still accomplishes his desires in the way that HE chooses, even miracles. We want to think miracles, like demon possession, was only in biblical times. Yet we see parents killing their children almost weekly on the evening news. The spiritual realm, both demonic and Godly, is still active, even if it presents itself in seemingly different ways.
Have I without a doubt seen an indisputable miracle? No. But I've heard enough testimony from godly saints (especially 3rd world countries) to believe.
As a side note, I belong to a SBC church. Our pastor recently annointed several people with oil and prayed over them at the church altar in one of our services as to their requests. It might seem silly, but it's biblical. The premise that miracles have ceased is NOT biblical.
RC
Thanks for your posts and God bless you and your ministry. It must be wonderful knowing God did a miracle in your life. Nobody can take that from you.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 11:39:49 AM
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Not at all DR...you wouldn't claim credit and neither would those close to you but what about those not closely connected. I suspect that most would just say the "miracle of modern medicine"...wouldn't you?
Actually there were those close to me who did want me to claim a miracle. And I struggled with it to the point that when asked to testify in church concerning the whole ordeal, I gave some waffleing answer like when we get to heaven we'll know for sure...or something like that.
We're totally in agreement in that many would say "the miracle of modern medicine". But as several of us have stated, we think that is truly a misuse of the definiton of the term for Chrisitans. It gives too much glory to man IMO.
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Just to clarify; without God would you have survived to the extent that you have? If God took part in the healing was it not supernatural?
Funny you should mention this. To this day (4 yrs later) I still have people ask me about how I'm doing because they know the facts surrounding the accident. One such person came in to me about an hour ago. In our discussion I again reiterated, "I don't know how I ever survived the initial trauma without death or paralysis." But if God took part in the healing then I still have to say it wasn't miraculous...because it was only a "part" and I'm not 100%. I'm going to lean toward the definition of a 'whole' healing as miraculous...simply for sake of 'undeniable recognition'.
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I think someone else had some scars after a miracle; His name was Jesus.
Where could you come up with such a stupid analogy???? Sounds like something that would come from the Spirit of God or something.  Now I'm going to have to rethink at least 'part' of my position. Maybe I'll just wait for Larry to respond first...he's a thinker.
DR
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 12:56:47 PM
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an event or action that apparently contradicts known scientific laws
Larry,
I don't think God does anything that contradicts known scientific laws, only something our finite mines cannot understand.
I bet you are 100% in agreement with my statement.
Bob
Bob,
I disagree. Let's take the examples where God raised people from the dead. Life doesn't come from nonlife and completely dead and decaying things do not spontaneously return to live. We have examples in the NT where that happened. The raising of Lazarus from the dead is one.
How about where Jesus walked on the water? That apparently violates some of the laws of fluids and so forth. The multiplying of the loaves and fishes. It looks like an act of the creation of food from---where?
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 1:56:08 PM
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We're totally in agreement in that many would say "the miracle of modern medicine". But as several of us have stated, we think that is truly a misuse of the definition of the term for Christians. It gives too much glory to man IMO.
It's just a simple function of language. As I understand it, the etymology of our English term "miracle" comes from Latin meaning "wonder." A "medical miracle" is truly a wonder even though it doesn't violate any known scientific laws. But anyway, that's why I continue to stress the meaning of terms in either the broadest sense of the word versus technical definitions. If we aren't clear on what meaning we use, we can become confused.
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But if God took part in the healing then I still have to say it wasn't miraculous...because it was only a "part" and I'm not 100%. I'm going to lean toward the definition of a 'whole' healing as miraculous...simply for sake of 'undeniable recognition'.
I agree with you on the concept of "undeniable recognition." I think that often we all want to sense a closeness to God and to acknowledge His working in our lives. So, we are quick to call something a miracle and become insulted when someone questions it. Sometimes, there is ego involved. In any event, we cannot always say whether or not an event involved His special attention. But if someone says God told them the event was directly God's doing, how would we know since we don't have any independent objective way of determining whether or not the "revelation" or the "miracle" were truly events from God. BUT--if they violate natural law, clearly and thoroughly, there is no way around it. That's why, if there is another explanation possible, I am quicker to accept that.
BTW, in the OT, there were events where the prophets expressly said God was involved, but no violations of natural law occurred. Therefore, no miracle occurred in the way I am defining it.
