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WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/23/2008 9:56:26 PM)

Ironically, I wrote a blog post this morning very close to this topic.

To save typing and so as to not repeat myself, Click HERE if you're interested in knowing my thoughts on the subject.



THEREDCAPE -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/23/2008 10:00:18 PM)

I found your blog correct scripturally, and though provoking, Whiteroseblessings.

God will not be mocked.



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/23/2008 10:03:25 PM)

I was at church this evening, and my pastor brought up a scripture that REALLY got my attention.

It has to do with the creation being contentious with its creator.

Isaiah 45:9 (Amplified)
Woe to him who strives with his Maker- a worthless piece of broken pottery among other pieces equally worthless, and [yet presuming to stive with his Maker]! Shall the clay say to him who fashions it, "What do you think you are making?" Or, "Your work has no handles!"

Why do we as Christians do this? Why does God's creation get so frustrated with our Creator? I do not know. I do know this. God is good. He is able to handle the problems that we get ourselves in. I can anchor to that point, and my prayers are not contentious. They are not yelling to God, "This sucks," but asking God to do what's right and trusting Him to do so.

To quote a great author (Max Lucado), "Faith is being able to trust the Father's heart when you cannot see the Father's hand."
God made us from the dust. Surely He can handle my venting, but I'd rather give Him my love and faith.



Apaise -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/23/2008 10:14:50 PM)

Tall-One - I mentioned that I was speaking of more mature Christians because I was certain that if I didn't clarify, someone (and I am not talking about anyone in particular) would come behind me and say, "Well, what about baby Christians who really don't know any better yet?" I was not necessarily trying to bring the subject of baby Christians into the discussion since this thread seems to be addressed more towards believers who are more mature in the faith. I was simply clarifying. (Btw, no one here is taking a "holier-than-thou" approach and refusing to teach baby Christians what is right. [8|] And besides, that is off-topic.)

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Original: Tall-One
It is best to not stand in judgement when others pray like we do not want them to, regardless if we know better or not.


How I want others to pray really is of no consequence. What is important is what God wants. I've already provided scripture that says that God wants to be treated reverently, and provided you with the Strong's concordence numbers to do research on your own. And every time I have asked for your comments on the scripture I've posted, I've gotten the response that God has told you something else. I am not discounting your experiences, I know they must have been horrible. But God does not and will not contradict His word through extra-Biblical experiences. It just doesn't work that way.



bluestone -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/23/2008 10:34:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Apaise

How I want others to pray really is of no consequence. What is important is what God wants. I've already provided scripture that says that God wants to be treated reverently, and provided you with the Strong's concordance numbers to do research on your own. And every time I have asked for your comments on the scripture I've posted, I've gotten the response that God has told you something else. I am not discounting your experiences, I know they must have been horrible. But God does not and will not contradict His word through extra-Biblical experiences. It just doesn't work that way.


I totally agree. Scripture must be the standard, not personal experience. Otherwise everyone would go in different directions, and disunity would happen.



txhoneydarlin -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/24/2008 12:13:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: armydude

To quote a great author (Max Lucado), "Faith is being able to trust the Father's heart when you cannot see the Father's hand."


I love this quote, James! It's gotta be one of my all time faves. [:)]


quote:

ORIGINAL: Apaise

Tall-One - I mentioned that I was speaking of more mature Christians because I was certain that if I didn't clarify, someone (and I am not talking about anyone in particular) would come behind me and say, "Well, what about baby Christians who really don't know any better yet?" I was not necessarily trying to bring the subject of baby Christians into the discussion since this thread seems to be addressed more towards believers who are more mature in the faith. I was simply clarifying. (Btw, no one here is taking a "holier-than-thou" approach and refusing to teach baby Christians what is right. [8|] And besides, that is off-topic.)

quote:

Original: Tall-One
It is best to not stand in judgement when others pray like we do not want them to, regardless if we know better or not.


