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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 4:19:01 PM
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It would appear that Satan can also perform miracles. It is stated he will do so in the latter days so I would assume he has that power today. I would assume that this ability would also transfer to the lesser fallen angels. One has to wonder how many miracles have been preformed that would lead people in a wrong direction, misdirecting their attention from the one true God.
I'm not saying the miracle cited by you RC is such but it is just a question in general.
Bob
And I am not questioning nor chiding you. just asking why when somthing good is done in a miraculuos manner that folks immediately want to credit the devil instead of God.
I thind the referrences that you refer too in Scriputre are towards the end times (which might be now) when satan is trying to imitate God to gain control.
So if that is the case should not satan or the person in league with satan be lookiing for the glory or recognition to elevate themselves.(maybe like the TV hucksters).
When most of the miracluluos things that I happen to have knowledge of have been done by God through humble no name Believers who just have faith in God to perform his Word. No Glory, no newspaper stories, no money collected, no promotions, just folks being obedient to God's Word.
And that just might be the reason most folks claim theu have never heard of a miracle. Remember That Jesus mostly told the folks he healed not to even speak of it.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 4:36:07 PM
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I did quite a bit of speed reading to get through many of the comments. Admitedly, some I just scanned. However, I got the gist of this thread. Furthermore, I've been in Christian circles long enough to hear all the diverse viewpoints.
With that said, let me first state that I am not a Charismatic Pentecostal. However, I don't need to be one in order to believe in miracles and healings. Sometimes we humans make things more complicated than we need to. I think that is the case with this particular subject.
Now, I will tell you a story, which will include a testimony as regards healings/miracles. Many years ago, when I had been a Christian for only a few months, I experienced something which I would say was supernatural. Mind you, at this time I knew very little Scripture, and didn't know about all the controversy that exists within Christianity, especially regarding this topic.
One day while at work during the busy rush hour, I was serving hot, very hot food to customers. At one point, while in an attempt to serve as many customers as expeditiously as possible, I burnt my hand very badly. So badly that another co-worker had to take my place.
Now being the naive Christian that I was at the time (  ), rather than immediately get ice, I knelt behind the counter and began to pray and ask Jesus to heal me. The pain was excruciating. After praying for about 5 minutes, my boss came up to me. She grabbed my hand, looked at it and said, "We need to get your hands in ice right away." By that time, there were several swollen blisters all over my hand. So into the ice my hand went for about 2-3 minutes.
However, the damage had already been done. When I took it out, the swollen blisters were still present. Being the naive Christian that I was at the time, I chose to stay at work, while in extreme pain. I kept putting ice on my hand, but it melted quickly. Eventually I put a cold, wet cloth around my hand. The whole afternoon I kept praying for Jesus to take the pain away. Oddly enough, very few customers came for the remainder of my shift.
While walking home and praying, I began to notice that the pain was subsiding. As I looked down at my hand, I witnessed to my astonishment, the last blister disappearing from my hand. Even as I tell this story, it's as if it happened yesterday.
I knew none of the controversy or various interpretations to proove or disproove miracles/healings. All I could say with child like faith is, "The Lord Jesus healed me and took the blisters and pain away." Not unlike the man in St. John''s gospel who said, "One thing I know, that though I was blind, now I see." I had simple faith just like this man and the Lord in His love, chose to heal me. Simple, very simple.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 4:56:30 PM
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The example I gave of being healed was just my first experience. Since then, I have encountered healings for myself, and have witnessed them in the lives of others.
About 12 years ago, I went to the doctor because I felt lumps in my breast. One was so large it could be seen, which prevented me from wearing blouses made with certain kinds of material.
I went to the doctor and after he examined me, he confirmed I had several lumps. He took an x-ray and said for me to come back in a few days and he would take a biopsy. He said that because of the location of the lumps, and that they were causing me pain, he didn't think they were cancerous. But he wanted to know for sure.
For the next several days I prayed earnestly for Jesus to heal me of these painful lumps. My husband, as well as other brethren in the Lord, prayed in agreement.
The day of the doctor's visit arrived and I was very concerned what the outcome would be. The doctor told me he wanted to examine me one more time. As he did, he had this perplexed look on his face. He said he wasn't able to find any of the lumps that had been there previously. He wanted to make sure, so he took an x-ray. Indeed, the lumps were gone.
