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Historymaker93 -> the Worst Sin. (4/4/2008 1:40:05 PM)

Matthew 12
31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Can Some explain this to me in detail?

How do someone know if we have committed this sin which can not be forgiven?

I hope i have not! that would be terrible! every now and then satan puts thoughts in my mind that have i committed this sin and give me ideas about it. The truth is i would never want to hurt the Holy Spirit! But sometimes there is this thought that comes into me that is like forcing me to commit this sin. But i think Sin is a choice if u don't want to commit it and choose to walk in righteousness then no one could force u to commit sins but only that temptation of the enemy would tempt us! Am i right?



crh737 -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/4/2008 2:01:43 PM)

If you wrote this post then you can rest assured you have not committed Blasphemy which is total rejection of God.

as usual the devil is roaming looking for prey.

When these thoughts come just say No and remind yourself that you are covered in the blood.

CRH



rcjames -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/4/2008 2:21:56 PM)

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is well explained in the passage prior to the one you posted in Matthew 12.

(Mat 12:22) Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

(Mat 12:23) And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

(Mat 12:24) But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Attributing the Work of the Holy Spirit (in this instance the casting out of demons) to the work of the devil is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. In other words calling the Holy Spirit the devil.

This is something that we should all be careful about

Thanks
RC



LCannon -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/4/2008 2:47:28 PM)

The 'worst' sin(the upper responses alluded to it)is to remain arrogant in one's unbelief against the blood/sacrifice/Victory of Jesus. Even the pagans sense their responsibility to the light shown them; how much greater will be the unrepentant that recognize the Truth and choose to ignore or actively work against that Blood.



terryjohn -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/4/2008 3:05:22 PM)

I think the only unforgivable sin is unbelief. Hence, unbelief is a sin against the Holy Spirit in that He has given all men everywhere enough evidence and reason to beleive but they do not. Thus, turning down the grace and love of God is the only unforgiveable sin for it is the ultimate insult considering who is offering it and what it cost.

Sins like stealing, murder ect are but consequences of unbelief so you could say we are damned not for our wrong doing but simply our unbelief just as we are not saved by our doing right but by our belief. That is without faith it is impossible to please Him. Here, if you think about it, there is a saving grace in faith as there would not be in a full knowldge of the grace of God. For as Christ prayed on the cross, God does forgive us many things in Christ simply because in faith and faith alone, we do not know what we are doing.



x_SoliDeoGloria_x -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/4/2008 9:40:03 PM)

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Thus, turning down the grace and love of God is the only unforgiveable sin for it is the ultimate insult considering who is offering it and what it cost.


This is my understanding of the unforgivable sin as well.. So if you are concerned that you might have committed it, your concern shows that you haven't committed it.



jfaye -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/4/2008 10:31:30 PM)

I would agree with what's been posted! For more discussion on this topic
you might find this one in the Salvation Forum very helpful:

Sin that leads to death discussion!



Historymaker93 -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/5/2008 5:21:04 PM)

Thank You all!!

U guys have been real great help![:D]

God Bless You all!



SteveDB -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/5/2008 9:29:33 PM)

HistoryMkr,
Your feeling that you've done the one thing you can never be forgiven for is not one that you're alone in.
This is something that I've struggled with off, and on over the years. It's been 30 now, and my faith is stronger now than it's ever been before.
Remember that the enemy of our souls is the "accuser of the brethren." His one goal, and purpose in life is to do whatever it takes to destroy what God loves.
He has no honor, no integrity, and no concern whatsoever for scruples.
THat's the reason why he's called a serpent.
When this happened to me the first time, I thought for certain I'd completely lost all hope, and was close to killing myself to just get it over with. As I came to grips with all of it, a friend told me that if I cared about this enough to be bothered by it I was still saved.
As I went through each successive experience with it-- and there have been plenty-- I could tell myself that phrase. "Do I still want to be with God?" If my answer continued to be yes, then I had not committed that sin.
One of the things that might help you is that God doesn't give up on us so easily. Jesus said that no one, and nothing could take from him those that are his. Paul developed this idea to a much greater degree in Romans 8.

Something else that's helped me is to consider the job of the Holy Spirit.
His one job is the threefold task of convicting the world of sin, rightousness, and of judgment.
His job on the christian, or follower of Jesus is to act to redeem our hearts, souls, and purify us for the day of our presentation in to heaven, at the throne of Jesus.
Phillippians 1:6, and in the psalms states that he will perfect, or act to complete that which concerns us, and complete what he started.
One of the reasons why it's called a walk of faith is because of this type of struggle, and spiritual warfare.
Sometimes it seems far easier to accept what our minds tell us, than to accept what God's stated in the word.
God can be trusted to finish what he started with you, and you can take him at his word.



