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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 3:58:01 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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why do some of you equate respect with dishonesty?
...or "pride," "petty", "fake" and "insincere"...some of the other words used in this thread to describe those who revere and honor God and are respectful in our prayers.
that's not what the poster said. poster said they thought some of the prayers he/she had observed seemed like that, hoping to get God to give them what they want.
people dis the prayers of WOF people in these threads like that all the time.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 4:03:58 PM
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I shudder to think of the lack of humility some here seem to use when approaching the throne of the one true God.
Well then, I suppose that you shall have to shudder away.  It's called knowing a loving God and not being afraid to run into His arms with all our tears, anger and frustrations with our divinely designed personalities in tow.
We are all to come to Him just as we are, bringing our 'dirty laundry' so to speak into the throne room and to the cross. That's the only way to get cleaned of it.
I'm sure God can handle the reality of each of us coming to Him in our manner of speech and dress, attitudes and all. He knows exactly how to deal with each of us.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 4:07:37 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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why do some of you equate respect with dishonesty?
...or "pride," "petty", "fake" and "insincere"...some of the other words used in this thread to describe those who revere and honor God and are respectful in our prayers.
that's not what the poster said. poster said they thought some of the prayers he/she had observed seemed like that, hoping to get God to give them what they want.
people dis the prayers of WOF people in these threads like that all the time.
WOF prayers for temporal wealth are different but still disrespectful because they make demands from God based on promises that were never made. More than that they are misguided (love of money and all that).
which is a whole lot like what was said in post 72.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 4:23:53 PM
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which is a whole lot like what was said in post 72
You lost me on this one, mrsdash. Would you explain it to me? Thanks.
post 101 was a respons to post 98 which referred to post 72.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 4:42:14 PM
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post 101 makes it make sense. you actually responded to WOF statement but it was directed to another post. post 72 was interpreted to be dis-ing the reverent prayers promoted in this thread. i do not think that was meant at all.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 4:44:00 PM
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this is how i see the respect God issue...
when i came before God as a sinner not yet redeemed, i came before Him in His awesome holy courtroom. His gavel was to be feared. i needed to have my best clothes on and mind all of the other rules of the courtroom, or else.
after the cross, while God is still the Sovereign Holy Judge of all, i no longer come to him in the courtroom. i now come to him as the adopted child of the Father. i tell Him everything in every kind of mood. i expect compassion, mercy, love, comfort, healing, wisdom, and yes, even correction. i have no lack of respect for Him. my life is still in His hands. i must still obey Him, but He has said his heart for me is love,pure and for good not harm.
if i come to Him with a rant i expect to hear His wisdom, correction if needed, along with mercy and grace. sometimes i hurry in and pour out my sorrow or frustration, run out and continue with life's chores, fully expecting to continue the conversation later, however long it takes to deal with the matter.
because i do not need to fear the gavel any longer, i can now enter into His presence as is and proceed from there.
is it possible to be a christian and take God's due respect for granted? i do believe it is, but i don't think that's what's being decribed by the OP.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 4:59:38 PM
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Exactly! I still go back to my original statement that God knows all - all about us, our thoughts, our actions, our intents. Why try to hide anything from Him? It's not that we are being disrespectful in any way, and I'm sure He, in His wisdom, understands that. It's that we are invited - asked - commanded by him to be honest. As Psalms 34:5 states, "Never hide your feelings from Him." Psalms 37:5 commands us to "Open up before God, keep nothing back..." If we are simply speaking honestly to Him, how could that be considered disrespectful? That's what I'm having a hard time understanding.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:26:15 PM
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why do some of you equate respect with dishonesty?
...or "pride," "petty", "fake" and "insincere"...some of the other words used in this thread to describe those who revere and honor God and are respectful in our prayers.
I do hope I never came across like that. If I have, I sincerely apologize.
I believe that there is a time and a place for both.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:42:08 PM
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Exactly! I still go back to my original statement that God knows all - all about us, our thoughts, our actions, our intents. Why try to hide anything from Him? It's not that we are being disrespectful in any way, and I'm sure He, in His wisdom, understands that. It's that we are invited - asked - commanded by him to be honest. As Psalms 34:5 states, "Never hide your feelings from Him." Psalms 37:5 commands us to "Open up before God, keep nothing back..." If we are simply speaking honestly to Him, how could that be considered disrespectful? That's what I'm having a hard time understanding.
I can understand this, but my military background also has to kick in here. My commanders (well, most of them) said that if we had a concern about something, tell them. But at the same time we were to remember that this was still a commissioned officer. There was nothing there about "hold ______ back", but merely to remember that the person you're speaking to deserves respect.
