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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 1:49:28 PM
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.Pammy
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if you've already paid the price for your position and there are others that are able to do that then it will frustrate a seasoned leader.
funny_girl,
I've been following this thread. I'm sorry I'm so thick, but can you help me understand this statement you made? Thanks.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:05:27 PM
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if you've already paid the price for your position and there are others that are able to do that then it will frustrate a seasoned leader
if you (the collective you, not you personally) feel that you are too good to hand out a program, or do something behind the scenes that you won't get recognized for, then you are not a seasoned leader.
a leader is to be a follower first and foremost. i'm not saying that you have to do the job of a janitor, or the job of someone else...i'm saying that when the opportunity arises, you are to be a servant. if you are only interested in singing in front of people, you are not a good leader. you are a show off. (again, not you personally, but the collective you)
i am a worship leader, but what people see on stage is only a part of the story. there are many behind the scenes things that i do that nobody sees, and that i don't get credit for....and i don't want credit for them. they are things that need to be done, and i am capable of doing them, so i do.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:06:30 PM
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lil_gringa
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Paying the price for the promotion that God has given to you. God watches us and if we pass our tests He'll promote us. Not saying that we aren't kind to others but if I'm responsible to arrange the music, rehearsals, and have the responsibility of leading the fellowship into His presence. Don't you think that's enough? Do I need to run the elevator too? Can't others have responsibility too? I see the goal is to keep people humble, but it comes from character in our heart not chores. It could, it just depends on the individual and where they are at.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:08:18 PM
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It's not a matter of "promoted". All teams were supposed to be on an even footing, and it just hasn't come out that way,
Could you please expand on this; Does not quality of ministry (music) come into play.
Where does this idea of "Equality" come from.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:08:55 PM
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elastic
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God watches us and if we pass our tests He'll promote us.
i'm not sure what bible you are reading, but this isn't in my bible anywhere.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:10:00 PM
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lil_gringa
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If I was asked to sing at an event right now and when I arrived was expected to clean my bathroom, I'd be discouraged. I'd prefer to spend my time before the event in prayerful consideration of what God would have me to say to the people. Warm up my voice and rehearse the music or just rest. There is so much energy given in a service that it's exhausting. Sometimes things come up and we need to not look down our nose at a chore but it would be a distraction.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:11:34 PM
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lil_gringa
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hmm, I guess you've never read the story of Joseph, the Israelites, Saul and David.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:14:52 PM
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i don't think you are even reading half of the posts..you are taking something away that we are not saying.
i don't know why you are so obsessed with cleaning bathrooms. i never once mentioned that.
what i said was, on the sunday that i am NOT singing, I am doing other things...someone else is singing, and i am serving in different ways.
before sunday there is prep, on sunday there is singing, on sundays where there is no singing, there is service. i am not too good to clean a bathroom if it really needs to be cleaned and there is no one else to do it.
there is no such thing as "doing enough" so that you don't have to do anything else in the kingdom of God. i don't want to follow the kind of leader who thinks they don't ever have to serve anyone else because they are too busy being the star.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:21:02 PM
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lil_gringa
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I was just using the bathroom as an example.
I think it's great that your team is helping in all these areas, not just the worship team. When there aren't a lot of people everyone has to do more work. When a ministry grows, others can help carry the load and the ministries begin to focus on certain areas. I'm constantly after my husband to release others so he doesn't do so much. The job of a pastor is to raise up others for the work of the ministry so he can focus on prayer and study.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:25:32 PM
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I also think it's important to be approachable. Having your team greet is awesome! I can't tell you how many times I've witnessed someone come to Jesus and was so glad I touched their shoulder passing by after stepping down from the platform after worship or greeted them before the service.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:26:34 PM
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the job of every leader is to raise up other leaders so they can focus on other things. pastor, music team, drama, whatever it is.....nobody should ever take the position thinking that "this is it, the buck stops here", there will never be another like me. (not saying you are this way, but just giving out a fact)
our church has probably 1,500+ people in it, and we are all servants of each other. there is no such thing as "well, the church has grown, so i don't have to pass out programs any more"...it doesn't exist. i am on a schedule to whatever needs to be done. one sunday i lead, one sunday i serve, whatever it is...and because i am a leader, i am among the first to be called on to serve when the need arises.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:52:32 PM
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lil_gringa
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The serving never stops. My point was that it's individual. I wouldn't ask Billy Graham to speak at my church and also ask him to pass out bulletins. LOL you know what I mean???? There does come a point where you've served others and others serve you. You reap what you sow. If you honor and respect others in time and in turn others will honor and respect you.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 2:54:13 PM
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I guess I couldn't imagine asking a seasoned, someone who's paid the price, to do some of the things I would expect from a 1st year student. Does that make sense? Yes, I understand that we have to be examples.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 3:01:15 PM
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It's more than being an example--it's the very heart of leadership to serve.