Historymaker93 -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/6/2008 10:40:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: x_SoliDeoGloria_x

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Thus, turning down the grace and love of God is the only unforgiveable sin for it is the ultimate insult considering who is offering it and what it cost.


This is my understanding of the unforgivable sin as well.. So if you are concerned that you might have committed it, your concern shows that you haven't committed it.

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in the psalms states that he will perfect, or act to complete that which concerns us, and compl


Yeah I agree! i talked to some one about this and she told me that to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit Is to deny it forever.

Because Paul Was a pharisee and i' am sure he isn't in hell!



Kath -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/6/2008 4:46:24 PM)

moving this from GF to Salvation Issues



Nothingman -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/7/2008 3:54:02 PM)

I take it as this, among other things. When we are nearing God, or rather, when God is nearing to us, is tugging at our heart, so to speak, and we reject that call and work of the Holy Spirit, I call that blasphemy of the HS.

I take this verse to mean as a summation of our entire life, and not on a individual basis. If, in our entire life, we reject the HS, then yes, we are not forgiven...



ClintonPI -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/7/2008 11:15:26 PM)

Funny; our pastor preached on this verse just this past Sunday.

There are quite a few views on what the unpardonable sin is. It is the blasphemy of the the Holy Spirit. You'll note that in each gospel that this is talked about, it follows the pharisees accusing Jesus of performing his miracles by the power of satan. They deliberately did this to turn opinion against Him. Therefore, they defamed/ blasphemed the Holy Spirit. If that's the case, then this unpardonable sin could only be committed during Jesus' lifetime.

Or...

The works of Christ are attested to in the Bible, inspired by the Holy Spirit, so...


Here's the link to his sermon if you're interested.

http://www.calvarybiblechurch.org/Sermons.aspx/audio/sermon/2008/20080406



tracydolls -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/8/2008 3:44:16 PM)

clinton, where is it in site? What's the name of sermon. I deleted my previous post. But I really had thought I did this. Until RcJAmes post, I went and looked at the previous verses. I do not believe I did that. But I would like to see your preacher, I don't hear many pastors talk about.



cognitivemagic -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/8/2008 4:52:07 PM)

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not a "sin", in the sense of something you do or don't do. Rather, it is a condition whereby a person, even though he/she has been given the best possible evidence for the reality of God, simply will not believe.

In other words, it's a matter of disbelieving God even after He's given you His best line of evidence.

However, this is an epistemological (i.e. knowledge) pathology (i.e. disease), not a metaphysical (i.e. state of being) pathology.

So even if one commits this "sin" (i.e. Blasphemy of H.S.), you are not necessarily forever lost; and the reason is because humans have a "will".
The "danger" of hell, of which Jesus had warned about, was predicated upon continued unbelief. But, repentance and forgiveness are always available. The worst that can be said is that such a person cannot be convinced; not that he/she cannot change.

Some will say "but what about Hebrews 6 and 10 (et. al.) where it says that it's impossible to restore them".

quote:

23 Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”
24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”

The Gospel of Mark 9:23,24


and elsewhere:

quote:

For with God nothing will be impossible.

The Gospel of Luke 1:37



wtsyes -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/9/2008 12:15:47 PM)

I have struggled with this for over twenty years, but have also seen God work in my life many times also.

The issue is a progressive thing and not some one time thing that you can't remember doing. My girlfriend told me about a CS Lewis book the great divorce, about people who were given a bus ride to heaven to see what they missed out on. They were given an opertunity to stay but rejected.

the blasphemers were rejecting the truth, searing their conscience in a long 3 year progressive time period, and not agreeing with the bible. The old testement gave many instances of miraculous healings, signs and wonders that Jesus repeated. It was exactly clear that Jesus was exactly who he claimed to be by his actions, but instead of comparing apples to apples, they said this apple is not an apple because we want the apple to be an orange. They wanted the mesiah to be a conquerer not a savior, they wanted to maintain their money making processes in the temple and judgeing people not by the bible, but by their added laws.

Re-jecting the truth is done by everyone, but his mercies are new every morning. Come back to him every morning and ask for forgiveness and direction in life. Commit to him and you will be accepted into his arms.