With reference to RC's statement about scars, Him4All said:quote:
Where could you come up with such a stupid analogy???? Sounds like something that would come from the Spirit of God or something. Now I'm going to have to rethink at least 'part' of my position. Maybe I'll just wait for Larry to respond first...he's a thinker.
I appreciate the complement. Insofar as Jesus having scars, I keep in mind that His scarring wasn't the miracle and the scars did not discount the miracle. The miracle involved Jesus' resurrection from the dead. The presence of the scars in the case of the poster wouldn't necessarily discount a miracle either, IMHO. That's why my question was a request for clarification.
But the presence of the scars begs the question as to whether or not there was any miracle involved.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 2:04:01 PM
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What are the differances between signs, wonders and Miracles?
I looked up the words in the Greek and I cannot find any clearcut distinction between miracles versus signs and wonders.
The Greek word translated "sign" indicates an event that comes from God, whether or not one can say that it violated natural law. For example, the presence of Jesus as a baby, wrapped in swaddling clothes was said to be a sign--as indicated from the angels. But it violated no natural law. Very common situations were said to be signs, but they were signs because they were predicted ahead of time. The observers were told those signs would be an indicated that God was at work.
When I get home, I'll try to look some more. The word for "sign," as I remember was also translated miracle.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 2:27:39 PM
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A Christian should NEVER base his faith and trust upon someone performing miracles, but on the word of God. Many people think the bible is insufficient, so they look towards outside sources. They start putting their faith on people doing miraculous things (ie: Benny Hinn).
“And then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ’; or, ‘Behold, He is there’; do not believe him; for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 “But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance." (Mark 13:22)
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 3:17:57 PM
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You can call me delusional but I think we are looking at what God does in our life in the wrong way. It seems to me that we tend to deny the actions that God takes in our everyday life and just accept what happens as normal. Saying; well the medicine took care of that problem, or I was really lucky that I didn’t have that wreck; not understanding that God placed that medicine in our path or changed our course just enough to prevent that wreck.
I can think of three times just last week that there were thoughts that occurred in my mind that changed my actions and prevented something bad from happening. These are thoughts that appear and go against the grain of my normal thoughts. In all three cases it was somewhat a glance into the future by some outside force that allowed me to alter my action.
This has happened many times in my life but I’m just now becoming aware of them. I’ll describe one of the latest; in watching the championship between KU and Memphis, in the last 2 min’s and KU was down 9 points, I was thinking this thing is over and KU has lost. Suddenly a thought hit me” DON’T WORRY”. The thought was loud and strong enough that I accepted it as fact; KU would somehow win the game. From that point on it was just a matter of trying to figure out how it would happen.
Call me crazy but I’m past the point of denying these happenings…I accept them as being directions from some source of God;
And to which of the angels has he ever said, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"? Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation? Heb 1:13-14
I am convinced that God takes care of those who belong to him or those who will.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 3:50:27 PM
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You can call me delusional but I think we are looking at what God does in our life in the wrong way. It seems to me that we tend to deny the actions that God takes in our everyday life and just accept what happens as normal. Saying; well the medicine took care of that problem, or I was really lucky that I didn’t have that wreck; not understanding that God placed that medicine in our path or changed our course just enough to prevent that wreck.
Bob,
I'm not denying God's work in our lives. We are merely discussing whether or not these things can be deemed miracles. Sometimes God manipulates things so that the seemingly natural course of events accomplishes the things we ask for in prayer. To acknowledge the role of medicine, good people, doctors or other things doesn't have to take away from God's glory.
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This has happened many times in my life but I’m just now becoming aware of them. I’ll describe one of the latest; in watching the championship between KU and Memphis, in the last 2 min’s and KU was down 9 points, I was thinking this thing is over and KU has lost. Suddenly a thought hit me” DON’T WORRY”. The thought was loud and strong enough that I accepted it as fact; KU would somehow win the game. From that point on it was just a matter of trying to figure out how it would happen.
Call me crazy but I’m past the point of denying these happenings…I accept them as being directions from some source of God;
Those are the sorts of things that people accept as a given that "God spoke to [them]." Often, the results are contradictory and if we take them all at face value, God must be schizophrenic because God is telling different people completely different things.