Who can explain it? All I know is that Jesus is the Healer, the Great Physician, and He is still healing people today.
BTW, I've known several women who had cysts on their ovaries, and went back to the doctor to have them removed. Only for the doctor to discover that they were were gone.
No one will be able to convince me that healings and miracles have ceased. I've encountered too much that shows otherwise. And for those of you who do not believe...what can I say? I know not what to say.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 6:16:14 PM
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So, have you seen anybody raised from the dead? I'm not saying He cannot. You misunderstood my point. I'm saying that, for whatever reasons, He isn't in modern times.
There was a baby that had been dead for two days in La Union, Tamps, Mexico in 1987. The flies were crawling in and out of her mouth (probably laying maggot eggs). The baby was anointed with oil and the prayer of faith offerd. That baby in now teaching Sunday School in the village and is engaged to be married.
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I can't wait for the evidence that will back that up.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 6:57:23 PM
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As 1love1God1way points out, a wicked and idolatrious generation seeks a sign. That said, those who seek to do away with the "old" for the "new" leave the door open for this kind of skepticism. If Adonai decided that forever only means until I change my mind, then why can't He change His mind again and throw out all of those "new testiment" things that people love to cling to.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 7:34:07 PM
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I can't wait for the evidence that will back that up.
Well since you stated you did not believe the Bible (because the Word of God had been corrupted by man), how in the world would you believe anything else?
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 9:28:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: cow451 So, have you seen anybody raised from the dead? I'm not saying He cannot. You misunderstood my point. I'm saying that, for whatever reasons, He isn't in modern times.
There was a baby that had been dead for two days in La Union, Tamps, Mexico in 1987. The flies were crawling in and out of her mouth (probably laying maggot eggs). The baby was anointed with oil and the prayer of faith offerd. That baby in now teaching Sunday School in the village and is engaged to be married.
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I can't wait for the evidence that will back that up.
wake up and smell the tulips, cow451 u2 Godhead
dead raised praying christian doctor
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=bfa9c485bf5e48a42d1a
dead raised praying grandma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OmmZnO_dMA&feature=related
raised dead baby knows it is God, good child like faith example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCqZmg8hsNs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp0EQA_Qfy8&feature=related
this above is not dead raised, i just like it alot thought i'd share deaf girl healed
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 9:46:31 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly, but its being able to discern one from the other. In all my years I have never seen one miracle in the church. Although I have been around Christians who believe for a miracle and talk about them. Don't you think that it is a concern when the bible says, "And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the miracles which were given to it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the wound by a sword and lived. " (Rev 13:14)
Now you claim that there is a great outpouring of the holy spirit in the church, but I am not seeing it with my eyes. I am just hearing it with my ears. Nothing is happening in the church other then babbling tongues, slaying in the spirit and holy laughter. none of which is in the New Testament. these things are obviously false signs and wonders and if you cannot discern that, how will you be able to resist the Son of perdition when he comes. Christians who are involved with these false signs and wonders are playing a very dangerous game. Your interpretation of scripture is wrong. No matter what you claim you cannot say that, "The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear; the dead are raised." (Mat 11:5) So any sane person would have to stand back and say, "Well how come these things are not happening, and why are all these other things that are not recorded in the New Testament are." no matter what you say, no matter what you claim, the great outpouring of the holy spirit in the New Testament is not happening today. How can you even suggest that the minuscule supernatural things happening today are associated with the Holy Spirit.
Paul said that these things would cease, and they have. Its the truth that matters and not miracles. They served for a time to establish the truth but we have it now, and yet that for most is not good enough. " because they did not receive the love of the truth." (2Th 2:10) It is a love for the supernatural that they have, not the truth. That is being fulfilled today, right this very second. Do you realize what is at stake here. Why do you think that the son of perdition will be able to deceive them. These things will sound out for all eternity, we are playing for keeps and having a multitude of Christians who agree wont amount to a single speck of sand on the day of judgement. No matter what I say you will not listen. You cannot show me any great works and so you have no foundation for what you claim. I have tried my best and yet that is no where good enough to persuade you.
Paul said "when that which is perfect is come they will cease"
Jesus said matt 24:14 in the end times the exact same gospel of the kingdom , He preached, would be preached what was the gospel of the kingdom he preached and did, search the scriptures the answer is there.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 9:56:59 PM
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Since some of the folks who claim to perform miracles in the name of Jesus are true Christians; are we not all associanted with them.