ClintonPI -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/9/2008 6:48:18 PM)

Hi, Tracy:

Here is the link. It should take you right there. Scroll down a bit and you'll see several options given in how you'd like to listen the sermon:

http://www.calvarybiblechurch.org/Sermons.aspx/audio/sermon/2008/20080406

The sermon is called "Your Response to Christ Under Pressure," and it was preached 4/6/08. If you want to skip directly to the topic in his five point sermon, then it's point #4.

Enjoy!


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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

clinton, where is it in site? What's the name of sermon. I deleted my previous post. But I really had thought I did this. Until RcJAmes post, I went and looked at the previous verses. I do not believe I did that. But I would like to see your preacher, I don't hear many pastors talk about.



cognitivemagic -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/12/2008 7:04:29 PM)

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Re-jecting the truth is done by everyone, but his mercies are new every morning. Come back to him every morning and ask for forgiveness and direction in life


I think this is a very important, though often missed, point.

"Repentance" is an on-going struggle, not merely a once-for-all kind of act.

Perhaps the best way to express this is in terms of marital fidelity, as when the bible describes the relationship of the Church with Christ as "Bride" and "Bridegroom" (respectively).

As to the Bridegroom, He never wavers in His love and faithfulness. In other words, God doesn't change (either in His nature or His attitude) in relation to humankind.

The Bride, on the other hand, can and often does; which is why God has called His people at times "adulterous" and "unfaithful". We are the ones who turn from God, not the other way around.

And if God is our "Life", then what do we get when we turn from Him? Answer: death.

Men used to be able to look into the heavens and at the wonders of nature around them, and see God. When they stopped listening to that, then God gave them a conscience so that they could hear His voice within them. When they stopped listening to that, then He sent prophets and wise men among them to teach them. When they stopped listening to that, then He sent His Only Begotten Son; who even though was by nature God, was too humble to even care to be recognized as such, but came and lived life among men. Furthermore, He treated and counted us as "friends" and "brothers" and "sisters". And more perplexing, is that His love went beyond those who were closest to Him, but even unto His enemies; to the point of death!!

And so God, not merely by precepts but also by clear example, in all things demonstrates His unwavering love for all of humankind. No humiliation was too much that God would not endure it. No pain was so great that God would not feel it. No rejection was so much that God would not suffer it. Though He was without sin.

In effect, the Physician had come to allow an operation to happen to Himself, to give us (i.e. the one's who truly need spiritual surgery) hope in our own treatment. It's as if God had said, "I know that my treatment can be a bit painful, but look, even I Myself will undergo it so that you will not lose heart on My operating table."

So, when we run from God, we make Him sad. When run back to God, we make Him glad. He is ever our Friend; sometimes, He is our only friend. More than that, He is our Helper. But He's not satisfied with making us mere men; He wants to, by grace, make us "sons". And the "operating table" is but a metaphor for our life in the present age.

To the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, be glory, forever and ever.
Amen.



bobduttera -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/23/2008 9:41:13 PM)

My Christian brother or sister I know your sorrow, your grief and your shame. I know how you must be heavy of heart by now thinking you have committed a sin so great God himself cannot forgive it. While I do not know your situation I urge you to examine yourself carefully. You must think how if you had a child who messed up so badly as to <blank> what would you do? Would you not desire to forgive them? Would you not long for the day they returned to you? Our heavenly Father is greater than us and therefore his love is stronger than ours.

You no doubt have searched the scriptures only to be more in doubt, if not you wouldn't be here you'd already be comforted and praising God for his wonderful and beautiful provision of mercy and forgiveness. There are verses in the bible that speak of some who are without hope, but I do not believe for a minute it is you. God is the discerner of the heart and knows YOU. Please read Psalm 52 several times and see if you find yourself, as I did, crying out for God's mercy and lovingkindnesses. Pleading with God to forgive you of ALL your sins. King David was a man after God's own heart and yet he had committed adultry and murder. That is NOT to justify yourself but to know how king David felt and how he grieved! Use what I am saying to confirm your repentance and sorrow for having sinned against God.

If you are reading this I urge you to stop and take a moment to THANK and PRAISE God for giving you life and also for giving you Jesus his son. Praise and worship God knowing your soul is in his hands, his capable loving merciful gracious longsuffering hands. The grief you may continue feeling is temporary and is drawing you to God the Father NOT pushing you away. Our souls ache and the pain can be unbearable at times. Why we ever believed the lie that "it's okay to sin. God will forgive me" I'll never know! The lie is thinking it's okay to sin not that God won't forgive you. Sin is ugly and hideous and draws our hearts away from God the Father who is merciful to those of a contrite spirit and a humble heart. My grief, sorrow and heavy heart lasted for weeks. My prayers were that God would forgive my lust and adultery, then my lack of love and respect for my wife, then my hypocricy, finally my disregard for God. It was like layers of sin peeling away from my troubled and weiry soul. I had repented months before the grief even set in. I would feel relief followed by doubt because I thought it was my conscience trying to cover up the damage but read on!

