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armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 7:18:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: themaestro

I will reverse and ask you where does it displease God and what verse supports it?
So I suppose this means you don't have an answer?
That's all I wanted to know. Thanks.


P.S. Don't turn questions around simply because you don't have an answer. If you don't have one, I won't gloat.



themaestro -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 7:23:12 PM)

I already answered. God would rather we be hot or cold not lukewarm(placid, milquetoast, neutered) Christians. Now I will ask you again where does it say that Christians have to be wimpy, limp wristed wet noodles?



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 7:26:23 PM)

There's a problem with that answer. God would rather us to be hot or cold, but yelling and cussing does not make us hot or cold. Love of Jesus does that. So please help me out here. I'm not trying to argue, but to understand your position.

I love my Savior intently, and it is that love that moves me to speak to Him reverently, even when I'm having a bad day. Bear in mind that I am very well acquainted with bad days. I was out of work for over two years when I got out of the US Army, and now I'm out of work again. That's stressful. And God knows I'm stressed. But I don't use that as an excuse to forget that He is God and I am not.



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 7:28:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: themaestro

Now I will ask you again where does it say that Christians have to be wimpy, limp wristed wet noodles?
You edited.
I never said that Christians have to be wimpy, limp wristed wet noodles. Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." Meekness is not weakness at all. It is strength under control. Yelling, cussing, etc. at God in prayers does not show strength under control.



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 7:40:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: themaestro

I will reverse and ask you where does it displease God and what verse supports it?
My apologies for this taking so long. James 3:10 explains my position perfectly.

"Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be."

Now that was the KJV, and I know some people don't like the KJV, so I went a little further and found that same verse in the NIV.

"Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be."

I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Regardless of the translation or how someone would want to turn things around, blessings and cursings going out of the same source is NOT what God had in mind.



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 8:43:15 PM)

we use the word cursing the same as the word cussing but that is not what that verse is talking about it's about curse vs blessing. curse as in malediction.

we are not to be horrid to our brothers and then bless God.



lightshineon -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 9:42:12 PM)

NO, I never have, there is a healthy fear of God.



GradySizemorefan24 -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:27:33 PM)

Actually I prayed this way today....I flat out said "God, I'm angry with you, I thought you were going to come through, what happened????!!!" And you know what, He doesn't condemm us for being honest with Him, God wants to know every part of us, even the not so pretty things and like Ben said there is no point in trying to be holy in front of the Holy of Holies, He sees right through us anyway. Jesus wants us to talk to Him and let Him know what we feel even though He already knows, He still wants to hear it from us.



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:31:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GradySizemorefan24

Actually I prayed this way today....I flat out said "God, I'm angry with you, I thought you were going to come through, what happened????!!!" And you know what, He doesn't condemm us for being honest with Him, God wants to know every part of us, even the not so pretty things and like Ben said there is no point in trying to be holy in front of the Holy of Holies, He sees right through us anyway. Jesus wants us to talk to Him and let Him know what we feel even though He already knows, He still wants to hear it from us.
Now this I can get behind. To take that a little further... "God I'm so ticked off at You! You just make me so *expletive* mad!" etc. etc. You said the exact same thing, but you kept that reverence. Excellent, and a great example!



Kath -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:34:26 PM)

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Little lady ...


Really? Do you always take an attitude with people in a discussion?


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Why does the modern church have to act like they are on prozac to be considered proper Christians?

No one says they do, in fact you are the one who brought that phrase into this discussion.



GradySizemorefan24 -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:36:04 PM)

Thanks, and at the end of my ranting and anger, God showed me, hey I am God and I am coming through for you, just not in the way you expected, not the way you wanted, but the way I've chosen for you is best it will save you from heartache in this situation. And for that I'm thankful!



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:37:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GradySizemorefan24

Thanks, and at the end of my ranting and anger, God showed me, hey I am God and I am coming through for you, just not in the way you expected, not the way you wanted, but the way I've chosen for you is best it will save you from heartache in this situation. And for that I'm thankful!
So would you say He approves of your ranting and raving, or would you say that He just forgives it because He loves us in spite of ourselves?



themaestro -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:43:01 PM)

Matthew 15:8 These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mark 7:6 .... This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me


these two verses indicate God would rather have our heartfelt cries than empty polite words.



phosadaud -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:45:54 PM)

Personally, I don't understand why some grown adults can't express anger, disappointment, fear, etc without screaming, yelling and cursing...

Anger does not necessitate being out of control.



themaestro -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:47:14 PM)

Here is an interesting blog right here on crosswalk.

http://kmc.crosswalk.com/blogs/PCoughlin/11530152/



themaestro -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:48:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: phosadaud

Personally, I don't understand why some grown adults can't express anger, disappointment, fear, etc without screaming, yelling and cursing...