How I want others to pray really is of no consequence. What is important is what God wants. I've already provided scripture that says that God wants to be treated reverently, and provided you with the Strong's concordence numbers to do research on your own. And every time I have asked for your comments on the scripture I've posted, I've gotten the response that God has told you something else. I am not discounting your experiences, I know they must have been horrible. But God does not and will not contradict His word through extra-Biblical experiences. It just doesn't work that way.


Apaise, wonderful stuff - especially the bolded part!



WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/24/2008 9:55:14 AM)

As to the OP, no I don't tell God that life or an aspect of life s*cks. Actually, I don't even use that word at all. I do think that we can and should express to Our Lord all of our frustrations; but I don't think we should ever hold Him accountable for whatever "it" is; nor do I think that we should use crude or vulgar language to Him, when expressing such emotions.

Once. Just once, I did that during a time of prayer. I used words that I don't even use in my normal course of speech. And the conviction I felt from Our Lord's Holy Spirit was almost unbearable. Our Lord is Our Lord. He is Our King. We are always to revere and respect Him.


I was thinking about this thread earlier this morning. And forgive me, please, if this has already been mentioned; I usually read a thread in it's entirety, but I have only read the last few pages of this one.


In Matthew 6, Jesus talks very specifically about prayer (verses 5-15).

Specially, He said:

This, then, is how you should pray:
Our Father in Heaven,
hallowed be Your Name,
Your Kingdom come,
Your Will be done
on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from the evil one.
Matthew 6:9-13



bluestone -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/24/2008 11:29:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: groovymovieman

As I've read through the posts I've noticed something odd. Many who say they would "never talk to God like that!" sure have no problem talking to fellow believers in Christ "like that." Maybe you do need to "talk to God like that" so He can heal you so you stop taking it out on your brothers and sisters.


I have not anyon on the respect side of things being nasty or ranging at fellow posters[&:]



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phosadaud -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/24/2008 8:20:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bluestone

quote:

ORIGINAL: groovymovieman

As I've read through the posts I've noticed something odd. Many who say they would "never talk to God like that!" sure have no problem talking to fellow believers in Christ "like that." Maybe you do need to "talk to God like that" so He can heal you so you stop taking it out on your brothers and sisters.


I have not anyon on the respect side of things being nasty or ranging at fellow posters[&:]


Agreed



ladyichigo -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/24/2008 9:19:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings

This, then, is how you should pray:
Our Father in Heaven,
hallowed be Your Name,
Your Kingdom come,
Your Will be done
on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from the evil one.
Matthew 6:9-13


You know, I was thinking about this thread last night before I went to sleep, and I remembered the Lord's Prayer. Our God Himself taught us how to pray. I prayed this way last night and the tears would not stop. It wasn't tears of guilt, or shame. I felt so deeply honored and so gracious that He, Himself, the Perfect One is so merciful to teach us to talk to Him because we really don't know how. After I had finished I couldn't help but saying anything other than HOLY HOLY HOLY ARE YOU LORD!



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/25/2008 8:48:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: armydude

I was at church this evening, and my pastor brought up a scripture that REALLY got my attention.

It has to do with the creation being contentious with its creator.

Isaiah 45:9 (Amplified)
Woe to him who strives with his Maker- a worthless piece of broken pottery among other pieces equally worthless, and [yet presuming to stive with his Maker]! Shall the clay say to him who fashions it, "What do you think you are making?" Or, "Your work has no handles!"

Why do we as Christians do this? Why does God's creation get so frustrated with our Creator? I do not know. I do know this. God is good. He is able to handle the problems that we get ourselves in. I can anchor to that point, and my prayers are not contentious. They are not yelling to God, "This sucks," but asking God to do what's right and trusting Him to do so.

To quote a great author (Max Lucado), "Faith is being able to trust the Father's heart when you cannot see the Father's hand."
God made us from the dust. Surely He can handle my venting, but I'd rather give Him my love and faith.
No comments? Anyone?



Apaise -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/25/2008 9:26:31 AM)

Good post? [8D]



phosadaud -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/25/2008 10:13:16 AM)

I'm thinking so... [;)]



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