If God really were speaking to all of these people, you would think that He would help resolve some of these serious doctrinal issues rather than predicting the results of sports contests.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 5:40:58 PM
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Well, Godhead, I don't know what to say.
Yes, we are refined through trials, and yes we are to count it all joy when we encounter them and trust God to see us through them in His way, but I do wish you would quote the Scripture that say we are specifically to seek these.
Are we to assume that you are poor, homeless and being pursued by those bent on doing you harm?
Ps103, I love your answers.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 5:58:55 PM
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You can call me delusional but I think we are looking at what God does in our life in the wrong way... Call me crazy but I’m past the point of denying these happenings…I accept them as being directions from some source of God;
Bob,
I won't call you crazy or delusional, since that could be perceived as a violation of CW's TOS. But I will tell you this, I cannot take your claim seriously.
Typically, as human beings we minimize or deny the times when those "voices" that don't work out but we take serious note of the times when they do. I have, as well as others have had times when I thought God had communicated to me. Believe me, they were embarrassing. But the results were never consistent.
I will believe God has spoken to someone when they confirm it with signs or miracles.
Hebrews 2: ...[the word] was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard, 4 while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. (ESV)
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 6:01:00 PM
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What are the differances between signs, wonders and Miracles?
I looked up the words in the Greek and I cannot find any clearcut distinction between miracles versus signs and wonders.
Is the term "signs" as used to describe the events that proceed the eschaton different in the Greek?
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 9:30:44 PM
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I won't call you crazy or delusional, since that could be perceived as a violation of CW's TOS. But I will tell you this; I cannot take your claim seriously.
So…my options are:
Crazy
Delusional
Vivid imagination
Lying
Possessed
None of the above
I was hesitant to even bring the subject up because those who have never experienced this refuse to believe. My whole point it telling the story is... if you learned to listen to the quite voice of God or maybe an angel, you have the same ability as I do at odd times. If it had appeared to happen only once or twice I wouldn’t believe it my self and the first few times it happened I didn’t. I consider this a similar to a miracle but if you don’t accept miracles happen today there certainly would be no reason to believe my story.
Actually the first time it occurred that it really got my attention was when my mother was very sick with extremely high blood pressure and her doctor was out of town. Not knowing what to do as I traveled across town to her aid, I was praying for guidance and help. This quite voice begin to give me instructions how to proceed. It was to “call this certain doctor” and my reaction was “that won’t work because he is only in town once a week and even if this was the day we couldn’t get in”. Back came the following instructions; “yes he is there and he will see your mother, call him”. Well I did and he was and within 20 minutes she was being examined. Now if this is my vivid imagination I’m going to learn to live with it because it sure is beneficial.
Bob
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 10:14:00 PM
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Miracles (apart from signs and wonders), on the other hand, are daily direct interventions of God in answer to prayer, e.g. "the prayer of faith SHALL heal the sick" (Jas. 5:15) because "the effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much" (Jas. 5:16).
Ezra,
Where did you get your definition?
miracle: "...an event or action that apparently contradicts known scientific laws and is hence thought thought to be due to supernatural causes, esp. and act of God... (Webster's New World College Dictionary, Fourth Edition)
My definition is the same as Webster's just worded differently. A "supernatural cause" or an "act of God" is the same as "direct interventions of God". Believe it.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 10:16:11 PM
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Larry
It's funny that I got a call this afternoon from an insurance man about a policy matter, and in our course of conversation he brought up on his own a certain lady they had been ministering to. He said she had a 2 year old that had been born with (I believe) two holes in her heart. This lady is not even a believer. But when the child reached the age to have her surgery, the doctors went in and said the holes were COMPLETELY healed. The DR said that there's no way he missed this diagnosis and he couldn't give an explanation for the healing. This is something that's verifiable with before/after tests. Would something like this fit your definition of a miraculous healing? Maybe God is trying to get this family's attention?
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/10/2008 10:17:18 PM
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Ezra
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I looked up the words in the Greek and I cannot find any clearcut distinction between miracles versus signs and wonders.
You won't find the distinction in a dictionary. But you will find it in Scripture. Signs and wonders accompany prophets and apostles.
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And whosoever will, let him take the Water of Life freely. Revelation 22:17
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Probably will reveal the difference between a head and a heart answer. 