I believe the same holds true of God. If you're having a bad day, tell Him. He wants to hear you. But remember that this is God, and He deserves our reverence. I would no sooner talk to God the way I hear some people talking to each other than I would have said, "Yo, what up" to a captain in the army.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:43:42 PM
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how would we talk to our adopted-us abba Father?
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:44:56 PM
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Exactly! I still go back to my original statement that God knows all - all about us, our thoughts, our actions, our intents. Why try to hide anything from Him? It's not that we are being disrespectful in any way, and I'm sure He, in His wisdom, understands that. It's that we are invited - asked - commanded by him to be honest. As Psalms 34:5 states, "Never hide your feelings from Him." Psalms 37:5 commands us to "Open up before God, keep nothing back..." If we are simply speaking honestly to Him, how could that be considered disrespectful? That's what I'm having a hard time understanding.
I can understand this, but my military background also has to kick in here. My commanders (well, most of them) said that if we had a concern about something, tell them. But at the same time we were to remember that this was still a commissioned officer. There was nothing there about "hold ______ back", but merely to remember that the person you're speaking to deserves respect.
I believe the same holds true of God. If you're having a bad day, tell Him. He wants to hear you. But remember that this is God, and He deserves our reverence. I would no sooner talk to God the way I hear some people talking to each other than I would have said, "Yo, what up" to a captain in the army.
Good point, James. I see now what folks are meaning. Thanks for putting it in a clearer light for me with your metaphor.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:45:31 PM
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how would we talk to our adopted-us abba Father?
Well, when I talk to my dad, I speak in love, but I also don't let that respect leave my voice. He loves me, and I know this. He is not my friend however. He's my dad. I don't cross that fine line with him or my Heavenly Father.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:48:01 PM
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James,
well put. Exactly what I meant. You can tell God your concerns without talking to Him like a dog in the yard.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:50:52 PM
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how would we talk to our adopted-us abba Father?
Well, when I talk to my dad, I speak in love, but I also don't let that respect leave my voice. He loves me, and I know this. He is not my friend however. He's my dad. I don't cross that fine line with him or my Heavenly Father.
what constitutes disrespect though? venting frustration with your father to him? or venting frustration with something else to him? must you only vent calmly? or may you be raw?
the psalmist dared to complain to God about what God was doing and how long He was taking to act.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:52:04 PM
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okay, but where is the example of talking to God as a dog in the yard in this thread?
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:54:27 PM
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how would we talk to our adopted-us abba Father?
Well, when I talk to my dad, I speak in love, but I also don't let that respect leave my voice. He loves me, and I know this. He is not my friend however. He's my dad. I don't cross that fine line with him or my Heavenly Father.
what constitutes disrespect though? venting frustration with your father to him? or venting frustration with something else to him? must you only vent calmly? or may you be raw?
the psalmist dared to complain to God about what God was doing and how long He was taking to act.
My best advice on not crossing that fine line is not going near it. In other words, it may be best to not worry so much about what's acceptable and start about what's right. Respect, reverence, etc. Those are right. You won't go wrong if you stay there.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 5:59:47 PM
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well for one person staying away from being disrespectful would sound very differently form another avoiding disrespect.
God is able to discern disrespect and is not confused by the tone of voice or chosen words as a human listening would be.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 9:38:28 PM
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If a swear word came out while praying, I don't think a bolt of lightening will be your reward.
If you swear as a matter of habit, then its disrespectful.
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/17/2008 11:05:44 PM
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IF you swear as a matter of habit, it MIGHT be MORE acceptable than if you don't...
Working among addicts who have just come to the Lord is exciting, however, they come with "wrinkles" and it takes a while for them to learn "CHURCH SPEAK"
so.... they MIGHT, at first, use words like Tony Campolo uses, and might SHOCK their dear church brothers and sisters...
I THINK most of the other posts have been about a DIFFERENT kind of "unsaintly"... I may be wrong though
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RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? - 4/18/2008 5:45:20 AM
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IF you swear as a matter of habit, it MIGHT be MORE acceptable than if you don't...
Working among addicts who have just come to the Lord is exciting, however, they come with "wrinkles" and it takes a while for them to learn "CHURCH SPEAK"
so.... they MIGHT, at first, use words like Tony Campolo uses, and might SHOCK their dear church brothers and sisters...
I THINK most of the other posts have been about a DIFFERENT kind of "unsaintly"... I may be wrong though
I wholeheartedly agree - you will be affected by your background and culture as well.
While God is Holy - holiness (I believe) the process looks different from person to person and therefore, "angry prayers" will look different from person to person. Jesus never wanted cookie cutter followers - he wants "true" followers.
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