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Look. Start thinking like the founding fathers. Government is the enemy. No single President has done more damage to America than GWB and company. He has spent more money than the last 5 presidents combined....there is nothing conservative (fiscally or otherwise) about him or the administration. Ask his brothers...especially Neil, whoring around in eastern Europe after raping America first - of course Daddy bailed him out. You can deceive yourself by buying into party politics, but it's a sham my friend!! There is nothing "Christian" or "More Christian" about either party.

Who is worse between Obama and Clinton...let's throw in McCain also.

Answer: They're all bad!....especially Clinton and McCain. McCain has gotten a lot of mileage out of his "Hotel" stay....but come on. His SERVICE TO AMERICA was about like John Kerry's and GWB's (or Dick Cheney, Clinton's and Rummy) = NO SERVICE. Wake up people. Let's take our country back - stop letting these people take from you.

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I can’t say any one candidate ‘scares’ me; God is ultimately in control of such things, and the most powerful kings that ever existed were not beyond God’s power to direct as He wished for His purposes.

I am concerned for the direction of this country though, from the least office to the most powerful, that we no longer have a moral compass, or any wisdom when it comes to history or the spiritual and philosophical foundations of our country and culture.

Unlike many others I don’t fear that some totalitarian will attempt to wrest control of our government, but that we will invite the state into every aspect of our lives because we no longer have the will or fortitude or wisdom to maintain our lives, our families, or our communities in any sustainable manner. Indeed, it will probably be fear that will do us in – fear of sickness, fear of poverty, fear of crime, fear of chaos. Unable any longer to do anything of substance for ourselves, we will gladly hand the reigns off to those we hope will do the work for us.

Bearing that in mind, I find Obama to be the most calculating in this regard; this is exactly the ‘hope’ he is selling, and he has been looking forward to this day for a long, long time.

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But it's not in the Bible that we should, could, or have to.

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McCain scares me the most because I have a son in Iraq and I want him to come back and never go over there again. (Here comes the "He volunteered, that's his job, bla, bla bla..." save it please).

- Julius

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Answer: They're all bad!....especially Clinton and McCain. McCain has gotten a lot of mileage out of his "Hotel" stay....but come on. His SERVICE TO AMERICA was about like John Kerry's and GWB's (or Dick Cheney, Clinton's and Rummy) = NO SERVICE. Wake up people. Let's take our country back - stop letting these people take from you.

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Julius,

Tell your son that he has a whole group of internet nuts praying for his safety. Tell him we appreciate what he is doing.

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McCain scares me the most because I have a son in Iraq and I want him to come back and never go over there again. (Here comes the "He volunteered, that's his job, bla, bla bla..." save it please).

- Julius

That has to be so scary! When is he due to come home? My husband was in the military during rough times too. I know the yeah he joined on his own but that does not take away the fear somthing will happen to him. I hate to say it but I was so relieved when I found out my husband did not have enough time left on his contract to get sent overseas. I hope you son come home safe and sound.

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Thanks.
He's due to come back to his base in England in July, so it's only a few more months. He's getting married in August and my wife and I are flying to England then. He's in the air force at Kirkuk Air Base in northern Iraq.

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BO scares me more than any of them. I don't like the LIE that surrounds him. He appeals to Christians, Moslems, and Atheists, and of course New AGers-Oprah.

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He says he was an athiest until almost 30 years old.

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A true Christian is not gonna make New AGers or Atheist or Moslems feel good about their religion.

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His Church, oh my gosh, It is based on James Cone book. Who says some crazy things about Black vs Whites. Yes, we know that the DNA says we come from Tanzania. Anybody reading the Bible honestly knows that we were Black First. I also know there are racist people all over( I used to be a big racist) but we are to base our Christianity on our color? I don't see that anywhere in the Bible.

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I have yet to hear a speech where he is talking to AA audiences where I feel comfortable. He seems Bill Cosbyish to me. He himself is black and white, but not really a AA like me and my family.

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I have a sister that thinks he is the beast described in Rev 13. The one coming speaking great words, and blashepmy against God. Who will be a given a time of 42 months. I'm not sure yet.

He just doesnt sit well with me as a Christian. Everything looks good, but if you scratch the surface.......

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I have yet to hear a speech where he is talking to AA audiences where I feel comfortable. He seems Bill Cosbyish to me. He himself is black and white, but not really a AA like me and my family.