Lets say for example: I see John Doe walking around performing miracles and claming it is from God. Does that mean I am associated with him? How do you know whether his miraculous powers are coming from Satan or by God?
what would Jesus say??
mark9:38And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40For he that is not against us is on our part.
a kingdom divided can not stand, not really funny but some of us got more bullet holes in the back, then firey darts stuck to the shield in front, but we forgive you.
so is the miracle done in the name of Jesus, should be your proof, and yes God does answer my faith filled prayer, we do have a miracle working God.
hope that answers your question faithfulservant1
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 10:23:05 PM
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I suspect that most non-charismatics believe that God heals today, most often providentially (through medicine or natural processes), but occasionally through direct intervention. But that is different than the gift of healing as a sign or miracle. In the New Testament we see that God gave certain men the power to heal people in the name of Jesus. I think there are multiple reasons for thinking that he does not do that today. Two of them:
1. CHURCH HISTORY tells us that miracles were not done in the early church after the New Testament period. B. B. Warfield writes about the ending of miracles after the Apostolic period in his book, Miracles : Yesterday and Today. Concerning the second century he writes, “The writings of the so-called Apostolic Fathers contain no clear and certain allusion to miracle-working or to the exercise of the charismatic gifts, contemporaneous with themselves.” Concerning the third century he says, “and so we pass on to the fourth century in an ever-increasing stream, but without a single writer having claimed himself to have wrought a miracle of any kind or having ascribed miracle-working to any known name in the church, and without a single instance having been recorded in detail” (p. 12).
About AD 392 Augustine asked, “Why do not these things take place now?” His answer: “Because they would not move unless they were wonderful, and if they were customary they would not be wonderful. . . God has dealt wisely with us, therefore, in sending his miracles once for all to convince the world, depending afterward on the authority of the multitudes thus convinced.”
Chrysostom wrote in the fourth century, “Argue not because miracles do not happen now, that they did not happen then . . . In those times they were profitable, and now they are not . . . Of miraculous powers, not even a vestige is left.”
2. MIRACLES HAVE BEEN RARE throughout history. “God has wisely protected the significance of miracles in history by the rarity of their occurrence, even in Bible Times. Enoch’s translation was the only recorded miracle in over 1,700 years between Adam and the Flood. For centuries Israel suffered in Egypt with no special voice from heaven. Only rarely did a miracle occur during the centuries from Joshua to David. And God protected the absolute uniqueness of His Son’s miraculous ministry by withholding all miracles for centuries beforehand--even from John the Baptist, the forerunner himself (John 11:41).” (Quoted from John C. Whitcomb, “Does God want Christians to perform Miracles Today?” p. 5)
We know that there will be another period of miracles, this one associated with the end times. "The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders..." (2 Thess 2:9).
Jesus said in Matt 7:22-23 that MANY will do miracles in his name who are not even saved.
thanks for the reffrence to matt 7:22-23, please reread those verses and understand this, Jesus did not say they did miracles in his name Jesus said they themselves claimed to have done miracles in his name, not that they actually did any miracles so i would ask, why did they make claims to having done any miracles in Jesus name, because those with Jesus did them.
Daily some are becoming disciples in the name of Christ…..who are also receiving gifts, each as he is worth. These are illuminated through the name of this Christ. For one receives the Spirit of understanding, another of counsel, another of strength, another of healing. justin martyr (c160, e)1.214
Those who are truly his disciples, receive grace from him,….perform works in his name, in order to promote the welfare of others, according to the gift that each one has received from Him. Some truly and certinally cast out devils. The result is that those who have been cleansed from evil spirits frequently both believe and join themselves to the church…still others heal the sick by laying their hands upon them, and the sick are made whole. What is more, as I have said, even the dead have been raised up and remained among us for years. What more can I say? it is not possible to name the number of gifts which the church throughout the whole world has received from God, in the name of Jesus Christ. irenaeus (c180, e/w) 1.409
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/28/2008 11:10:14 PM
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And I am not questioning nor chiding you. just asking why when somthing good is done in a miraculuos manner that folks immediately want to credit the devil instead of God.
And that just might be the reason most folks claim theu have never heard of a miracle. Remember That Jesus mostly told the folks he healed not to even speak of it.