Anger does not necessitate being out of control.



Who said these prayer are not out of control? Even if they are God will not wilt.



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:49:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: themaestro

Matthew 15:8 These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mark 7:6 .... This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me


these two verses indicate God would rather have our heartfelt cries than empty polite words.
No they don't.

They indicate that God wants honesty. Heartfelt cries fall under honesty, but going too far is going too far.


And Phosy, we're in agreement there.



themaestro -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:54:32 PM)

Army I still need your verses that support monotone quiet prayers only.



phosadaud -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:55:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: themaestro

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ORIGINAL: phosadaud

Personally, I don't understand why some grown adults can't express anger, disappointment, fear, etc without screaming, yelling and cursing...

Anger does not necessitate being out of control.



Who said these prayer are not out of control? Even if they are God will not wilt.


God won't wilt if you go on a killing spree either, but that doesn't mean He's up there cheering for you and saying go for it. And I have yet to meet anyone who yells and curses who was "in control". And I've been around a lot of that.

God wants to hear your heart, but He's not deaf and He doesn't need 4 letter words to understand you heart. Read so many of David's psalms. He poured out his heart to God - the good, the bad and the ugly. And watch where it ends. It doesn't end with David saying: "Man! That felt good to get off my chest. I feel better now." No. It ends being about God and how great God is. Ask yourself why.



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:55:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: themaestro

Army I still need your verses that support monotone quiet prayers only.
I'd be glad to provide them if you can point out where I advocated monotone anything.
If you can't stop putting words into my posts, I'm going to have to ignore you.



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 10:59:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: phosadaud

God won't wilt if you go on a killing spree either, but that doesn't mean He's up there cheering for you and saying go for it. And I have yet to meet anyone who yells and curses who was "in control". And I've been around a lot of that.
As have I. And considering one of the fruits of the spirit is "self control", I think there's another bit of scriptural proof (it's in Galatians) that losing control in your prayers is bad.
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God wants to hear your heart, but He's not deaf and He doesn't need 4 letter words to understand you heart. Read so many of David's psalms. He poured out his heart to God - the good, the bad and the ugly. And watch where it ends. It doesn't end with David saying: "Man! That felt good to get off my chest. I feel better now." No. It ends being about God and how great God is. Ask yourself why.
Well said! I wish I could give stars for this part.



themaestro -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 11:02:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: phosadaud

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ORIGINAL: themaestro

quote:

ORIGINAL: phosadaud

Personally, I don't understand why some grown adults can't express anger, disappointment, fear, etc without screaming, yelling and cursing...

Anger does not necessitate being out of control.



Who said these prayer are not out of control? Even if they are God will not wilt.


God won't wilt if you go on a killing spree either, but that doesn't mean He's up there cheering for you and saying go for it. And I have yet to meet anyone who yells and curses who was "in control". And I've been around a lot of that.

God wants to hear your heart, but He's not deaf and He doesn't need 4 letter words to understand you heart. Read so many of David's psalms. He poured out his heart to God - the good, the bad and the ugly. And watch where it ends. It doesn't end with David saying: "Man! That felt good to get off my chest. I feel better now." No. It ends being about God and how great God is. Ask yourself why.



One time I use one or two choice words and now everyone thinks I recommend using them in every prayer. I have scoured this site for days as a lurker and I came across numerous posts that say there is no prohibition on profanity. You guys here think one or two every few yrs will kill the soul. I am thoroughly confused.



armydude -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 11:05:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: themaestro

One time I use one or two choice words and now everyone thinks I recommend using them in every prayer. I have scoured this site for days as a lurker and I came across numerous posts that say there is no prohibition on profanity. You guys here think one or two every few yrs will kill the soul. I am thoroughly confused.
Not so sure about it killing the soul. I don't believe so. But I do believe it's very important to approach my Creator, Heavenly Father, King of Kings, etc. with reverence. After all, He could very well say, "I AM, and you were."

Would He? No. He loves me. It is that love that makes me want to give Him my best.



Cloak -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 11:14:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way

I've had some perhaps, "unsaintly" prayers.

I consider them to be honest prayers. If I can't vent my earthly frustrations to the Big Guy, who can I vent to?

My prayers will always end with me remembering and saying something like "But God, I know you are in control, and I will remain faithful and trust in you. Your will be done in my life." or something along those lines.

I guess I just figure there's no use trying to pretend to be holy in front of the Holy of Holies, so I come to Him just as I am. . . a broken mess.



Great response, bless you Ben!!![;)]



themaestro -> RE: Not so saintly prayers to God? Anyone? (4/20/2008 11:19:10 PM)

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But I do believe it's very important to approach my Creator, Heavenly Father, King of Kings, etc. with reverence.



And I do 95 percent of the time. I agree with the last post 100%



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