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I have yet to hear a speech where he is talking to AA audiences where I feel comfortable. He seems Bill Cosbyish to me. He himself is black and white, but not really a AA like me and my family.

Of course the following is not on topic but I was reminded of the fact that John Kerry's wife Theresa is also African American... Source here.

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I have yet to hear a speech where he is talking to AA audiences where I feel comfortable. He seems Bill Cosbyish to me. He himself is black and white, but not really a AA like me and my family.

Of course the following is not on topic but I was reminded of the fact that John Kerry's wife Theresa is also African American... Source here.

I do know that Theresa Kerry is a certifies fruitcake, this other is news to me.

Thsnks
RC

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McCain scares me the most because I have a son in Iraq and I want him to come back and never go over there again. (Here comes the "He volunteered, that's his job, bla, bla bla..." save it please).

- Julius

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McCain scares me the most because I have a son in Iraq and I want him to come back and never go over there again. (Here comes the "He volunteered, that's his job, bla, bla bla..." save it please).

- Julius

McCain has a son that recently graduated. He's in the Marines and has served at least one tour already. McCain is a patriot. He knows that the war goes beyond his personal interest, that America's policies should not be determined by his own personal loss or gain.

It's not McCain's fault your son volunteered. He did it of his own free will.

It's interesting that you want to change America's policy to protect your son, but deny protection to countless unborn children. They are not any less valuable than you, I or your son.

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Gee. Aren't we glad you're not running for President. :-) There are major issues with your response and if what you believe is how people vote, no wonder we're in the shape we're in.

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BO scares me more than any of them. I don't like the LIE that surrounds him. He appeals to Christians, Moslems, and Atheists, and of course New AGers-Oprah.

Hmmm. So, as an elected PUBLIC official, the President should discriminate, be prejudice, and judge based on religion? That doesn't sound like what the Constitution suggested. In this county we have freedom of religion. The leader of this country should embrace that right for all and not publicly alienate or condemn one religion over the other. After all, we're not voting a pastor into office, he/she will be a public servant. We have laws that protect and respect ALL citizens. Recall that the Bible says to love our neighbors and pray for them. Last time I checked, love includes respect even though you may disagree.

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He says he was an athiest until almost 30 years old.

I have no idea why you made that statement. As if to say one has to be saved before they are old enough to walk to be considered a true Christian. Recall that even Paul was a MURDERER of Christians before his conversion. Oh, and that thief on the cross. Remember him? Converted the day he died.

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A true Christian is not gonna make New AGers or Atheist or Moslems feel good about their religion.

Ever heard of respect and inclusion? Sure, we'd wish the whole country was Christian. But that is not so. Let us respect others and in doing so, show them the love of Christ. Pray for them and treat them with kindness and you may win them over to Christ. Condemning someone never did anything for the kingdom. Condemn sin and lack of knowledge, not the person. We don't have that power. Only God can condemn a person's soul.

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His Church, oh my gosh, It is based on James Cone book. Who says some crazy things about Black vs Whites. Yes, we know that the DNA says we come from Tanzania. Anybody reading the Bible honestly knows that we were Black First. I also know there are racist people all over( I used to be a big racist) but we are to base our Christianity on our color? I don't see that anywhere in the Bible.

Let the man speak for himself. Never have I seen such blind assumptions and faulty leaps of logic before. I don't agree with everything my pastor or even my church does. It's called having our own mind, reasoning, and will. We're not robots. Neither is Obama. I'm sure he can think and speak for himself regardless of what you think his church or pastor is about. And even then, you haven't had teh opportunity to sit down with the Pastor to understand him. You let the media analyze for you. And even THEY haven't been able to ask him directly.

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I have yet to hear a speech where he is talking to AA audiences where I feel comfortable. He seems Bill Cosbyish to me. He himself is black and white, but not really a AA like me and my family.

This is the most judgmental statement I've read yet. Who are you to judge who is AA and who is not? Who put you in charge of race sociology? Do you even know what being African American means? Of course not. Trust me, 50 years ago, there'd be no question what race he belonged to. Being African American is just as much about being a race of people who were persecuted in this country than it is about every one of your ancestors being traced back to Africa. I have white and Indian ancestors in my family and I'm every bit AA than Jesse Jackson or MLK. Hmmm. Or am I? If he's not AA and he's not white, then you tell me what he is. Are there different degrees of AA?