Thanks
RC
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granted rc alot of times Jesus told them not to speak of it, but alot of times he did it right in front of the religous folk to get there dandruff up. religous folk back then hated seeing people healed on the sabbath
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/29/2008 12:14:28 AM
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just asking why when somthing good is done in a miraculuos manner that folks immediately want to credit the devil instead of God.
Because the same unbelief that destroyed Israel has crept into the churches and destroyed faith in the Living God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you do not expect miracles, you will never experience or observe miracles. This is a fundamental truth of Christ.
Christianity and Christendom are full of unbelief, as was Israel even while God did miracles for it every day in the wilderness.
No doubt there are false prophets, and false apostles, and false miracle workers.
That in no way detracts from the fact that God does miracles every day, and more than we could know or count. These are generally in answer to prayer, but sometimes God is gracious even to those who do not seek His help.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/29/2008 8:54:47 AM
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just asking why when somthing good is done in a miraculuos manner that folks immediately want to credit the devil instead of God.
Because the same unbelief that destroyed Israel has crept into the churches and destroyed faith in the Living God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
If you do not expect miracles, you will never experience or observe miracles. This is a fundamental truth of Christ.
Christianity and Christendom are full of unbelief, as was Israel even while God did miracles for it every day in the wilderness.
No doubt there are false prophets, and false apostles, and false miracle workers.
That in no way detracts from the fact that God does miracles every day, and more than we could know or count. These are generally in answer to prayer, but sometimes God is gracious even to those who do not seek His help.
Excellent post Ezra.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/29/2008 11:49:02 AM
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If you do not expect miracles, you will never experience or observe miracles. This is a fundamental truth of Christ.
Good thing Moses didn't know about that. When Jesus healed the blind man (John 9), the blind man did not know who He was. The blind man testified that he only knew that he was blind, but now could see. As with other miracles, they are for the purpose of teaching spiritual truths.
Miracles in the Bible were:
Clearly evident
Instantaneous or time specific (e.g., Creation)
Served a clear purpose
Clearly impossible by natural law
The examples (of miracles) that people give today fail in at least one area. RC's example of the dead child comes from eyewitnesses. Eyewitnesses are the weakest evidence (ask any lawyer). Why would a dead baby be left lying around for two days. The individual (that was raised from the dead) would, of course, have to rely on the accounts of others as to what happened.
Notice how many of the examples people give are from remote areas involving superstitious populations. Or, perhaps they happen in these areas because this is the type of sign primitive people would need.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/29/2008 2:07:11 PM
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If you do not expect miracles, you will never experience or observe miracles. This is a fundamental truth of Christ.
Good thing Moses didn't know about that. When Jesus healed the blind man (John 9), the blind man did not know who He was. The blind man testified that he only knew that he was blind, but now could see. As with other miracles, they are for the purpose of teaching spiritual truths.
Miracles in the Bible were:
Clearly evident
Instantaneous or time specific (e.g., Creation)
Served a clear purpose
Clearly impossible by natural law
The examples (of miracles) that people give today fail in at least one area. RC's example of the dead child comes from eyewitnesses. Eyewitnesses are the weakest evidence (ask any lawyer). Why would a dead baby be left lying around for two days. The individual (that was raised from the dead) would, of course, have to rely on the accounts of others as to what happened.
Notice how many of the examples people give are from remote areas involving superstitious populations. Or, perhaps they happen in these areas because this is the type of sign primitive people would need.
Cow you are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how flawed it might be.
I just do not understand how folks who believe in God, heaven, etc. immediately want to credit the devil or deny altogether things of God.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/29/2008 4:12:42 PM
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If you do not expect miracles, you will never experience or observe miracles. This is a fundamental truth of Christ.
Good thing Moses didn't know about that. When Jesus healed the blind man (John 9), the blind man did not know who He was. The blind man testified that he only knew that he was blind, but now could see. As with other miracles, they are for the purpose of teaching spiritual truths.
Miracles in the Bible were:
Clearly evident
Instantaneous or time specific (e.g., Creation)
Served a clear purpose
Clearly impossible by natural law
The examples (of miracles) that people give today fail in at least one area. RC's example of the dead child comes from eyewitnesses. Eyewitnesses are the weakest evidence (ask any lawyer). Why would a dead baby be left lying around for two days. The individual (that was raised from the dead) would, of course, have to rely on the accounts of others as to what happened.
