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Lapidoth -> Rapture Hoax & Tidbits (4/12/2008 8:26:35 PM)
Just some information for the "seekers." quote: The basis of the Rapture teaching was to take pressure off Roman Catholicism which was branded by early Christians as "The Mystery Harlot of Babylon". This is a detailed, and suspense filled account of how Christian groups in England were infiltrated in the 1600's, and sold the fallacious "Rapture" doctrine. An important read for all Catholic or Protestant Christians! This is the factual and historical account of a Jesuit priest who posed as a Jewish Rabbi converted to Christianity, to invent and place the rapture theory within the church. http://www.mashiyach.com/rapture.htm

FurGodWurLivin -> RE: Rapture Hoax & Tidbits (4/13/2008 4:02:57 AM)
................. uhm................. remembering that Catholicism didn't actually show up until the 300's AD (Eastern Orthodoxy prior) and that the Catholic church wasn't popularly thought of as the Harlot Babylon until Constantine made it the state religion... To correct the idea of the "fallacious doctrine of the Rapture", it should be the "fallacious doctrine of the Pre-Tribulational Doctrine". The Rapture, while never mentioned in the English Bible, is a very biblical concept (see Revelation 14). Adam

Sinner-Saint -> RE: Rapture Hoax & Tidbits (4/13/2008 8:29:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lapidoth http://www.mashiyach.com/rapture.htm Well, skimming over his webpage, for all his knowledge, he doesn't even know how to read the book of Revelation. Taking it like a novel, he tries to put everything in the world in the same order the overlapping parallel accounts give so as to make sense of it all. No wonder he concludes that: quote: The word and teaching of a "Rapture" is not consistent with original Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek Scriptures. - when clearly the Bible does teach a time when we will be raised up to be with Christ, first for those who have died in Christ (without dying a martyrs' death) and then for those who are still alive and are left after the Great Tribulaiton. He has some neat history in their and some scathing criticisms, but his thinking misses the mark.

Lapidoth -> RE: Rapture Hoax & Tidbits (4/14/2008 11:03:00 AM)
quote: He has some neat history in their and some scathing criticisms, but his thinking misses the mark. I agree that history plays a roll in our thinking. We take what is sound and allow the rest to remain on the grocery shelf for someone else. lol. I do not teach "Rapture", but I definitely teach the "Resurrection." I find that resurrection doesn't cause the arguments the word rapture does. There is only ONE Resurrection (called the "first" resurrection). But, the variations of "rapture" are as many as those who have an opinion. I conceded that the Resurrection is the rapture and that the rapture is the resurrection.

bettymackII -> RE: Rapture Hoax & Tidbits (4/18/2008 12:32:11 PM)
Can anyone guess who has focused for more than 35 years on the 178-year-old history of the pretribulation rapture view? It is journalist/historian Dave MacPherson. (No one else has ever claimed to have spent 35 months or even 35 weeks researching the same topic.) He discovered that pretrib was never a part of any Christian theology or organized church before 1830. His many web articles include "The Real Manuel Lacunza" (who didn't teach pretrib), "Deceiving and Being Deceived" (showing that the claims for Pseudo-Ephraem and Morgan Edwards are also wishful thinking), "Pretrib Rapture Diehards" (all of the earliest pretrib promoters admitted in the 1830's that pretrib was THEN a brand-new teaching that hadn't been known before!), "Revisers of Pretrib Rapture History" (even noted pretrib writer Grant Jeffrey now admits on his site that MacPherson's historical research has caused "many" [Jeffrey's term] to abandon pretrib), "The Rapture Index (Mad Theology)," and "Famous Rapture Watchers." Sites like Tribulation Central and Powered by Christ Ministries carry many of Dave's articles. Dave's No. 1 bestselling book on this fascinating topic is "The Rapture Plot" (see Armageddon Books online), the research of which has gotten many kudos from leading evangelical scholars (Google "Scholars Weigh My Research"). MacPherson's royalties have always gone to a nonprofit group and not to himself. I have checked out all of the above and urge all readers to check it out for yourselves. You will be totally flabbergasted!

Lapidoth -> RE: Rapture Hoax & Tidbits (4/18/2008 8:32:21 PM)
Hi betty, Thanks for the info. I'll have to add it to my list of things to check out. It only took me a year of 8 to 12 hours a day of hard study and making my own charts as I read the scriptures to flush this doctrine of demons. But 35 years. Boy, that's very commendable. I think many are leaving this "money-mill" doctrine for the truth once they check it out for themselves.

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