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I have a sister that thinks he is the beast described in Rev 13. The one coming speaking great words, and blashepmy against God. Who will be a given a time of 42 months. I'm not sure yet.

He just doesnt sit well with me as a Christian. Everything looks good, but if you scratch the surface.......

Hmmmm. And we blast Obama's pastor for half-baked theories and beliefs. I see. So, it's okay for us to make wild theories based on misinterpretations of scripture because we can say it is written in the Bible? That's worse if you ask me.

Oh, by the way, so much for Bush, the Great Christian Hope. Evangelicals and Christian conservatives voted for him in droves. And look where we are. If there were any title of beast to assign to anyone, and I do think that is tragic to label someone a beast when we don't know them personally, wouldn't you think the consensus would point to Bush other than Obama? I mean the devil's strength is lies and trickery right? Bush had all Christians hoodwinked don't ya think? But for some reason, Obama scares you. Wow. While Bush was sweet-talking us about pro-life, marriage amendment, and creation vs. evolution, he was mucking everything else up.

Maybe we should be more scared of voters like you.

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His Church, oh my gosh, It is based on James Cone book. Who says some crazy things about Black vs Whites. Yes, we know that the DNA says we come from Tanzania. Anybody reading the Bible honestly knows that we were Black First. I also know there are racist people all over( I used to be a big racist) but we are to base our Christianity on our color? I don't see that anywhere in the Bible.

Let the man speak for himself. Never have I seen such blind assumptions and faulty leaps of logic before. I don't agree with everything my pastor or even my church does. It's called having our own mind, reasoning, and will. We're not robots. Neither is Obama. I'm sure he can think and speak for himself regardless of what you think his church or pastor is about. And even then, you haven't had teh opportunity to sit down with the Pastor to understand him. You let the media analyze for you. And even THEY haven't been able to ask him directly.

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This is the most judgmental statement I've read yet. Who are you to judge who is AA and who is not? Who put you in charge of race sociology?

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Do you even know what being African American means?

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Of course not. Trust me, 50 years ago, there'd be no question what race he belonged to. Being African American is just as much about being a race of people who were persecuted in this country

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Ever heard of respect and inclusion? Sure, we'd wish the whole country was Christian. But that is not so. Let us respect others and in doing so, show them the love of Christ. Pray for them and treat them with kindness and you may win them over to Christ. Condemning someone never did anything for the kingdom. Condemn sin and lack of knowledge, not the person. We don't have that power. Only God can condemn a person's soul.

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than it is about every one of your ancestors being traced back to Africa. I have white and Indian ancestors in my family and I'm every bit AA than Jesse Jackson or MLK. Hmmm. Or am I? If he's not AA and he's not white, then you tell me what he is. Are there different degrees of AA?

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Hmmmm. And we blast Obama's pastor for half-baked theories and beliefs. I see. So, it's okay for us to make wild theories based on misinterpretations of scripture because we can say it is written in the Bible? That's worse if you ask me

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Oh, by the way, so much for Bush, the Great Christian Hope. Evangelicals and Christian conservatives voted for him in droves. And look where we are. If there were any title of beast to assign to anyone, and I do think that is tragic to label someone a beast when we don't know them personally, wouldn't you think the consensus would point to Bush other than Obama?

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I mean the devil's strength is lies and trickery right? Bush had all Christians hoodwinked don't ya think?

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But for some reason, Obama scares you. Wow. While Bush was sweet-talking us about pro-life, marriage amendment, and creation vs. evolution, he was mucking everything else up.

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Maybe we should be more scared of voters like you.

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with much respect what you say maybe true in the worlds eyes, but adelphi-sky, we are christians, so of course we think different than the world. we are set apart. I think it is brave of Tracy, though she is AA, and she is not using race to pick her canidate, but what she feels is Christian, you know she catches flack for that, so, even if you do not agree give her an A plus for living what she believes, though people in her on community may be angry at her.

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Gee. Aren't we glad you're not running for President. :-) There are major issues with your response and if what you believe is how people vote, no wonder we're in the shape we're in.

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BO scares me more than any of them. I don't like the LIE that surrounds him. He appeals to Christians, Moslems, and Atheists, and of course New AGers-Oprah.