Notice how many of the examples people give are from remote areas involving superstitious populations. Or, perhaps they happen in these areas because this is the type of sign primitive people would need.
Cow you are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how flawed it might be.
I just do not understand how folks who believe in God, heaven, etc. immediately want to credit the devil or deny altogether things of God.
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First, I have NEVER "credited the devil" or denied "altogether things of God". To say so is either dishonest or you simply don't read posts very thoroughly.
BTW, Jesus was known throughout Syria (Matthew 4:24) for healing, contrary to your argument that healing is to be kept quiet. I left that out of a response to one of your other posts.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 4/29/2008 5:08:48 PM
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First, I have NEVER "credited the devil" or denied "altogether things of God". To say so is either dishonest or you simply don't read posts very thoroughly.
BTW, Jesus was known throughout Syria (Matthew 4:24) for healing, contrary to your argument that healing is to be kept quiet. I left that out of a response to one of your other posts.
Take a deep breath cow, don't go into apoplexy over this discussion.
I did not say you were attributing healing to the devil, but others on the thread have.
Would you like for me to list the times where Christ told those he healed not to speak of it.
Again, What guide do you use to believe what you want to out of Scripture (Salvation for example), and disbelieve Scripture in other areas like promised healing?
I would really like to try and understand your truth-o-meter system for the New Testament.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 5/3/2008 7:25:24 PM
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Godhead wrote: God knows who we are and what we are. He does not expect us to do miracles. He does not expect us to walk on water, or fly through the air like angels. He has given us Ten specific and easy to understand rules to govern our lives in regards to Him and ourselves and each other. It is better to obey them then to move mountains or part the seas. Miracles delivered the Hebrew Children from the slavery of Egypt. The Ten commandments will show us the sins that enslave us that we may endeavor to break its bond. Miracles do not do that. It is a true miracle when a person repents of a sin. These are the kind of miracles that God wants to see in his Church and the ones we should want to see in our lives.
Hear what the Spirit is Saying Unto the Congregation. And not the presumptuous reasoning of the letter of the Law for perfection (maturity).
2 Peter 1
3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
2 Corinthians 7
1Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 5/5/2008 7:00:09 PM
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The greatest thing that Jesus has done is give himself up to be a sacrifice for the atonement of our sins. This is a work that is for all generations. A fare greater thing then healing the lame, sick or disabled. We have the Gospel, a fare greater work then the miraculous.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 5/5/2008 7:33:22 PM
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rcjames
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The greatest thing that Jesus has done is give himself up to be a sacrifice for the atonement of our sins. This is a work that is for all generations. A fare greater thing then healing the lame, sick or disabled. We have the Gospel, a fare greater work then the miraculous.
I certainly do not disagree with you here, but do you deny the miraculous as some on this thread.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 5/6/2008 3:15:52 PM
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cow451
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Another example of hjow wrong I must be. Miraculous healings. Thousands flocking to Florida, many receiving miraculous healing. LINK
"Participants leave believing they are truly healed.."
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RE: Miracles are Past - 5/6/2008 3:22:37 PM
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1love1God1way
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Another example of hjow wrong I must be. Miraculous healings. Thousands flocking to Florida, many receiving miraculous healing. LINK
"Participants leave believing they are truly healed.."
False revivals are not proof that true miracles do not happen.
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RE: Miracles are Past - 5/6/2008 3:23:23 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: cow451
Another example of hjow wrong I must be. Miraculous healings. Thousands flocking to Florida, many receiving miraculous healing. LINK
"Participants leave believing they are truly healed.."
False revivals are not proof that true miracles do not happen.
And how do you know it's false?
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RE: Miracles are Past - 5/6/2008 3:24:55 PM
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1love1God1way
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way
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ORIGINAL: cow451
Another example of hjow wrong I must be. Miraculous healings. Thousands flocking to Florida, many receiving miraculous healing. LINK
"Participants leave believing they are truly healed.."
False revivals are not proof that true miracles do not happen.
And how do you know it's false?
Granted, there are people that are truly seeking after God there, and some are probably truly being healed. . .
However, if you view the teachings of Todd Bentley, and then compare them to Scripture, you will see what I mean.
But, we have a thread dedicated for that in the Church folder.
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