Matthew 20:25-28
But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave--just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 3:05:53 PM
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lil_gringa
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When you learn to pour yourself into preparing worship, as the leader, you are serving in so many areas. You have to maintain equipment, set the platform up to accommodate the team. You're planning ahead looking for music, perhaps writing, producing and it's a full time job in itself. You are pastoring your team, pulling the best out of them. Integrating new people. Keeping them focused on the goal, primarily giving their best as an offering to the Lord. Constantly teaching, constantly encouraging. Constantly praying for complete dependence on God. Please hear my heart here. I'm not just talking about someone showing up and singing. That is someone who thinks they are a 'star'.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 3:28:58 PM
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It is sad our churches have come to a grading system to our music groups. As be in music for over 30 years I understand BUT we are called to do it for the gorly to God If I was The pastor and knew of this discord in the groups I would hope he would disband them and start over in a later time It is true people may be upset but What is worse to cause people tp sin with envy or be hurt because they are not GOOD enought. Maybe go back to only one group and let evety one that will commit to practrue be in it all for the Glory of singing to God. This is the reason many have left church over the Peer pressers of beeing like or better at somthing!
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 3:30:16 PM
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lil_gringa
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Who washed Jesus' feet with her tears and dried them with her hair? You're missing my point. I'm sorry, I thought I made it clear.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 3:48:41 PM
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The serving never stops. My point was that it's individual. I wouldn't ask Billy Graham to speak at my church and also ask him to pass out bulletins.
I think you're missing the point, going off on tangents here. What is being said is that if you're part of the worship team and you refuse to do what is required on the worship team (ie say it's your turn to pick decide the selection) but all you want to do is be on stage and be up front then maybe it's not the place to be. If Billy Graham was in a church that required the speaker to handout programs and he didn't want to because he had other things to do then preaching at that particular church isn't what he needs to be doing.
Often times in worship ministry the worship minister worships the attention rather than God. They have placed an idol there and some may not kow it. They may need to step back and get in check with the Lord.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 3:52:39 PM
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lil_gringa
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I think the OP has a lot of potential! The leadership needs to step in but if they have enough people to pool together 3 teams, that's awesome!
Think about it this way. A growing church always has new people coming in and they have to be integrated. Sometimes you get a person that is seasoned and they get promoted right away causing jealousy in those who are less mature and haven't paid the price or don't have the same ability. I've dwelt with this and will continue to have to deal with it. It's really hard. But a good leader will help those who are less mature to come to an understanding.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 3:54:31 PM
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lil_gringa
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Also, there are different levels of ability. When you work with a group it's like a beautiful painting of a garden. One flower alone may not be that impressive. OR one blade of grass isn't that impressive, but put the garden together and it's a beautiful painting. It's hard to be the one that isn't as good as another. We, as leaders, are responsible for helping each team member to do the best with their gift and talents. Some have more than others. We can't expect someone with one talent to be giving 10 and vis versa. That causes frustration.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 4:00:47 PM
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Attitude is the difference a lot of times.
If the leader has an attitude of "we are the winners, the cream of the church crop, and what any of you not on my team think means nothing" then that person needs to be confronted.
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RE: Worship team frustration - 4/17/2008 5:36:14 PM
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Zhi
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It's not a matter of "promoted". All teams were supposed to be on an even footing, and it just hasn't come out that way,
Could you please expand on this; Does not quality of ministry (music) does not come into play.
Where does this idea of "Equality" come from.
Thasnk
RC
I don't understand the question?
I'm also still not sure where the constant comments regarding "promoted" are coming from. The teams are not actually labelled A, B, and C. They were formed at the same time. They are supposed to be entirely interchangeable based on availability, one of the 3 teams plays each Sunday morning during service according to schedule. The problem stems from the fact that one of the teams is apparently promoting themselves (by taking the talent from other teams, giving the other teams impossible-to-schedule members or members who are functionally tone-deaf that they didn't want on their team, reshuffling the members of the other teams every round, etc) despite the fact that that's not how things are supposed to work.
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