Hmmm. So, as an elected PUBLIC official, the President should discriminate, be prejudice, and judge based on religion? That doesn't sound like what the Constitution suggested. In this county we have freedom of religion. The leader of this country should embrace that right for all and not publicly alienate or condemn one religion over the other. After all, we're not voting a pastor into office, he/she will be a public servant. We have laws that protect and respect ALL citizens. Recall that the Bible says to love our neighbors and pray for them. Last time I checked, love includes respect even though you may disagree.

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He says he was an athiest until almost 30 years old.

I have no idea why you made that statement. As if to say one has to be saved before they are old enough to walk to be considered a true Christian. Recall that even Paul was a MURDERER of Christians before his conversion. Oh, and that thief on the cross. Remember him? Converted the day he died.

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A true Christian is not gonna make New AGers or Atheist or Moslems feel good about their religion.

Ever heard of respect and inclusion? Sure, we'd wish the whole country was Christian. But that is not so. Let us respect others and in doing so, show them the love of Christ. Pray for them and treat them with kindness and you may win them over to Christ. Condemning someone never did anything for the kingdom. Condemn sin and lack of knowledge, not the person. We don't have that power. Only God can condemn a person's soul.

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His Church, oh my gosh, It is based on James Cone book. Who says some crazy things about Black vs Whites. Yes, we know that the DNA says we come from Tanzania. Anybody reading the Bible honestly knows that we were Black First. I also know there are racist people all over( I used to be a big racist) but we are to base our Christianity on our color? I don't see that anywhere in the Bible.

Let the man speak for himself. Never have I seen such blind assumptions and faulty leaps of logic before. I don't agree with everything my pastor or even my church does. It's called having our own mind, reasoning, and will. We're not robots. Neither is Obama. I'm sure he can think and speak for himself regardless of what you think his church or pastor is about. And even then, you haven't had teh opportunity to sit down with the Pastor to understand him. You let the media analyze for you. And even THEY haven't been able to ask him directly.

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I have yet to hear a speech where he is talking to AA audiences where I feel comfortable. He seems Bill Cosbyish to me. He himself is black and white, but not really a AA like me and my family.

This is the most judgmental statement I've read yet. Who are you to judge who is AA and who is not? Who put you in charge of race sociology? Do you even know what being African American means? Of course not. Trust me, 50 years ago, there'd be no question what race he belonged to. Being African American is just as much about being a race of people who were persecuted in this country than it is about every one of your ancestors being traced back to Africa. I have white and Indian ancestors in my family and I'm every bit AA than Jesse Jackson or MLK. Hmmm. Or am I? If he's not AA and he's not white, then you tell me what he is. Are there different degrees of AA?

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I have a sister that thinks he is the beast described in Rev 13. The one coming speaking great words, and blashepmy against God. Who will be a given a time of 42 months. I'm not sure yet.

He just doesnt sit well with me as a Christian. Everything looks good, but if you scratch the surface.......

Hmmmm. And we blast Obama's pastor for half-baked theories and beliefs. I see. So, it's okay for us to make wild theories based on misinterpretations of scripture because we can say it is written in the Bible? That's worse if you ask me.

Oh, by the way, so much for Bush, the Great Christian Hope. Evangelicals and Christian conservatives voted for him in droves. And look where we are. If there were any title of beast to assign to anyone, and I do think that is tragic to label someone a beast when we don't know them personally, wouldn't you think the consensus would point to Bush other than Obama? I mean the devil's strength is lies and trickery right? Bush had all Christians hoodwinked don't ya think? But for some reason, Obama scares you. Wow. While Bush was sweet-talking us about pro-life, marriage amendment, and creation vs. evolution, he was mucking everything else up.

Maybe we should be more scared of voters like you.

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His Church, oh my gosh, It is based on James Cone book. Who says some crazy things about Black vs Whites. Yes, we know that the DNA says we come from Tanzania. Anybody reading the Bible honestly knows that we were Black First. I also know there are racist people all over( I used to be a big racist) but we are to base our Christianity on our color? I don't see that anywhere in the Bible.

Let the man speak for himself. Never have I seen such blind assumptions and faulty leaps of logic before. I don't agree with everything my pastor or even my church does. It's called having our own mind, reasoning, and will. We're not robots. Neither is Obama. I'm sure he can think and speak for himself regardless of what you think his church or pastor is about. And even then, you haven't had teh opportunity to sit down with the Pastor to understand him. You let the media analyze for you. And even THEY haven't been able to ask him directly.

