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He strongly implied that clinging to religion was one of those negative reactions that people who haven't lost their jobs or had any reason to become bitter would need. His subtle put-down to Christianity bothers me more than anything else. What I'd like to say to in response to him is that Jesus is real, and He really is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. We don't follow Him because we think He is going to solve our economic problems, though of course He could if He wanted to, but because He forgives our sins and transforms our lives. We follow Him because He deserves to be followed. The reason I am a Christian is about Jesus, and has nothing to do with how much money I have or don't have, or whether or not I or my husband has a good job.

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Obama, in his own words, came to know Jesus Christ through working with Christians who were helping poor neighborhoods in S. Chicago.

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ORIGINAL: todd_t

Oh, Lord. Do you even know what the basic definition of Marxism is, Tom? It is not the same as communism.

Further, do you realize how many statements ascribed to Jesus in the NT mirror what would later become a basic Marxist doctrine?

Do you want examples? I have buckets full of them.

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Further, do you realize how many statements ascribed to Jesus in the NT mirror what would later become a basic Marxist doctrine?

Do you want examples? I have buckets full of them.

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ORIGINAL: todd_t

Unbelievable....

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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ORIGINAL: todd_t

Unbelievable....

Feel free to tell us how socialism, marxism aligns with Christianity and how they are a good thing.

Christ is of free will and can never be more than a tool of opression to the socialist/marxist.

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But we're not talking theology, we're talking economics. Economics isn't a moral issue.

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Sen. Barack Obama was criticized Friday by his two fellow presidential candidates for statements he made recently at a San Francisco fund raiser that could be viewed as derogatory toward rural America.

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothings replaced them," Obama said Sunday, according to the Huffington Post web site.

"And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not," Obama reportedly continued. "It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

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Obama, in his own words, came to know Jesus Christ through working with Christians who were helping poor neighborhoods in S. Chicago. For those communities, Jesus was a source of strength against economic injustice. So it's not hard to see why Obama implied people turn to religion in time of need.

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What I was objecting to was that it seemed to me that Obama was saying that if the government had done its job, we wouldn't have to pray at all.

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Bottom line, one system allows for freedom of theology and is actually made stronger by that freedom; the other negates, persecutes, and denies anything that is of God.

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ever talk or communicate with someone born and raised in a small town? Their views are usually very narrow because they haven't had much life experience.

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Small town America is angry and bitter right now, I read it on the web and hear it on Republican talk radio.

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

I live in a town of 16,000 people, companies have came and gone, we have limited industry, but some. A few years back a glass company went out, it was a real hut on our town people, many people worked at the glass company. No one was bitter, church attendance did not go way up, wish it had. Nobody grabbed their weapons and clung tightly. We had other companies come in and people recovered.
Mostly you see in bigger cities, imbittered employees going postal, going on shooting rampages, because of job loss. I could be taking BOs comments wrong, but did he call people ignorant, bitter, hillbillies, who are just using God as crutch during bad times? The gun comment bothered me more than anything, what was he saying? More weapons in the inner city, which it does not matter, because I believe in the right to bear arms. My husband has many guns, never shots them, because I am an animal lover. The gun comment just really bothered me, and the underlying meaning. I think it had, I am better than you attitude. At first I did not take the comments to heart, kind of slow that way, do not always get it at first when someone is being mean. I thought of the comment this moring, and thought that was snobby.

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The gun comment just really bothered me, and the underlying meaning. I think it had, I am better than you attitude. At first I did not take the comments to heart, kind of slow that way, do not always get it at first when someone is being mean. I thought of the comment this moring, and thought that was snobby.

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ORIGINAL: P31W

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The gun comment just really bothered me, and the underlying meaning. I think it had, I am better than you attitude. At first I did not take the comments to heart, kind of slow that way, do not always get it at first when someone is being mean. I thought of the comment this moring, and thought that was snobby.

Notice what another poster said.

it seemed to me that Obama was saying that if the government had done its job, we wouldn't have to pray at all." (end of quote)

Think about it. He was saying that if the government had done it's job people would not need cling to their guns, cling to thier religious faith etc.

He is saying that the government being broke is what makes people "cling" to various things.

Remember liberals believe that governmetn is the solution to the world's problems....not God.

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ORIGINAL: BlackCapnHarlock

I agree with Obama's comments and I am no liberal.

What he said was true, ever talk or communicate with someone born and raised in a small town? Their views are usually very narrow because they haven't had much life experience.

Small town America is angry and bitter right now, I read it on the web and hear it on Republican talk radio.

Nothing he said was wrong or elitist.