Today the Lord our God delivered me with great power. I was on my way to work when again I was stricken by heavy heart and great sorrow. I prayed "Oh God please help me. Please let Dr. Irwin Lutzer speak on a topic that will give me encouragment". About 5 minutes later the BBN broadcasting network radio show (referred below) came on and announced the beginning of a new series titled "after you've blown it". Pease listen to the message:
"the waiting father" at http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/Running_To_Win/archives.asp?bcd=2008-4-23.

God our heavenly Father is so amazing that he would show me his love instead of his wrath because HE is so good. If you are still in doubt please email me (bobduttera@yahoo.com). God has been working greatly in my life and I trust he will in yours. My tears of sorrow were turned to tears of joy as I worshipped our heavenly father and praised him for his mercy and grace knowing I was forgiven. The prodical son is a perfect illustration of how God our heavenly father loves us and only thinks loving thoughts towards us. While he is still the righteous judge of the world you must read how Jesus could only heal someone if they believed and had faith. If your faith is as mine was then pray "Lord help my unbelief" and ask God to heal you and take away all your sins. But BELIEVE and remember that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth on him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Also remember that Jesus said "I will never leave you nor forsake you". Don't give up hope!



P31W -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/24/2008 11:14:09 AM)

John 6

John 6
28 Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."



JimboFletch -> RE: the Worst Sin. (4/24/2008 2:06:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rcjames

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is well explained in the passage prior to the one you posted in Matthew 12.

(Mat 12:22) Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

(Mat 12:23) And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

(Mat 12:24) But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Attributing the Work of the Holy Spirit (in this instance the casting out of demons) to the work of the devil is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. In other words calling the Holy Spirit the devil.

This is something that we should all be careful about

Thanks
RC

Thank you, RC, for rightly dividing the Word instead of speculating on what it might mean. The answer is there, why wouldn't anyone just accept that as authoritative?



sinlessingodseyes -> RE: the Worst Sin. (5/8/2008 5:19:32 AM)

So what if you attributed works of the Holy Spirit to being those of the devil without knowing that they were from the Holy Spirit? So you did it unintentionally? Just wondering thats all[:)]



URForgiven -> RE: the Worst Sin. (5/8/2008 9:58:46 AM)

The "work" of the Holy Spirit in the unbelievers life is to draw them to Christ. To reject Him, and His work, is to reject Jesus Christ...it is to continue in unbelief.

Unbelief does not need to be forgiven...it needs to be corrected.

Peace



angelka71 -> RE: the Worst Sin. (5/20/2008 12:57:26 AM)

I have struggled with this myself many times in my life. It caused me such a great depression and then, sadly, years of being away from God. Always longing and wishing that I had been good enough, or that somehow He would accept me.

But if you played "devils advocate" for a bit, imagine would kind of benefit the devil got from my struggle? Not only did it steal my joy, worst than that, it stole my relationship with Jesus. How much more could God have done through me if not for my depression, and my fear. Though I longed to tell others that I was a Christian, I didn't want to lie or disrespect God in that way. If the devil couldn't steal my soul...he tried to do the next best thing. Keeping me from being an active participant in the body of Christ.

I don't believe that the unforvigable sin is something that can be commited with a thought that runs through your mind, or even something done unintentionally. And I very strongly believe that if you have a desire to have a relationship with God...YOU"RE STILL IN!

I'll tell you what I finally did. I finally decided that I was just going to do the best I could..I ignored the thoughts and stopped fearing them (I think somehow that fear gives them power). I decided to pray and actually "pretend" that I hadn't committed the unforgiveable sin and what I discovered was that God was, is and has always been with me. I am still in awe and so humbled that I am really His and so amazingly thankful.

Please don't give up...keep praying. I've always found it to be so refreshing to just tell God what's going on, what I fear, what I hope and He has always been faithful, even during the times when I couldn't feel his presense.

I hope you're feeling stronger. And I hope you've taken in the great advice that's been offered in these posts. Take care. I'll remember you in my prayers.



Sammy_S -> RE: the Worst Sin. (5/25/2008 8:09:00 PM)

The worst sin is every sin.



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