No that's where your are so wrong! He did give a public interview, it was with Sean Hannity og Fox News. Go watch on it on YouTube. The pastor said his Church was based on Black Liberation Theology. He SAID a book by James Cone written in 1968. Now read that book, or go watch video and still tell me what you believe he said. I go and understand for myself. The media did not analyze it for me. I went and read EVERY word of the Church's website. Before and after they changed it and retired the pastor. We are to test it against the Bible. It don't match up.

The theology is so far off, it ain't even funny.

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This is the most judgmental statement I've read yet. Who are you to judge who is AA and who is not? Who put you in charge of race sociology?

I'm not in charge of race sociology. If I was in charge, this would be a WHOLE different world. I would tell Black people stop being fooled by his color, I would tell white people, repent of your racism, it's probaly your last chance to do it. God sent Abe, Martin, JFK, Robert Kennedy to tell you just that. Now BO is coming to be president , repent of our racism, all of us including Rev. Wright.

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Do you even know what being African American means?

YES, I am one. I paid and recieved DNA from African ancestry my fathers line, his mother, they tested 100% Nigerian Ibo. I can scanned the info and send it to you. And a pic of myself.

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Of course not. Trust me, 50 years ago, there'd be no question what race he belonged to. Being African American is just as much about being a race of people who were persecuted in this country

What relative of BO is from this country and came from among among Americas Opressed?
His father is from Africa, they were colonized. His American relative is from Europe, her family owned slaves, I believe.
That was in ancestry.com most of the month of February.

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Ever heard of respect and inclusion? Sure, we'd wish the whole country was Christian. But that is not so. Let us respect others and in doing so, show them the love of Christ. Pray for them and treat them with kindness and you may win them over to Christ. Condemning someone never did anything for the kingdom. Condemn sin and lack of knowledge, not the person. We don't have that power. Only God can condemn a person's soul.

I have never condemed BO. Where do you see me condemning his soul, can't do it, if I wanted to do. Your Right! Only God can. But we are suppose to tell the truth. The truth is Judas Isaicart was a disciple of Jesus. I pray all the time for this country.

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than it is about every one of your ancestors being traced back to Africa. I have white and Indian ancestors in my family and I'm every bit AA than Jesse Jackson or MLK. Hmmm. Or am I? If he's not AA and he's not white, then you tell me what he is. Are there different degrees of AA?

Hes African and American, not AfricanAmerican like me and my family. My father is still alive, he still tells me stories of how he had to pick cotton in La.


BO father was never oppressed here, he went to Harvard when he was here.

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Hmmmm. And we blast Obama's pastor for half-baked theories and beliefs. I see. So, it's okay for us to make wild theories based on misinterpretations of scripture because we can say it is written in the Bible? That's worse if you ask me

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I'm not making wild theories, this is only done after much pain, feeling myself swell with pride, that a man that looked like me could make it this far.

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Oh, by the way, so much for Bush, the Great Christian Hope. Evangelicals and Christian conservatives voted for him in droves. And look where we are. If there were any title of beast to assign to anyone, and I do think that is tragic to label someone a beast when we don't know them personally, wouldn't you think the consensus would point to Bush other than Obama?

Bush the great Christian hope. NONO, Jesus is our hope.

Again, we are commanded to tell the truth, There are beasts in the Bible, that's the truth. I didn't vote for Bush. What God had Bush do is almost over, let's move on from it.

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I mean the devil's strength is lies and trickery right? Bush had all Christians hoodwinked don't ya think?

Yes, he fooled alot of people who say they are Christian. I was not one of them.

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But for some reason, Obama scares you. Wow. While Bush was sweet-talking us about pro-life, marriage amendment, and creation vs. evolution, he was mucking everything else up.

He mucked some things up for real. He played his part. He got the troops and how many countries, down the street from Armagedeon. I agree with you. Here's aScripture Bush reminds me of.

Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.
Pro 30:15 The horseleach hath two daughters, crying, Give, give. There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough:

Now go look up what GWB said about the poor.

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Maybe we should be more scared of voters like you.

No, you ain't got to be scared of my vote. i'm not voting. I'm not putting my John Hancock on ANY of this mess.